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Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by AJ007 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:08AM (#18815612)
Does anyone else have a suspicion that Google is about to completely screw this up?
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ikeboy on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:20AM (#18815690)
has a vision of a world where mobile OSes look like their messaging app portfolio

Prepare for 5 different Google OSes all of which support a slightly different featureset

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by mey on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:37AM (#18815850)
ChromeOS, Android, Fuchsia. You aren't far off. Hell Apple and Microsoft have less Operating Systems and it's their businesses (but that may just prove the point)
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by xg15 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:49AM (#18815953)
I wonder if Fuchsia will really become a consumer brand though. If I understood it right, the original motivation was a desire to get rid of the Linux/GNU heritage in Android.

If that is the case I could imagine that Fuchsia might not become a separate "product" for consumers at all - instead, Google could replace Android's implementation "under the hood" with it but still present it as just another Android version brand/UI wise.

If they managed to do the same with Chrome OS, the'd actually have archieved consolidation on a technical level without causing consumer confusion. (Well, more than there already is)

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by steelframe on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:04AM (#18816097)
Google still needs to replace literally millions of LoC in the Linux kernel from hardware vendors like Qualcomm before they can actually ship a real functional phone.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by xg15 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:35PM (#18817725)
Weren't they working on a sort of unified "hardware abstraction layer" for Android anyways? - Which would put all the vendor-specific code "below" the kernel and would allow them to reuse the same OS image on different devices.

In that case, the Fuchsia kernel could just be another "client" to that layer.

(just speculating here, no idea if that is in any way what they're planning)

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by mda on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:26AM (#18816291)
If they limit their hardware choices (like Apple) it is actually not -that- difficult.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by Bombthecat on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:33PM (#18817016)
Wasn't there a rumor that Google wants to build there own CPU?
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by Redoubts on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:07PM (#18817401)
It would be surprising if Fuchsia followed linux by not having a stable ABI for drivers. Setting up a stable interface would make it easier for Google to label that "not my problem."
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:43PM (#18818495)
Android has a stable ABI for drivers since Treble, which kind of forced Linux into a pseudo-microkernel architecture, allowing for user space drivers written in either Java or C++, communicating over the HIDL messages/shared mem.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by izacus on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:28PM (#18818345)
Why would they? Since 8.0, Android is fully separate from Linux kernel through its so-called Treble layer (see https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/05/here-comes... ) and doesn't really need Linux or POSIX sematics for its functionality.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:40PM (#18818474)
Since Treble's adoption was rather low, given that it was optional when updating from Android 7, one of the decisions on Android 9 was to make it even more independent with the introduction of Generic System Image.

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2018/11/an-update-...

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by izacus on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:55PM (#18819193)
What do you mean by low adoption? Every device launching with 8 has to support it.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:20PM (#18819400)
About 12% worldwide adoption, about when Android 9 got released.

OEMs got around Treble certification by releasing mostly devices with Android 7 on them.

And given that OEMs were the ones supposed to push Treble updates not Google, even those that released devices with 8 weren't that active pushing them.

Which has finally made Google include some update requirements on the Play Services access.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by derefr on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:56PM (#18817263)
Maybe Fuchsia uses a lobotomized Linux kernel, together with such firmware blobs, as a (likely sandboxed) monolithic multi-driver?
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pkaye on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:29PM (#18818355)
The code for the Fuchsia kernel is available. It doesn't seem derived from Linux.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pm90 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:33PM (#18817701)
How hard is it to rewrite drivers? Or is the problem that companies do not write others write these drivers?
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by simcop2387 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:05PM (#18818102)
Pretty hard, not only is it nearly impossible to get documentation for some of the hardware, even if you get it it'll usually be under some kind of NDA which means you can publish the driver. Then there's all kinds of errata and hardware quirks that aren't going to be in the documentation (maybe in future updates to the documentation) it ends up a full time job for multiple people to maintain just a single driver for a few products.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by hermitdev on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:19PM (#18818896)
> it'll usually be under some kind of NDA which means you can publish the driver.

Did you mean cannot publish?

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by simcop2387 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @06:43PM (#18820537)
Yep, missed that when reviewing the comment and it's now too late to edit.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by hermitdev on Thursday January 03, 2019 @08:35PM (#18821242)
No worries. Seemed like that's what you meant, but just wanted to clarify.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by newnewpdro on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:31PM (#18818997)
> get rid of the Linux/GNU heritage in Android

What GNU heritage? Android has only ever used the Linux kernel to get a leg up on hardware support in the early days. AFAIK there has never been any GNU userspace of any sort in anything Android related, much to the chagrin of the Linux community.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Friday January 04, 2019 @02:01AM (#18822455)
Many never read beyond the headlines.

