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Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by koolba on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:47AM (#18336951)
Summarizing a bit:

* Starting price of $1,199

* 13" display with trimmed bezels

* 2.75 lbs

* Higher resolution screen ("Over 4M pixels")

* HD front facing camera

* No Touch Bar (Yay!)

* No USB ports (Boo!)

Assuming it doesn't have any odd dust or logic board issues cropping up in the next couple months, I can see myself getting one of these.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by ihuman on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:53AM (#18337009)
> No USB ports

No USB-A ports. There are still 2 USB ports, but they are Thunderbolt 3/USB-C ports.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by atlasunshrugged on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:53AM (#18337020)
Gah, just what I need, another adapter. I guess in this day and age pretty much everything is in the cloud but still, I like having at least one USB port. A little surprised they kept the mic jack
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by reustle on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:06AM (#18337191)
My phone, Sony camera, battery bank, and now laptop are all usb-c. I welcome this with open arms.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by falcolas on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:35AM (#18337606)
In contrast - my USB hubs, external USB drives, and CD reader are all USB A. My phone is Lightning. My spare chargers are two flavors of magsafe.

The cords I've begun to accumulate to work with a USB C computer have varying capabilities, to the point where I can't safely interchange them for fear of blowing past their tolerances accidentally.

I'm not so keen on this change.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by zaroth on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:58PM (#18338758)
If your drive enclosures are USB A you’re leaving massive throughout on the table and wasting your time for what would be a $30 part on Amazon.

The new “spare charger” is a 10kmAh battery pack which will have USB-C and some double as a way to jump start your car (assuming you still drive ICE). It’s also a worthwhile upgrade and much more useful than something that has you hunting for outlets at the airport, or god forbid, under your seat on a plane!

But a C D Reader? What is that? Is that like the radio that truckers used to use to talk to each other in the road?

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by drewmol on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:38PM (#18339270)
>But a C D Reader? What is that? Is that like the radio that truckers used to use to talk to each other in the road?

Yes, like that in terms of: expect decades for complete migration as all benificial use cases for them have not yet been superceeded by technology sucessors.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:13PM (#18340331)
Is a USB-C enclosure actually faster than USB 3.1 was with the old conenctors? As far as I know you can use all the same devices and just swap out the cable on a computer that wants a USB-C connector.

On the device end (for hard drives and hubs) you'd generally have a type-B connector (don't think I've ever seen one with USB-A, but I haven't had that many external drives). Type-B got got a bulkier version for superspeed, it looks silly but for something that lives at your desk, who cares?

https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+3+type+b&tbm=isch

If you get a new computer with USB-C, you can replace a single cable with USB-C to USB-B to keep using the same hub and the same USB-A devices plugged into it at the same speed as before:

https://www.amazon.com/TNP-USB-C-USB-B-Cable-Black/dp/B011BG...

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:27PM (#18340446)
> Is a USB-C enclosure actually faster than USB 3.1 was with the old conenctors?

As I understand it, USB-C-to-USB-C (with USB 3.2) is the only connector combination supporting Gen 2×2, 20Gb/s mode (since it leverages the pins included to support flipping the connector; it's also the only combination to support Gen 1×2, but that's the same speed as Gen 2×1, so it's unclear why you'd do that.)

USB A (w/USB 3.1+) can support Gen 2×1 (SuperSpeed+) at 10Gb/s. USB B (w/USB 3.0+), AFAIK, only supports Gen 1 (SuperSpeed) (5Gb/s).

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:58PM (#18340758)
Ah you're right. First I've heard of USB 3.2, but here's news from 2017: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11667/usb32-update

I have a USB-C drive enclosure, but looking at the specs it's only USB 3.1. Newegg doesn't even have 3.2 as an option when searching by external interface in their hard drive enclosures section. The day when you're actually losing anything by not having USB-C devices seems a ways off still.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by cbhl on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:29PM (#18338408)
> The cords I've begun to accumulate to work with a USB C computer have varying capabilities

USB-A had these problems back in 1998. It's early days for USB-C, but I think a few more hardware iterations and hopefully things will start settling down.

Right now USB-C controllers are too complex and expensive to fit in low-end devices (think $49 TV dongles).

