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Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @03:02PM (#17802828)
With 15 minutes of effort typing commands into a large bioinformatics database, you too can convince yourself that these contaminants may be behind the Diabetes epidemic.

https://medium.com/@InfinoMe/diabetes-time-to-resort-to-plas...

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by ams6110 on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:14PM (#17803521)
I think it's much more likely that the diabetes epidemic is linked to the insane levels of carb/sugar intake and obesity of so many adults.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:30PM (#17803663)
We can keep running on the macronutrient treadmill, like we've been doing for 50 years, or we can find molecular evidence that jives with genetics.

Check out this study, where they fed mice water, water+fructose, or water+fructose+BPA. At the end of the experiment, only the BPA containing solutions had elevated liver fat

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0300483X1...

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by harshreality on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:45PM (#17804290)
There's a notable lack of dose-response relationship in most of the collected data, and n=12 for each group doesn't inspire confidence even if in some cases the p-value suggests significance. There are already a lot of measurements taken and included in the table where differences were not that large. Were other measurements taken and not reported in the table? Has anyone attempted to reproduce this?

Most importantly, though, that study doesn't indicate whether the effects, if they end up being reproducible, are caused by BPA alone, or the combination of BPA+sugar. It's well known in other scenarios that toxins, when combined with inflammatory foods like sugar, are far worse than they are in the absence of inflammatory foods.

I'm fairly convinced that BPA is slightly bad, I just think alternative plastics may turn out to have other compounds that are also bad, given horrible diets, and the best solution may be to fix the diet, rather than try to eliminate all toxins related to modern plastics (and the same argument may apply to pesticides). Other toxins from modern living will undoubtedly pop up, and if they all cause different and problematic diseases in combination with bad diets, but not so much in combination with good diets, how much energy do we really need to put into studying and eliminating toxins in a giant game of whack-a-mole?

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:25PM (#17806367)
Note that this study specifically showed that fructose alone did not increase liver fat content unless BPA was present in the solution. See figure 3, but yes, I agree that it would have been nice if they tried BPA without the fructose.

This really does make sense. When that pathway is suppressed, the adipogenic program is activated, which turns on the SREBP-1 pathway and stores lipid droplets. Without this pathway activated, fructose is processed and exported out of the liver, preventing harm to the liver.

I would argue that we should really test every new manmade chemical against a library of our proteins before we synthesize anything new and introduce millions of tons of it to the world. Not doing so can have disasterous consequences.

Samuel Epstein, before he died, documented a great many examples of horror stories we just barely averted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQoc6WP3QJo

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:52PM (#17804339)
I havent yet seen other studies comparing BPA with carb ingestion, but I hope they are done. Its important to root out the effect since BPA lines every single soda-pop can.

Aside from that though, there are many other mouse studies.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2605....

As well as studies showing that BPA in human urine is associated with insulin resistance and obesity

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/97/2/E223/2836542

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by allover on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:39PM (#17804244)
> We can keep running on the macronutrient treadmill,

People reach obesity from overeating, no matter what their choice of calorie-dense foods, but it's typically sugar or fats, and sugar is the cheapest/most available.

Being obese is clearly a causative factor towards T2B [1]. How are these obvious truths 'running on a treadmill'?

[1] https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-and-obesity.html

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:44PM (#17804277)
The treadmill is the endless debate over whether or not fats vs carbs are more obesogenic. This debate continues ad-nauseum and distracts from more nuanced explanations.

High fat consumption raises inflammatory profiles through mechanisms that are poorly understood. Carbohydrates seem to cause similar inflammation, but this is largely do to advanced gylcation end-products created from fructose, specifically.

Overeating is not interesting. The reason people do overeat is very interesting, and if you hit the literature you find that this is largely driven by damage to the hypothalamus by environmental exposure.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by allover on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:58PM (#17805831)
> Overeating is not interesting. The reason people do overeat is very interesting

What if it's not. What if people just overeat because life is boring, and food tastes good, and we all have differing levels of willpower & education on nutrition?

> if you hit the literature you find that this is largely driven by damage to the hypothalamus by environmental exposure.

Sounds like nonsense, can you elaborate?

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by amanaplanacanal on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @12:16AM (#17806951)
> What if it's not. What if people just overeat because life is boring, and food tastes good, and we all have differing levels of willpower & education on nutrition?