The NDK is constrained in what it can do, as per security concerns.

There is termux as port of GNU on Android, but only applications that rely on plain ISO C, ISO C++ can be ported.

Syscalls support is hit and miss per devices, as it isn't part of official NDKs APIs.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by neolefty on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:45PM (#18819605)
I gathered (from the outside — no inside knowledge) it was two big things:

* A response to Java lawsuits

* Something to work on that is interesting

But you raise a good point — why let go of Linux? Seems like a risky case of rewrite-from-scratch.

What are the odds it works out? It's not a sure thing. And what would the benefits be?

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Friday January 04, 2019 @01:56AM (#18822440)
MIT license and microkernel design.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by derefr on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:54PM (#18817232)
My understanding is that the point of Fuchsia is to be a base for a new version of ChromeOS that also obviates Android. I'd compare it to the move Microsoft made with Windows XP to merge the NT and 9x lineages. Fuchsia is NT, "ChromeOS on Fuchsia" is XP, and Android is 9x.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by golfer on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:54AM (#18816592)
You're kidding right? Microsoft comes out with a new OS practically every other year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_operating_sy...

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by mey on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:26PM (#18816938)
Currently everything is based on Windows Core or has been discontinued. Xbox One has moved to Windows 10/Core, was previously based on top of Windows 8. Windows Mobile has been discontinued, and even had migrated to a Windows NT kernel before it was discontinued. ( https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-windows-phone-8-fin... ) Not sure the status of Windows CE from an official support perspective (their life-cycle page isn't working for it) but their documentation lists as disconnected as of 2014.

I also don't believe any of their experimental OS projects are still active. ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/group/operating-sys... )

At the end of all that, you can argue that there are two operating systems at Microsoft currently. Xbox One and Windows 10. The UI of the XBox is a sufficiently large enough gap in design/functionality that I would concede it to be a separate entity.

Edit: There was a concerted effort at MS to get on to a single OS around the Windows 8/Mobile days. This was also the death of CE and switch to Windows 8 between XBox 360 and XBox one. Granted the backlash of the tablet style interface of Windows 8 was not insignificant, but you see it's refinement in Windows 10 today.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ianai on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:04PM (#18817347)
I think of it as Microsoft’s OSes differentiate by features aka marketing weasels. They’re essentially the same OS otherwise. MS markets this as backwards compatibility at times as well. I think that’s a good feature that Google doesn't appear to be making a priority.

Having said all of that, I’m sick of googles abandoning of products. I loved my 2013 Pixel 7. They essentially sell goods and services only to ignore them when it suits them.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ggggtez on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:31PM (#18816992)
Well, if you include Windows 95/98/NT/ME/2000/... But I think it's a valid point. Windows 10's main contribution is an attempt to provide auto-updating operating system to reduce version skew. I have a lot of hope that windows 10 actually does have a long lifespan. Crossing my fingers Android can do the same one day.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by naasking on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:58PM (#18818657)
> ChromeOS, Android, Fuchsia. You aren't far off.

Add Android TV, which has some features and restrictions that differ from Android.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by e12e on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:03PM (#18818717)
Don't forget the different Android distributions; Android TV, Android wear(?) etc.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by Kudos on Thursday January 03, 2019 @05:01PM (#18819739)
Don't forget the different Windows distributions then I guess? Windows RT, Windows IoT, Xbox OS, Azure Sphere.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by vidarh on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:43AM (#18815896)
And then we get to play Google roulette: Which OS will be discontinued this year.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by wlesieutre on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:20AM (#18816221)
Android as a standalone product gets replaced by Chrome OS on phones, but it sticks around as a runtime inside that. Fuchsia isn't ready for prime time, but we'll add those later!

Google's phone lineup for 2022:

    - Chrome with Android
    - Chrome with Android One
    - Chrome Android Pixel
    - Fuchsia with Android
    - Fuchsia Silver with Android
    - Fuchsia Android Nexus
    - Fuchsia Android Pixel
You heard it here first.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by derefr on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:58PM (#18817276)
My real question isn't so much what Google itself will be shipping on their hardware, but what all the other phone manufacturers that are currently using Android, are going to be shipping on their phones in ten years.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ToFab123 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:40PM (#18822003)
Maybe a Microsoft Open Source platform that support Windows, Linux and Android Apps and an doesn't need Google Play Services?
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by marcosdumay on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:54PM (#18819682)
Android.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by neolefty on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:47PM (#18819628)
I thought it was the other way around — Chrome OS was absorbed into Android.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:54AM (#18815997)
This already happend before with Brillo.