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by notatoad on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:28PM (#18338388)
>for fear of blowing past their tolerances accidentally

this is not how USB-C works. you might end up with a cable that doesn't support high voltage, but it simply won't upgrade to a higher voltage and your device will charge slower or not at all.

I agree that it's frustrating that all USB-C cables aren't interchangeable, but to imply they're potentially unsafe is wrong. There was a bunch of out-of-spec cables on the market shortly after USB-C came into use with the nexus phones and the macbook pro, but that problem has almost entirely been solved, and is still a much smaller problem than cheap aftermarket USB-A charging bricks sold by the same sketchy vendors.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by rspeer on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:43PM (#18338589)
I got an out-of-spec USB-C cable three weeks ago.

While driving a long distance, I noticed that I had failed to bring any way to charge my phone in the car, so I bought a USB-A to USB-C cable at a rest stop convenience store.

It served its immediate purpose of not leaving me lost with a dead battery. But it doesn't charge many other devices, and it only works when plugged in with the USB logo facing down.

I don't consider the problem of fake USB-C cables solved.

(I have no idea what brand it is, and the convenience store themselves probably bought whatever the cheapest counterfeit thing on Amazon was)

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by jazzyjackson on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @07:10PM (#18342009)
yeah my nexus 5x melted thanks to a USB-C cable that I didn't strike me as off-brand or fake. So I'm skittish about USB C now. oh well.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by izacus on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:31AM (#18337528)
What, the annoyance every time you need to plug in a USB stick or a mouse you down own? Even now, after two years of USB-C macbook, it's still incredible how annoying having to look for those damn dongles is.

You do understand that you can have BOTH ports on the laptop right - see for example how Lenovo Thinkpad Carbon engineers manage to stuff usable ports on the same chasis size.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by Latteland on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:44AM (#18337772)
The google pixel 2015 was the top of the heap for ports. 2 usb-c ports, headphones!, 2 usb-a, sd card. All laptops should have this. It's just endless pain. Certainly 2 usb-c ports are better than 1. But why not put 4? Even better usb-c + usb-a.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by masklinn on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:02PM (#18338005)
> Certainly 2 usb-c ports are better than 1. But why not put 4? Even better usb-c + usb-a.

Because they're not just Type C ports, they're TB3 ports, Intel's stinginess with respect to PCIe lanes & TB3 controller integration means it's hard to put many of those in a machine especially on low-end CPUs, and I guess Apple prefers uniformising capabilities to an extent (even if performances can differ see e.g. the 13" MBP) to having multiple ports with the exact same connector but completely divergent capabilities.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by lathiat on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:38AM (#18337659)
I mean I've got 2 AT keyboards and 3 PS/2 mice in my drawer. Why can't I plug these into the latest MacBook pro? It's a travesty.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:54PM (#18338714)
I gotchu fam!

AT > PS/2 > usb A > usb C

If I were you, I'd stick all that crap inside the massive schoolbus sized AT keyboard where you can't see it. There is probably plenty of room.

Hell, go ahead an integrate a USB hub too, then you can use the keyboard itself to adapt other legacy devices to usb C.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by tinus_hn on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @03:59PM (#18348798)
You can’t use a ps/2 keyboard using an adapter on the Mac, it doesn’t work. I’ve tried.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dwighttk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:36PM (#18339968)
why didn't they include an ADB port?
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:02PM (#18340792)
Because svideo is a terrible serial protocol.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by ummonk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:55AM (#18337939)
It's getting better every year, as peripherals and other devices switch over to USB-C. Apple's imposition of USB-C as the one cable has been very frustrating, but we're starting to see the fruits of it.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by notatoad on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:21PM (#18338273)
if apple were truly imposing USB-C as the "one cable" it would be less frustrating. it's crazy that still, three years after the macbook pro switched to all usb-c, if you go to the apple store and buy a brand new iPhone and a brand new mac, you need an aftermarket cable to connect the two.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:48PM (#18338643)
Aftermarket means it was supplied by an accessory manufacturer and not the original equipment manufacturer, generally without the OEM's blessing. It's really more of a car term than a computer term.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by gumby on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:35PM (#18338483)
No you don't -- apple sells a cable with lighting on one end and type c on the other end. I have one.

