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Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by reustle on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:06AM (#18337191)
My phone, Sony camera, battery bank, and now laptop are all usb-c. I welcome this with open arms.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by falcolas on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:35AM (#18337606)
In contrast - my USB hubs, external USB drives, and CD reader are all USB A. My phone is Lightning. My spare chargers are two flavors of magsafe.

The cords I've begun to accumulate to work with a USB C computer have varying capabilities, to the point where I can't safely interchange them for fear of blowing past their tolerances accidentally.

I'm not so keen on this change.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by zaroth on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:58PM (#18338758)
If your drive enclosures are USB A you’re leaving massive throughout on the table and wasting your time for what would be a $30 part on Amazon.

The new “spare charger” is a 10kmAh battery pack which will have USB-C and some double as a way to jump start your car (assuming you still drive ICE). It’s also a worthwhile upgrade and much more useful than something that has you hunting for outlets at the airport, or god forbid, under your seat on a plane!

But a C D Reader? What is that? Is that like the radio that truckers used to use to talk to each other in the road?

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by drewmol on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:38PM (#18339270)
>But a C D Reader? What is that? Is that like the radio that truckers used to use to talk to each other in the road?

Yes, like that in terms of: expect decades for complete migration as all benificial use cases for them have not yet been superceeded by technology sucessors.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:13PM (#18340331)
Is a USB-C enclosure actually faster than USB 3.1 was with the old conenctors? As far as I know you can use all the same devices and just swap out the cable on a computer that wants a USB-C connector.

On the device end (for hard drives and hubs) you'd generally have a type-B connector (don't think I've ever seen one with USB-A, but I haven't had that many external drives). Type-B got got a bulkier version for superspeed, it looks silly but for something that lives at your desk, who cares?

https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+3+type+b&tbm=isch

If you get a new computer with USB-C, you can replace a single cable with USB-C to USB-B to keep using the same hub and the same USB-A devices plugged into it at the same speed as before:

https://www.amazon.com/TNP-USB-C-USB-B-Cable-Black/dp/B011BG...

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:27PM (#18340446)
> Is a USB-C enclosure actually faster than USB 3.1 was with the old conenctors?

As I understand it, USB-C-to-USB-C (with USB 3.2) is the only connector combination supporting Gen 2×2, 20Gb/s mode (since it leverages the pins included to support flipping the connector; it's also the only combination to support Gen 1×2, but that's the same speed as Gen 2×1, so it's unclear why you'd do that.)

USB A (w/USB 3.1+) can support Gen 2×1 (SuperSpeed+) at 10Gb/s. USB B (w/USB 3.0+), AFAIK, only supports Gen 1 (SuperSpeed) (5Gb/s).

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:58PM (#18340758)
Ah you're right. First I've heard of USB 3.2, but here's news from 2017: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11667/usb32-update

I have a USB-C drive enclosure, but looking at the specs it's only USB 3.1. Newegg doesn't even have 3.2 as an option when searching by external interface in their hard drive enclosures section. The day when you're actually losing anything by not having USB-C devices seems a ways off still.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by cbhl on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:29PM (#18338408)
> The cords I've begun to accumulate to work with a USB C computer have varying capabilities

USB-A had these problems back in 1998. It's early days for USB-C, but I think a few more hardware iterations and hopefully things will start settling down.

Right now USB-C controllers are too complex and expensive to fit in low-end devices (think $49 TV dongles).

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by notatoad on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:28PM (#18338388)
>for fear of blowing past their tolerances accidentally

this is not how USB-C works. you might end up with a cable that doesn't support high voltage, but it simply won't upgrade to a higher voltage and your device will charge slower or not at all.

I agree that it's frustrating that all USB-C cables aren't interchangeable, but to imply they're potentially unsafe is wrong. There was a bunch of out-of-spec cables on the market shortly after USB-C came into use with the nexus phones and the macbook pro, but that problem has almost entirely been solved, and is still a much smaller problem than cheap aftermarket USB-A charging bricks sold by the same sketchy vendors.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by rspeer on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:43PM (#18338589)
I got an out-of-spec USB-C cable three weeks ago.

While driving a long distance, I noticed that I had failed to bring any way to charge my phone in the car, so I bought a USB-A to USB-C cable at a rest stop convenience store.

It served its immediate purpose of not leaving me lost with a dead battery. But it doesn't charge many other devices, and it only works when plugged in with the USB logo facing down.

I don't consider the problem of fake USB-C cables solved.

(I have no idea what brand it is, and the convenience store themselves probably bought whatever the cheapest counterfeit thing on Amazon was)

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by jazzyjackson on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @07:10PM (#18342009)
yeah my nexus 5x melted thanks to a USB-C cable that I didn't strike me as off-brand or fake. So I'm skittish about USB C now. oh well.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by izacus on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:31AM (#18337528)
What, the annoyance every time you need to plug in a USB stick or a mouse you down own? Even now, after two years of USB-C macbook, it's still incredible how annoying having to look for those damn dongles is.

You do understand that you can have BOTH ports on the laptop right - see for example how Lenovo Thinkpad Carbon engineers manage to stuff usable ports on the same chasis size.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by Latteland on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:44AM (#18337772)
The google pixel 2015 was the top of the heap for ports. 2 usb-c ports, headphones!, 2 usb-a, sd card. All laptops should have this. It's just endless pain. Certainly 2 usb-c ports are better than 1. But why not put 4? Even better usb-c + usb-a.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by masklinn on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:02PM (#18338005)
> Certainly 2 usb-c ports are better than 1. But why not put 4? Even better usb-c + usb-a.

Because they're not just Type C ports, they're TB3 ports, Intel's stinginess with respect to PCIe lanes & TB3 controller integration means it's hard to put many of those in a machine especially on low-end CPUs, and I guess Apple prefers uniformising capabilities to an extent (even if performances can differ see e.g. the 13" MBP) to having multiple ports with the exact same connector but completely divergent capabilities.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by lathiat on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:38AM (#18337659)
I mean I've got 2 AT keyboards and 3 PS/2 mice in my drawer. Why can't I plug these into the latest MacBook pro? It's a travesty.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:54PM (#18338714)
I gotchu fam!

AT > PS/2 > usb A > usb C

If I were you, I'd stick all that crap inside the massive schoolbus sized AT keyboard where you can't see it. There is probably plenty of room.

Hell, go ahead an integrate a USB hub too, then you can use the keyboard itself to adapt other legacy devices to usb C.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by tinus_hn on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @03:59PM (#18348798)
You can’t use a ps/2 keyboard using an adapter on the Mac, it doesn’t work. I’ve tried.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dwighttk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:36PM (#18339968)
why didn't they include an ADB port?
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:02PM (#18340792)
Because svideo is a terrible serial protocol.