It was going to be Android native userspace plus a subset of the Android frameworks redone in C++.

Then suddenly, due to customer feedback as the main official reason, it got rebooted as Android Things, supporting even writing userspace drivers in Java.

Then ChromeOS got to add Android support.

I guess it is kind of clear which group is winning the internal political wars.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by solarkraft on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:09AM (#18816128)
Android is a pretty huge brand they invested a lot into. Makes sense, I guess (even though Android for me mostly means buggy and slow).
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by AJ007 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:48PM (#18817894)
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by jayd16 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:47PM (#18817149)
Whats to screw up? They haven't really promised anything, or announced Fuchsia in a consumer facing way. Some tech people seem hyped about Fuchsia but I still get the feeling its mostly an experiment that Google will roll back into Android or ChromeOS.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by AJ007 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:50PM (#18817920)
Android is what could get screwed up. ChromeOS could too, but it isn’t as important. Relevant hint: https://9to5google.com/2018/10/11/the-dirty-word-android-dea...
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by giancarlostoro on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:11AM (#18815636)
If they do I really hope the Surface Phone comes out or something. I don't want to be forced to iOS, but I wouldn't be too mad if I had it.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjc50 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:44AM (#18815899)
Windows Phone used to be a thing. Quite a good base UI but a shortage of apps, because it couldn't run Android apps.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by giancarlostoro on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:55AM (#18816602)
It wasn't the lack of apps that held me from buying one, it was that they never advertised one or had enough Windows Phones available on my carrier with good battery life. I'm sure they had amazing battery life but they didn't advertise it well enough if they did.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:07PM (#18817399)
I still use my Lumia 650 as 2nd phone.

It runs the apps I care about, and keeps getting OS updates, unlike my Android devices.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ianai on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:16PM (#18817496)
What a weird stage we’re in currently. The continued effort by the parent company to maintain basic updates and patch security holes in a delivered product is a differentiating feature. We’re literally considering whether a company is going to ghost it’s cumstomers as an optional thing.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ocdtrekkie on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:47AM (#18815930)
I still have a Windows Phone at home that can sideload Android apps. Was pretty awesome. Android apps seemed slow in comparison to UWP apps, but ran more or less as well as they ran on Androids.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by Zigurd on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:37AM (#18815855)
You can already experience non-Andorid Android in the form of a Pixel Slate.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by enos_feedler on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:53PM (#18817220)
Including the pixelbook and many other ChromeOS devices
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by jbigelow76 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:04AM (#18816098)
I don't know about screw it up, but I am wondering what is the upside in adopting this new OS in lieu of Android for all phone makers not named Apple?
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by untog on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:15AM (#18816179)
Google will just make it a requirement in order to provide the Play Store and other Google apps on your device. Then most will be forced to follow along.

I could see it being the straw that finally breaks the camel's back for Samsung, though. They have their own assistant, web browser... they could just choose to go it alone.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by max76 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:31PM (#18816986)
This sounds like a cost to phone manufacturers, not a benefit.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by toast0 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:26PM (#18817615)
At this point manufacturers don't have a lot of choices. To a reasonable approximation, the options are Android with google's blessing, android without play store, beg microsoft for windows mobile 10?, KaiOS, Tizen?, don't make phones.

About the only one that will sell the final product in the US is Android with Google's blessing.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by max76 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:13PM (#18818191)
Correct, Google has all the leverage to dictate what non-Apple smartphone manufacturers sell. Moving to Fuchsia would be expensive for everybody involved. Google is developing a new OS. Chip manufacturers will have to write new driver code. Cell manufacturers will have to integrate a new system. Everyone loses the work they put into the Android Open Source Project and their private branches of ASOP.

With all this cost, who's getting the upside? Google is clearly getting the lion's share.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by Redoubts on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:13PM (#18817461)
If there's an ABI for drivers, then all phones can promise (more) OS updates with less work.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Friday January 04, 2019 @02:03AM (#18822462)
Treble is an ABI for drivers. OEMs have hardly changed their behavior.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by obmelvin on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:08AM (#18816120)
Theoretically you could replace the AI layer (Topaz? IDR) with your own assistant (e.g., Samsung could integrate Bixby into the OS)

I should note that I have only glanced at what implementation details are public and it is entirely possible that this is not feasible

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by 4ad on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:50AM (#18815964)
In what way?
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by tree_of_item on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:34PM (#18817710)
I'm really baffled by this question. Screw what up? Fuchsia is not a product; some people at Google are working on a project and it's gotten a bit of attention. I'm just confused as to the level of entitlement that would presume there is something here to "screw up".
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by zymhan on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:36PM (#18817741)
You're being willfully naive if you think that Google wouldn't take an internal project, productize it, and then proceed to screw up said product.