Given that the new iPad has type C I assume that's the future for iPhones as well.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by notatoad on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:37PM (#18338506)
maybe i used the wrong word, does aftermarket not mean you have to buy it separately from the actual product?
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by toyg on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:51PM (#18338670)
I think it's often used to indicate third-party products.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dwighttk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:32PM (#18339925)
>you need an aftermarket cable to connect the two.

or you can connect wirelessly.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by intopieces on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:26PM (#18339834)
>you need an aftermarket cable to connect the two.

You don't need a cable at all, because they connect over AirDrop.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by slantyyz on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:00PM (#18338797)
>> It's getting better every year, as peripherals and other devices switch over to USB-C.

Speaking for normal people, though, how often do they turn over their devices and peripherals?

When I bought my laptop over a year ago, I made sure it had USB-C/TB3 from a future-proofing perspective, but I have yet to actually buy any device that connects to it via USB-C, and I don't foresee myself buying many either. On the other hand, I still have a ton of older devices that are USB-A that I still use.

Even when it comes to USB keys, I still prefer USB-A, because it's more than likely that I'll need to connect it to a device that doesn't have USB-C.

I do have some mobile devices that charge by USB-C like my phone, but I still charge them off of USB-A power sources.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by toasterlovin on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:16PM (#18338958)
Normal people don't plug shit into their computers. Neither do I, for that matter.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by reaperducer on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:41PM (#18340009)
He's crude, but he's not wrong. 90% of the market will never use more than one USB-C port. And even then, almost exclusively for charging.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by WillPostForFood on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:27AM (#18343712)
1. power in 2. audio out
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by MR4D on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:00PM (#18339541)
I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but I wish they would have dropped the mic jack in return to a third TB3 port (so they would be accessible form either side of the computer).
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by rjplatte on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:42PM (#18340022)
God, no. The TRRS port is the last thing I want to see go.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by FiveSquared on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:07PM (#18347963)
Let's go to Reddit, 'tis a silly place.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by zapnuk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:22PM (#18338289)
To be fair I already have to carry a ethernet and a display adapter with me. Switching to an USB-C means I don't need other adapters anymore.

At least one USB-A port should be the minimum though.

Between no USB-A with Apple notebooks and no USB-C on the Surface Laptop I don't know whats worse...

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by nkkollaw on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:46AM (#18337799)
No USB ports.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by lostgame on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:41PM (#18338566)
Upvoting this because it was ridiculously down-voted, and I'm not sure why.

No, USB-C ports are not 'USB' ports. Not as 'USB' ports have been for at least a decade and a half. Almost two.

USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 managed to all use the same connector, and not charge us out the ass for adapters to use the same hardware.

If you're not pissed about USB-C, or you somehow think that having a port you can no longer plug any of your previous devices into without a costly and non-bundled adapter is equivalent to having an actual, standard USB port, you probably simply haven't had to deal with dongle life.

We have an inside joke at my work where we literally call these ports 'not-USB'.

The fact that Apple's flagship phone and flagship computer can't connect out of the box without paying for an additional cable indicates blatantly how horrible this situation is. That they had the audacity to release phones only a month ago that were still incompatible after all this time almost makes me feel that they are intentionally messing with us.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:21PM (#18339789)
> USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 managed to all use the same connector,

No, they didn't.

USB 1.0 used A and B connectors

USB 2.0 added Mini A and Mini B

USB 2.0 Revised added the Micro A and Micro B connectors

USB 3.0 modified the A and B connectors, and the Micro A and Micro B connectors, and deprecated the Mini A and Mini B connectors.

USB 3.1 added the C connector.

USB 3.2 didn't mess with connectors, for once.

(And it's even a little more complicated if you talk about sockets, because then you need to talk about the Mini and Micro AB sockets, as well as sockets corresponding directly to each of the connectors.)

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by matthewmacleod on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:28PM (#18339860)
costly and non-bundled adapter

While it’s mildly inconvenient that none are bundled, USB-C ports are passively compatible with USB-A - I can purchase a 3-pack of adaptors on Amazon for £3.59.

In practice I’ve rarely found it an inconvenience. More often the problem is having to plug into a display in a conference room or whatever, which sometimes makes me miss the HDMI port that was built in to the older MacBook Pro.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by Karunamon on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:48PM (#18338633)
It was probably ridiculously downvoted for being worthless snark that adds nothing to the conversation.