Then we need to explain why this suddenly became a problem in the 1970s. Life is more boring now? We all lost our willpower? People understood nutrition better before that? Something has changed, either in humanity or the environment. My bet is the environment.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by ragazzina on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @08:33AM (#17808963)
Was there enough extremely cheap and tasty food before the 1970s?
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @10:31PM (#17806397)
There is a specific part of the hypothalamus called the arcuate nucleus. It lacks a blood brain barrier, because the neurons there have a special function to sense blood-born hormones like insulin and leptin. When sensed, the brain interprets this as a "full tank of gas" and suppresses appetite while increasing metabolism.

Since theres no blood brain barrier here, these neurons get damaged easily due to things in the blood. When that happens, they don't see leptin anymore, and obesity develops. Fructose and high fat diets have both been shown to cause inflammation here. (hypothalamic gliosis)

heres a random selection of many papers http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/65/3/551.figure...

We also know that certain viruses show up in obese people (adenovirus36). As the field develops, I would not be surprised if labs demonstrate both viral infection of the hypothalamic ARC and damage by endocrine disruptors there.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by timr on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:54PM (#17803868)
"We can keep running on the macronutrient treadmill, like we've been doing for 50 years, or we can find molecular evidence that jives with genetics."

Yes, let's ignore 50+ years of established science that is parsimonious with everything we know about the molecular biology of insulin resistance, and dump it in favor of a fringe theory, based on a single paper about a mouse study, where there's not even a plausible explanatory mechanism.

Folks, stop downvoting simply because someone provides a link. The parent is spouting pseudo-scientific nonsense.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:56PM (#17803891)
There are literally hundreds of papers on BPA and its links with diabetes. The only difference now is that we have the molecular culprit behind the trend.

https://www.ucsusa.org/our-work/center-science-and-democracy...

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by timr on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:57PM (#17803898)
"There are literally hundreds of papers on BPA and its links with diabetes."

There are literally not. The review you've linked to cites a handful of papers involving minor effects observed in mouse studies.

Moreover, the paper you originally cited proves nothing even approximating a mechanism. I'm not suggesting anything about the safety of BPA, but it's utter nonsense to claim that it is a more plausible explanation for the diabetes epidemic than sugar consumption.

A few mouse studies do not change 50+ years of established science on the relationship between sugar and diabetes.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:04PM (#17803958)
But is it really?

Elevated blood glucose, as in Type 2 Diabetes, has LONG been known to be primarily driven by excessive production of glucose by the liver due to liver insulin resistance. In fact, the way that the drug metformin improves diabetes is by shutting that pathway down.

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/50/8/1807.short

Thats not dietary, thats the hormone insulin being ignored by the liver. This is further complicated by the fact that peripheral tissues, like muscle, are themselves insulin resistant.

The TCF7L2 pathway has been shown to be down-regulated in all of these tissues in diabetics.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by timr on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:30PM (#17804164)
TCF7L2 is a transcription factor. It is involved in many pathways in human biology, of which diabetes is one.

Observing that it is downregulated in diabetics provides no evidence for or against any theories concerning BPA.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:47PM (#17804304)
It's also the most statistically significant gene, in the whole dang genome, associated with Type 2 Diabetes.

And out of a compound library of 20k chemicals, BPA had the top effect on it.

Seems significant to me

Also worth noting that BPA has been shown to specifically effect the occupancy of TCF7L2 at transcription factor binding sites in Chip-Seq experiments.

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/endo-meetings.201...

Lastly, before calling someone else's claims psuedoscientific, you may want to do some homework and check your previous biases. We could certainly use someone with your skills to help model BPAs interaction with the Androgen receptor. Might just save millions of lives....

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:35PM (#17804200)
No, there literally are hundreds. Look at the graph in pubmed.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=bisphenol+a

Forgive me, but I don't have time for this.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by joneston on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:20PM (#17804092)
It’s interesting to notice that what we have here is one industry being villified, and then possibly passing the buck, only to point at another industry as possibly to blame.

It’s pretty interesting to think about how easy it is to muddy the waters like this. Something starts off as a direct medical concern, but then sprals into a secondary contamination problem. Both are bad. Plastics are bad for a variety of reasons, and sugars definitely contribute to obesity.

But, horomonal factors really cannot be shrugged at. There’s some serious distortion affecting people for the past 20 or more years, and it’s nothing normal. Is it birth control pills being dumped down the drain, and recirculating into the drinking water? Is it ibuprofen messing with people who have over dosed on their analgesic NSAIDs?

One thing’s for sure modern civilization has inteoduced many complications, all simultaneously, and that is likely the biggest mistake of all.

