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Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by atlasunshrugged on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @10:53AM (#18337020)
Gah, just what I need, another adapter. I guess in this day and age pretty much everything is in the cloud but still, I like having at least one USB port. A little surprised they kept the mic jack
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by reustle on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:06AM (#18337191)
My phone, Sony camera, battery bank, and now laptop are all usb-c. I welcome this with open arms.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by falcolas on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:35AM (#18337606)
In contrast - my USB hubs, external USB drives, and CD reader are all USB A. My phone is Lightning. My spare chargers are two flavors of magsafe.

The cords I've begun to accumulate to work with a USB C computer have varying capabilities, to the point where I can't safely interchange them for fear of blowing past their tolerances accidentally.

I'm not so keen on this change.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by zaroth on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:58PM (#18338758)
If your drive enclosures are USB A you’re leaving massive throughout on the table and wasting your time for what would be a $30 part on Amazon.

The new “spare charger” is a 10kmAh battery pack which will have USB-C and some double as a way to jump start your car (assuming you still drive ICE). It’s also a worthwhile upgrade and much more useful than something that has you hunting for outlets at the airport, or god forbid, under your seat on a plane!

But a C D Reader? What is that? Is that like the radio that truckers used to use to talk to each other in the road?

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by drewmol on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:38PM (#18339270)
>But a C D Reader? What is that? Is that like the radio that truckers used to use to talk to each other in the road?

Yes, like that in terms of: expect decades for complete migration as all benificial use cases for them have not yet been superceeded by technology sucessors.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:13PM (#18340331)
Is a USB-C enclosure actually faster than USB 3.1 was with the old conenctors? As far as I know you can use all the same devices and just swap out the cable on a computer that wants a USB-C connector.

On the device end (for hard drives and hubs) you'd generally have a type-B connector (don't think I've ever seen one with USB-A, but I haven't had that many external drives). Type-B got got a bulkier version for superspeed, it looks silly but for something that lives at your desk, who cares?

https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+3+type+b&tbm=isch

If you get a new computer with USB-C, you can replace a single cable with USB-C to USB-B to keep using the same hub and the same USB-A devices plugged into it at the same speed as before:

https://www.amazon.com/TNP-USB-C-USB-B-Cable-Black/dp/B011BG...

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:27PM (#18340446)
> Is a USB-C enclosure actually faster than USB 3.1 was with the old conenctors?

As I understand it, USB-C-to-USB-C (with USB 3.2) is the only connector combination supporting Gen 2×2, 20Gb/s mode (since it leverages the pins included to support flipping the connector; it's also the only combination to support Gen 1×2, but that's the same speed as Gen 2×1, so it's unclear why you'd do that.)

USB A (w/USB 3.1+) can support Gen 2×1 (SuperSpeed+) at 10Gb/s. USB B (w/USB 3.0+), AFAIK, only supports Gen 1 (SuperSpeed) (5Gb/s).

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by wlesieutre on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @03:58PM (#18340758)
Ah you're right. First I've heard of USB 3.2, but here's news from 2017: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11667/usb32-update

I have a USB-C drive enclosure, but looking at the specs it's only USB 3.1. Newegg doesn't even have 3.2 as an option when searching by external interface in their hard drive enclosures section. The day when you're actually losing anything by not having USB-C devices seems a ways off still.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by cbhl on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:29PM (#18338408)
> The cords I've begun to accumulate to work with a USB C computer have varying capabilities

USB-A had these problems back in 1998. It's early days for USB-C, but I think a few more hardware iterations and hopefully things will start settling down.

Right now USB-C controllers are too complex and expensive to fit in low-end devices (think $49 TV dongles).

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by notatoad on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:28PM (#18338388)
>for fear of blowing past their tolerances accidentally

this is not how USB-C works. you might end up with a cable that doesn't support high voltage, but it simply won't upgrade to a higher voltage and your device will charge slower or not at all.

I agree that it's frustrating that all USB-C cables aren't interchangeable, but to imply they're potentially unsafe is wrong. There was a bunch of out-of-spec cables on the market shortly after USB-C came into use with the nexus phones and the macbook pro, but that problem has almost entirely been solved, and is still a much smaller problem than cheap aftermarket USB-A charging bricks sold by the same sketchy vendors.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by rspeer on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:43PM (#18338589)
I got an out-of-spec USB-C cable three weeks ago.

While driving a long distance, I noticed that I had failed to bring any way to charge my phone in the car, so I bought a USB-A to USB-C cable at a rest stop convenience store.

It served its immediate purpose of not leaving me lost with a dead battery. But it doesn't charge many other devices, and it only works when plugged in with the USB logo facing down.

I don't consider the problem of fake USB-C cables solved.

(I have no idea what brand it is, and the convenience store themselves probably bought whatever the cheapest counterfeit thing on Amazon was)

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by jazzyjackson on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @07:10PM (#18342009)
yeah my nexus 5x melted thanks to a USB-C cable that I didn't strike me as off-brand or fake. So I'm skittish about USB C now. oh well.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by izacus on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:31AM (#18337528)
What, the annoyance every time you need to plug in a USB stick or a mouse you down own? Even now, after two years of USB-C macbook, it's still incredible how annoying having to look for those damn dongles is.