As to "costly", a USB -> USBC hub can be had for around the same price as a regular hub on Amazon, starting around $4.99 and going up from there.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by FiveSquared on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:13PM (#18348016)
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:04AM (#18337167)
And a Dual Core CPU for $1200, app compatibility aside the CPU in the new MBA might be arguably slower than the A12 bionic.

It's literally going to be the same CPU as in the current 12" Macbooks with a slightly relaxed power envelope which now begs the question why is the Macbook Air even a separate product? at this point it brings nothing to the table other than being slightly larger and slightly cheaper version of the Macbook.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by ascagnel_ on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:14AM (#18337306)
I think Apple is rethinking its product matrix.

This new MBA is the entry-level system. The 12" MB is an upgrade option if you value thin/light/battery life -- the new "executive laptop". The MBP is an upgrade option if you need power or screen space.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by eugeniub on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:33AM (#18337567)
12" MB: No touch ID, slower CPU, crappy last-gen keyboard that breaks all the time.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 0culus on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:51PM (#18338673)
Typing this from my 2017 12" MacBook...have not had a single issue with the keyboard. In fact, I have grown to quite like it. Sure it's not my beloved WASD Code with the Cherry Clears, but it's one of the better portable keyboards in terms of typing experience of late, in my opinion.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by djrogers on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:17PM (#18338966)
It’s not ‘arguably’ slower - it absolutely is. That CPU was already slower than last year’s A11 Fusion CPU, the A12X will blow it away.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by saagarjha on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:24AM (#18337428)
> It's literally going to be the same CPU as in the current 12" Macbooks with a slightly relaxed power envelope

Is it? I was under the impression that these were different chips.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by pinewurst on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:55PM (#18338727)
They are different chips in the sense of being different generations. It's interesting that the Air is a "Y" part which is the same low-power/lower performance family as the Macbook. No updates for the Macbook yet otherwise they probably would be the same.

Macbook 12" 2017 = i7-7Y75 (top spec, cheaper ones are lower clocked i3/i5 Y)

Macbook Air 2018 = i7-8510Y (617 graphics supposedly faster)

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:08PM (#18338874)
You can hardly call them different generations there is zero difference in the core, the Intel Graphics 617 is also looking to be a pure marketing BS it's the same Gen9 GT2 iGPU as the 615 (we have had benchmarks for it on gfx bench for a while now), maybe it will get a 50mhz more graphics boost clock but even that is doubtful since the results are the same as the 615.

Like it wouldn't surprise me if the whole i7-8510Y thing is literally Apple going to Intel and saying please increase the SKU of the same CPU you gave Google for the Slate so it would appear as like ours is faster on paper.

https://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=gfx50&&did1=64774...

The results are so close that they are both within the margin of error of each other and within the normal thermal/power constraints you have between two different mobile systems.

The challenge with mobile parts is that 25-30% performance delta's are not unheard of between two systems with identical parts on paper but very different thermal and power delivery solutions.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by SyneRyder on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:21PM (#18340410)
I'm not sure it's an i7-8510Y - note that the MacBook Air specs [1] say it's an i5 chip. (And you can't upgrade it to an i7 either.) I'm not sure we know what chip it actually is yet.

[1] https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-air/silver-1.6...

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by pinewurst on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:57PM (#18340751)
The i7-8510Y is the only one with the specified 617 graphics, but thanks for pointing out that difference. Maybe they have a slightly lower-spec custom i5 SKU from Intel? I'd be surprised though if it wasn't a Y-device nevertheless.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by SyneRyder on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:48PM (#18348276)
Looks like it's landed in Intel ARK now - i5-8210Y:

https://ark.intel.com/products/189912/Intel-Core-i5-8210Y-Pr...

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by pinewurst on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @05:35PM (#18349467)
Thanks for posting - that's a pretty big yawn part. The Haswell in my current old Macbook Pro (a wonderful laptop) beats that easily enough.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:41PM (#18341099)
The only thing custom in it is the naming, the GT2 is a single slice iGPU there is nothing to enable in it over the 615 which is already a full slice my bet is that if there is any difference is that the 617 has a boost clock of 1100 instead of 1050mhz or something silly like this.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:39PM (#18341086)
i5 and i7 are the same chip with HT enabled on the latter but disabled on the former.