Also, I’m not sure you’ve used the word “parsimonious” correctly? Are you trying to say they’ve been “very careful” or “strict”? I think it’d be more appropriate to replace it with “well aligned” or “concomitant” if a vocabulary word should be preferred.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by baxtr on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:37PM (#17804217)
But what about other countries than the US? Japan, Europe? They use lots of plastic too. I haven’t heard of a diabetes epidemic there yet though.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by harshreality on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:48PM (#17804313)
Trends in prevalence of diabetes in Asian countries, doi: 10.4239/wjd.v3.i6.110 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3382707/

Diabetes in Asia and the Pacific: Implications for the Global Epidemic, https://doi.org/10.2337/dc15-1536 ( http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/39/3/472 )

Someone needs to do a dietary and sociological study of Vietnam, because it looks like they've been least affected by the diabetes epidemic, up until the early 2010s at least.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by cat199 on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:11PM (#17804010)
and yet, most everything came in glass until about 25 years ago..
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by subcosmos on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:14PM (#17804032)
Thats about when things got really bad

http://www.diabetesandenvironment.org/home/incidence

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by agumonkey on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:59PM (#17803917)
Maybe interplay between both ? too much carbs and too many toxins making our bodies even worse at handling the load.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by qbrass on Monday August 20, 2018 @07:40PM (#17805209)
Packaging food in plastic containers provides easier access to snackfoods, and allows you to carry them in more places to allow opportunistic snacking.

While the plastic itself may not be directly causing diabetes, the increased availability of food might be allowing people to overeat and give themselves diabetes.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:03PM (#17803406)
I'm intrigued, still the sceptic in me thinks that most victims of type 2 diabetes are probably just victims of the simpler answer, which is occupying a body that has been exposed to too great amounts of fat (from especially oils and other processed foods) over too great a time period.

However, I can only imagine the amount of harm continued consumption of plastic over a long period of time will do to a body, and I foresee that it will become clear that an increasing amount of people will be dealing with problems from precisely that in the next couple of decades.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by SteveNuts on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:20PM (#17803568)
I've always heard that rising levels of carbs and sugars consumption have caused rises in Type 2, not fats and oils. I am no expert though.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:23PM (#17804120)
Carbs nor sugar causes T2 diabetes. Simply put, sugar (refined or in food with a high glycemic level) becomes dangerous when you are diabetic because you body can't handle it because the arteries are plagued (from overconsumption of fat) so the sugar becomes trapped in the blood instead of escaping and being processed as it should, and as it's trapped in the blood it will build up to dangerous levels.

The reason you've always heard that (processed) carbs and sugars causes it, is probably because processed carbs and sugar is most often served with huge amounts of fat. Think oils and animal fat in cakes, candy, fries and so on. In any way, it isn't the cause, the cause is the fat, but rising levels of carbs and sugar go hand in hand with rising levels of fat.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by DoreenMichele on Monday August 20, 2018 @07:48PM (#17805278)
Insulin resistance is related to inadequate muscle mass/protein.

Research has linked diabetes to inflammation, which may be related to body chemistry or infection or both.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:31AM (#17807494)
> Insulin resistance is related to inadequate muscle mass/protein.

Source? Insulin resistance is literally a drop in insulin sensitivity caused by intramyocellular lipid, which is the build-up of fat inside muscle cells.

> Research has linked diabetes to inflammation, which may be related to body chemistry or infection or both.

Not as one being the cause of the other. If I'm not mistaken, they are both symptoms caused by for example saturated fat and (possibly) increased BPA consumption, not caused by one another.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by DoreenMichele on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:33AM (#17807766)
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @03:53AM (#17807858)
As you probably are aware off after having read that study, it doesn't negate the lipotoxicity hypothesis, but merely proposes that it is probably not the only cause and that the role of a decline in muscle mass is perhaps also a key player specifically for the elderly where significant decline in muscle mass is typical, but obviously not so much in other population where it isn't.

However, very interesting read indeed, thank you!

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by toomuchtodo on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:18PM (#17803556)
Type 2 Diabetes is caused by carbs/sugar overconsumption, not fats. A ketogenic diet (high fat, moderate protein, low carb) diet reverses T2D in most people.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:29PM (#17804161)
Carbs nor sugar causes T2 diabetes. Simply put, sugar (refined or in food with a high glycemic level) becomes dangerous when you are diabetic because you body can't handle it because the arteries are plagued (from overconsumption of fat) so the sugar becomes trapped in the blood instead of escaping and being processed as it should, and as it's trapped in the blood it will build up to dangerous levels.