You do understand that you can have BOTH ports on the laptop right - see for example how Lenovo Thinkpad Carbon engineers manage to stuff usable ports on the same chasis size.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by Latteland on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:44AM (#18337772)
The google pixel 2015 was the top of the heap for ports. 2 usb-c ports, headphones!, 2 usb-a, sd card. All laptops should have this. It's just endless pain. Certainly 2 usb-c ports are better than 1. But why not put 4? Even better usb-c + usb-a.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by masklinn on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:02PM (#18338005)
> Certainly 2 usb-c ports are better than 1. But why not put 4? Even better usb-c + usb-a.

Because they're not just Type C ports, they're TB3 ports, Intel's stinginess with respect to PCIe lanes & TB3 controller integration means it's hard to put many of those in a machine especially on low-end CPUs, and I guess Apple prefers uniformising capabilities to an extent (even if performances can differ see e.g. the 13" MBP) to having multiple ports with the exact same connector but completely divergent capabilities.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by lathiat on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:38AM (#18337659)
I mean I've got 2 AT keyboards and 3 PS/2 mice in my drawer. Why can't I plug these into the latest MacBook pro? It's a travesty.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:54PM (#18338714)
I gotchu fam!

AT > PS/2 > usb A > usb C

If I were you, I'd stick all that crap inside the massive schoolbus sized AT keyboard where you can't see it. There is probably plenty of room.

Hell, go ahead an integrate a USB hub too, then you can use the keyboard itself to adapt other legacy devices to usb C.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by tinus_hn on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @03:59PM (#18348798)
You can’t use a ps/2 keyboard using an adapter on the Mac, it doesn’t work. I’ve tried.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dwighttk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:36PM (#18339968)
why didn't they include an ADB port?
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @04:02PM (#18340792)
Because svideo is a terrible serial protocol.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by ummonk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @11:55AM (#18337939)
It's getting better every year, as peripherals and other devices switch over to USB-C. Apple's imposition of USB-C as the one cable has been very frustrating, but we're starting to see the fruits of it.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by notatoad on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:21PM (#18338273)
if apple were truly imposing USB-C as the "one cable" it would be less frustrating. it's crazy that still, three years after the macbook pro switched to all usb-c, if you go to the apple store and buy a brand new iPhone and a brand new mac, you need an aftermarket cable to connect the two.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by 51lver on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:48PM (#18338643)
Aftermarket means it was supplied by an accessory manufacturer and not the original equipment manufacturer, generally without the OEM's blessing. It's really more of a car term than a computer term.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by gumby on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:35PM (#18338483)
No you don't -- apple sells a cable with lighting on one end and type c on the other end. I have one.

Given that the new iPad has type C I assume that's the future for iPhones as well.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by notatoad on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:37PM (#18338506)
maybe i used the wrong word, does aftermarket not mean you have to buy it separately from the actual product?
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by toyg on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:51PM (#18338670)
I think it's often used to indicate third-party products.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by dwighttk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:32PM (#18339925)
>you need an aftermarket cable to connect the two.

or you can connect wirelessly.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by intopieces on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:26PM (#18339834)
>you need an aftermarket cable to connect the two.

You don't need a cable at all, because they connect over AirDrop.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by slantyyz on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:00PM (#18338797)
>> It's getting better every year, as peripherals and other devices switch over to USB-C.

Speaking for normal people, though, how often do they turn over their devices and peripherals?

When I bought my laptop over a year ago, I made sure it had USB-C/TB3 from a future-proofing perspective, but I have yet to actually buy any device that connects to it via USB-C, and I don't foresee myself buying many either. On the other hand, I still have a ton of older devices that are USB-A that I still use.

Even when it comes to USB keys, I still prefer USB-A, because it's more than likely that I'll need to connect it to a device that doesn't have USB-C.

I do have some mobile devices that charge by USB-C like my phone, but I still charge them off of USB-A power sources.

Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by toasterlovin on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @01:16PM (#18338958)
Normal people don't plug shit into their computers. Neither do I, for that matter.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by reaperducer on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:41PM (#18340009)
He's crude, but he's not wrong. 90% of the market will never use more than one USB-C port. And even then, almost exclusively for charging.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by WillPostForFood on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:27AM (#18343712)
1. power in 2. audio out
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by MR4D on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:00PM (#18339541)
I'm probably going to get crucified for this, but I wish they would have dropped the mic jack in return to a third TB3 port (so they would be accessible form either side of the computer).
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by rjplatte on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @02:42PM (#18340022)
God, no. The TRRS port is the last thing I want to see go.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by FiveSquared on Wednesday October 31, 2018 @02:07PM (#18347963)
Let's go to Reddit, 'tis a silly place.
Re:Apple Finally Updates MacBook Air with Retina Display, To... by zapnuk on Tuesday October 30, 2018 @12:22PM (#18338289)
To be fair I already have to carry a ethernet and a display adapter with me. Switching to an USB-C means I don't need other adapters anymore.

At least one USB-A port should be the minimum though.

Between no USB-A with Apple notebooks and no USB-C on the Surface Laptop I don't know whats worse...