It’s still the same Amber Lake dies which are the same as KBLY.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:02PM (#18338810)
Yes, Intel hasn't made a new CPU core for like 3 years now, this will be an Amber Lake Y CPU which are identical in function, features and performance to Kabby Lake Y.

Both are Dual Core, 4 Threads, 4MB Cache same Intel GT2 Graphics, there is literally not a single difference between them besides the SKU numbers.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/cores/amber_lake_y

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/cores/kaby_lake_y

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by mtgx on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:20AM (#18337377)
It boggles my mind that Apple hasn't switched to AMD Ryzen yet. Lower cost for them, more cores/higher overall performance for their customers. What's not to like?

But no, they'd rather try and sell people $20,000 Xeon Mac Pros with half the cores of an AMD Threadripper and like 4x the price.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:04PM (#18338832)
Raven Ridge does not offer more cores than Intel CPUs, these are 4 Core dies with an iGPU while Intel offers upto 6 and now 8 with an iGPU.

While Ryzen has good power efficiency as far as power gating goes and power management it's still behind Intel considerably which we can see in actual usability batter tests it will take probably 2 more generations until AMD has the same power management capabilities as Intel does not only for the CPU but for the entire system since Intel has been developing the centralized power management since the Centrino platform.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:59PM (#18338774)
The future is application processors. No point in switching to another general purpose CPU.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by jjcm on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:57PM (#18339500)
> HD front facing camera

It amazes me that notebook makers still advertise a 720p camera as being a feature. Are we never going to get anything more than 720p for webcams? Am I the only one who wants 4k video conferencing?

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by aylmao on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:01PM (#18340221)
Or not even 4k, I'd be good having something that matches my phone's selfie camera.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by andromeduck on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @06:09PM (#18341706)
Your phone's selfie camera is significantly thicker than the display assembly here.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by Digory on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:56AM (#18337054)
New keyboard has a "4x more stable butterfly mechanism."

I'm still limping along on a 2012 Air. This could finally be the upgrade.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by nkkollaw on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:47AM (#18337820)
What does "stable" mean?

Keys don't stop working because of dust anymore..?

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by em500 on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:59PM (#18339525)
> What does "stable" mean?

They mean the entire keys descends evenly even if you press the key near the edge, see: https://youtu.be/afNHG3jyPU4?t=265

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by nkkollaw on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:38PM (#18341075)
That's what I thought.

The keyboard on my old 2016 MBP stopped functioning after 3 months: repeated characters, missing characters.

Who cares about stability!? Those keyboards don't work as keyboards!

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by ascagnel_ on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:35PM (#18338480)
Having recently been switched from a 2013 MBP to 2018 MBP -- the older keycaps could wiggle a little bit if you rested your fingers on them. The new keys don't exhibit this behavior, but don't feel as nice to type on.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:01PM (#18338808)
They are talking about the 1st gen butterfly problems. 2013 was pre-butterfly.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by nkkollaw on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:39PM (#18341079)
I think it's a non-problem.

The new keyboards cease functioning with dust particles.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by thefounder on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:38AM (#18337652)
Any idea why the processor is only 1.5? I have a 2011 Model with 1.8ghz
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by akvadrako on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:51AM (#18337884)
Does your 2011 model have 3 Ghz turbo boost? That's just how modern processors work - lower clocks but still higher performance.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by SyneRyder on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:28PM (#18340464)
I looked up the specs - the 2011 1.8GHz was an i7-2677M. It did have a Turbo Boost up to 2.9Ghz.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by ianhowson on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:27PM (#18339846)
This is the correct answer. 'Base clock' is just the steady-state clock speed given power and thermals. Boost clock is more relevant in general usage.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by SnowingXIV on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:53AM (#18337915)
I have a newer MBP (with touchbar, ugh) and I'm quite jealous of this form factor and setup. I probably could perform most of my work on this just as well and it would have been heck of a lot cheaper.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by Dunedan on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @04:47AM (#18344106)
Have you checked its form factor? It has the same width and depth as the 13" MacBook Pro and is even higher.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by briandear on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:41PM (#18340590)
And no firewire!!! OMG.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by jjkmk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:39AM (#18337681)
No USB ports? How is that even workable?
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by masklinn on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:49AM (#18337865)
It has two TB3/Type C ports, GP is just lying for effect.