The reason a ketogenic diet reverses type 2 diabetes in some people are because either a) those people go from eating extremely unhealthy to following a specific diet or b) they eat less calories than their bodies use thus they loose weight and thus the plague built-up can reverse. A ketogenic diet that allows too much fat will give you type 2 diabetes just like any other diet that allows for too high fat consumption.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by toomuchtodo on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:31PM (#17804170)
It is much much harder to consume enough fats to have the same caloric intake as carbs. That’s the whole reason keto works.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:34PM (#17804192)
That's irrelevant. It's still the fat that causes type 2 diabetes. That doesn't mean keto can't work because it clearly can as long as it doesn't lead to overconsumption of fat.

Also there are different kinds of carbs. As long as you keep to whole-food carbs, you practically can't eat too many (except for a few kinds like nuts and seeds and avocados) because you will be full long before it's too much. It's a different story with processed carbs, where you almost have eaten too much just by looking at them.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by outworlder on Monday August 20, 2018 @07:44PM (#17805236)
I see this copy pasta replicated several times.

What do you mean by "cause type 2 diabetes"? Type 2, you body is simply not making a sufficient amount of insulin to get the desired effect. In many cases, this is because the individual has developed "insulin resistance" but the pancreas is producing what would be an adequate amount otherwise. And this is usually due to "fat", as in, fat stores in that individual. It is not directly related to consumption of fat.

EDIT: This does not take into account other causes of type 2 diabetes and only deals with a single scenario.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @01:22AM (#17807210)
> Type 2, you body is simply not making a sufficient amount of insulin to get the desired effect.

No, that is type 1.

> In many cases, this is because the individual has developed "insulin resistance" but the pancreas is producing what would be an adequate amount otherwise. And this is usually due to "fat", as in, fat stores in that individual. It is not directly related to consumption of fat.

Indeed, but the body prioriteses food, and it's easier for the body to store saturated fat than carbs, and since people in the western world where diabetes and other heart diseases rule, over consumption of whole-food carbs doesn't, but instead oils and other fatty-food does, so I'd say that is more likely the cause. Also the studies done supports this. You could check out this[1] 5 min video and this[2] that talks about a few studies that showed that insulin resistance decreases and diabetics of 20 years gets off insulin in mere weeks, on the same amount of calories, after they switch to a diet that prioriteses whole-food carbs over fat. All studies referenced in the videos are linked to.

[1]: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-causes-insulin-resista... [2]: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-not-to-die-from-diabete...

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by toomuchtodo on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:40PM (#17804245)
This is not true (whole food carbs vs processed food). Carbs are carbs, and should be avoided as much as possible (no more than 20-30g/day).
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by cageface on Monday August 20, 2018 @08:58PM (#17805835)
This is nonsense. The healthiest populations in the world eat large volumes of carbs and have for millenia. Lumping all carbohydrates under the bucket term "carbs" makes as much sense as lumping all drugs under a single term.

Eating complex, unrefined carbs is overall the healthiest way to get the calories you need to keep your body fueled.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:47PM (#17804309)
I can only recommend that you go and do some research on the difference between whole-food carbs and processed carbs, because that is a very unhealthy (and unscientific) view on probably the single most important nutrient for the human body taking into account the fact that carbs is literally what evolution selected as our preferred brain-fuel, not ketone bodies.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by Gibbon1 on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:23AM (#17808195)
> fredsir

Stop downvoting people you simply disagree with.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by dang on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @02:31PM (#17812379)
Attacking another user like that will get you banned here. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:27AM (#17808216)
I haven't been downvoting anybody. I don't even have a downvote button.
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Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by fredsir on Tuesday August 21, 2018 @05:39AM (#17808265)
I wish I could but I can't so I shan't.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by teslabox on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:01PM (#17803386)
IMHO, the contamination of the food supply with rancid vegetable oil is a more important factor in the diabetes epidemic. Almost all of the vegetable oils at grocery stores are refined so customers don't realize they're using rancid oils. Vegetable oil is useful as biodiesel, and for making paints and stains.

  A drying oil is an oil that hardens to a tough, solid film 
  after a period of exposure to air. The oil hardens through 
  a chemical reaction in which the components crosslink (and 
  hence, polymerize) by the action of oxygen (not through 
  the evaporation of water or other solvents). Drying oils 
  are a key component of oil paint and some varnishes. Some 
  commonly used drying oils include linseed oil, tung oil, 
  poppy seed oil, perilla oil, and walnut oil. Their use has 
  declined over the past several decades, as they have been 
  replaced by alkyd resins and other binders. 
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drying_oil
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by dogma1138 on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:21PM (#17803576)
Refined oils have nothing to do with being rancid it’s an extraction technique that uses heat instead of pressing.