This is literally the past 15 years of Google.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by tree_of_item on Thursday January 03, 2019 @03:52PM (#18819170)
I'm not sure what your point is though. Yes, Google could take an internal project, turn it in to a product, and then "proceed to screw up said product"...over the course of, what, 5, 10 years? What is the point of speculating about something so far off with no data? They could also turn it in to a product and then not "screw it up".

What am I being naive about? Do all of the wildly successful Google products not count here?

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by Jyaif on Thursday January 03, 2019 @01:57PM (#18818005)
> This is literally the past 15 years of Google.

Other than for Gmail/Chrome[OS]/Android/Photos/Youtube/Music/Maps, I totally agree.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by MentallyRetired on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:33AM (#18815813)
My first thought is "Requires a paid google account to work between devices!".
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by karmakaze on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:25AM (#18816269)
fuchs-ya
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by burtonator on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:06PM (#18816706)
Man. I came here to post the same thing.

Google has been screwing up EVERYTHING lately. Every recent Google product launch that I can think of has been botched. They're REALLY checked out over there.

Serious question. What's the last major successful Google project that was built within Google and not acquired?

I can't think of one.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by modwilliam on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:22PM (#18816887)
Google Photos

Edit: Also Google Home devices, especially the Mini

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by mtgx on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:37PM (#18817053)
Ironically, I think Photos was a product of Vic Gundotra, which Google higher-ups gave the boot because he failed in social (as if anyone else would have succeeded in beating Facebook - he gave it a good shot anyway). Google wasn't even savvy enough about social to know to buy Instagram.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by leoc on Thursday January 03, 2019 @08:57PM (#18821357)
Others might at least have failed in a way that was less damaging to Google's reputation.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by neolefty on Thursday January 03, 2019 @04:52PM (#18819670)
GMail — still the anti-social network that I both rely on and ignore every day.

No friend discovery, funded by ads, people mostly ignore emails I send them, but everyone has it and depend on it being rock solid. It's like air.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by joshuamorton on Thursday January 03, 2019 @12:28PM (#18816957)
How do you define "major"? How do you define "product"?

If my "major" you mean "more than 100MM users", it's been a while, but then what was the last (new) product launch by any established company that has 100MM users? If you drop that to a smaller number, there are tons though.

If by product you mean "consumer product", again, perhaps a while, but I'd argue that there are tons in the business space. (ML, cloud, etc.)

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ocdtrekkie on Thursday January 03, 2019 @10:46AM (#18815920)
Yes, though Google likely views it as a chance to do-over their mistakes with Android such as allowing OEM and carrier control of things like updates and customizations, building on top of copyleft code (which requires a lot of code to be open sourced they and their OEMs would rather not) and code they stole from Oracle (which has caused them years of legal nonsense), etc.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by Someone1234 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:06AM (#18816107)
> code they stole from Oracle (which has caused them years of legal nonsense)

Oracle wasn't accusing Google of using "stolen" code in Android. They were claiming that Google's complete re-implementation of Oracle's Java APIs was a copyright violation.

The case itself will have long lasting impacts since it has established in US law that API interfaces themselves are a copyright/protected concept. That means that even complete clean room re-implementations or compatibility layers could be threatened.

The ruling is quite problematic, but there's nobody technically literate enough in congress or the courts to do anything to stop it.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by curt15 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @02:04PM (#18818089)
>it has established in US law that API interfaces themselves are a copyright/protected concept

Only in the Federal Circuit, which adjudicates cases involving patent law. Copyright cases are typically decided by the other courts of appeal, and there is precedent in those courts (like Lotus v Borland) against the copyrightability of interfaces.

Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by ocdtrekkie on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:10AM (#18816139)
It's pretty off-topic to pick a fight about this here, the point that I've made, that their fight with Oracle could've best been avoided, stands reasonable regardless of your opinion on the details of the case.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by max76 on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:18AM (#18816194)
I think Google legitimately believed nothing was wrong with their implementation of Java and that implementing a language with so many developers was a smart move.
Re:Google’s Fuchsia OS Confirmed to Have Android App Support... by pjmlp on Thursday January 03, 2019 @11:29AM (#18816309)
Gosling stated otherwise on his interviews, and Rubin emails also prove they were trying to do something fishy.

As it stands, Android has pulled a J++ and is a pain for any Java library writer, that now is forced to either write two versions or keep using a common subset.