Refined oil will go rancid in the kitchen just as easily as cold pressed and you will noticed since it will smell sweet and then putrid.

Common cooking oils including canola do not oxidize well nor do they dry well which is why you would not use them on say wood because they will not dry and will just go rancid.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by teslabox on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:26PM (#17803627)
> Refined oils have nothing to do with being rancid it’s an extraction technique that uses heat instead of pressing.

The petroleum distillate hexane is used to extract the oil from seed meal, then is boiled off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil#Solvent_extracti...

The specific step I'm referring to is "steam deodorization": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil#Deodorization

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by dogma1138 on Monday August 20, 2018 @05:39PM (#17804238)
And this has nothing to do with the oil being rancid deodorization is used to remove any water soluble solvents that may have been used in the process of extracting the oil.

If you are going to link to Wikipedia at least bother reading the damn article.

If you want to talk about the potential health impact of oils then erucic acid consumption might be a topic for discussion despite the lack of conclusive research on the subject so excessive canola oil consumption might be an issue despite it being capped at 2% in the US and 5% in the EU if you consume enough of it you might cause cardio vascular damage if the existing correlated data also indicates causation.

But vegetable oils in general are not bad and are not sold as rancid that’s wrong, if you want to be on the extreme edge of the safe line then you can substitute canola oil with coconut, sunflower or peanut oil quite easily and these days also without paying a premium.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by Aloha on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:15PM (#17803522)
What does the blocktext and link have to do with your supposition?
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by teslabox on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:21PM (#17803581)
Most so-called "vegetable oils" were traditionally used as drying oils. This was before the paint industry figured out how to use petroleum distillates in their products in the mid-20th century.

Linseed oil was renamed "flaxseed oil" when the market for stain made with linseed oil dried up.

Containers of vegetable oils typically develop a sticky film on them, due to the drying oil effect.

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by birken on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:43PM (#17803773)
Maybe I'm not viewing this with the proper historical context, but I don't understand why you are saying the market for linseed oil has "dried up" for non-food uses. Boiled linseed oil, which contains linseed oil, is probably the most common oil based finish for woodworking.

I also looked at this website about "Linseed oil market analysis" [1], which shows that Paints & Varnishes is still the largest user of linseed oil. Then processed foods, then pharma, then cosmetic, then flooring (which is probably also as a finish).

I'm eye-balling the graphs because they don't have a table, but it looks like processed foods is only about 20% of the market. That might be a lot, I don't know, but it doesn't seem fair to say all this excess linseed oil is going into foods because there is no other use for it.

1: https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/linseed-...

Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by teslabox on Monday August 20, 2018 @06:23PM (#17804582)
... strictly speaking you’re certainly correct that there is still a significant non-food use for linseed and the other vegetable oils. But there were only limited food uses for polyunsaturated oils before deodorization and hydrogenation techniques were figured out in the early-mid 20th century. People might [have] measured out a tablespoon for their cooking pan, whereas today people use these oils prolifically.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by stone-monkey on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:12PM (#17803496)
This process sounds similar to seasoning a cast iron pan. Does that mean using a seasoned cast iron pan can play a factor in diabetes, since you're in taking more rancid fats?
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by UpshotKnothole on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:23PM (#17803593)
Putting aside the fact that the claim made about rancid oil is pure fiction, the answer to your question is no. A cast iron pan is seasoned by carbonizing and polymerizing the oil under high heat, and what’s left can’t go rancid and isn’t really oil anymore.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by dogma1138 on Monday August 20, 2018 @04:22PM (#17803587)
It’s a very different process “seasoning” creates a thin carbon layer on the surface of them metal and essentially what it does is to fill all the small gaps that normally would allow food to get into and stick it’s essentially very simmilar to Teflon and other non-stick coatings.
Re:Tiny Plastic Is Everywhere by logfromblammo on Monday August 20, 2018 @06:10PM (#17804467)
That is exactly what pan seasoning is. It's why the oil you use matters. The patina on a seasoned pan is a crosslinked polymer.

The chemicals that make rancid oils taste and smell bad are generally the smaller bits that come off the molecule when its double bonds are attacked by oxygen: the aldehydes and ketones, and the short saturated fatty acids like butyric acid.