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Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Androider on Monday June 25, 2018 @04:31PM (#17395543)
I'd prefer a serverless restaurant even if the price was exactly the same as with the full-service.

It's like the difference between an old-style Taxi and an Uber, with the latter you just get up and go when you're done. The whole dance of flagging down the server to request the bill, get the bill, oops the server disappeared before you could pull out your card, wait for 10 minutes while they are off exploring Narnia in the kitchen cupboards. Finally they come to take the card and disappear again, what should have taken 30 seconds is now at 15 min+, hope you're not missing your show... ah, finally they're back! Now try to figure out the tip line, with the air of one who is trying to convert Fahrenheit to centigrade in your head while your house is burning down.

Waitstaff-less high-end restaurants expand the audience and frequency of visits of people who can now enjoy these better-than-Chipotle dining experiences. Much like Uber, which doesn't only cannibalize existing providers but actually creates a whole new category of short rides that you would never have previously considered using a Taxi for.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by refurb on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:53PM (#17396523)
Was recently in terminal 3 of Newark airport and they had a bunch of table seating throughout the airport with tablets mounted at each seat.

You could order food through the tablet from the restaurants close by.

I loved the experience. You could browse the menu, fine tune an order, get a drink, then pay (with tip) on your credit card. Someone then brought your food to you in under 10 min.

Seems simple enough, but Jesus it was a way better experience than a normal airport restaurant. Avoided all those problems you mentioned.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by danielharan on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:32PM (#17396725)
Do you remember how many language options there were? Adding many seems like a really good reason to replace humans with tech.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by phil21 on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:26PM (#17397021)
They have these in MSP, and it may be a bit of an exaggeration but basically "all of them" - at least enough to quiz my teenage geography nerd on flags for a minute or two.

I have no idea how good or extensive those translations are, but assuming these are OTG terminals it's a pretty tightly integrated vertical so I imagine pretty good.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by xenomachina on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @02:26AM (#17406146)
Did it ask for the tip amount before you got your service?

Doordash does this, which I always find kind of backwards. Just the point of a tip to reward better service?

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by sampo on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:28PM (#17397028)
Some of the tablet screens were really smudgy, though. So kinda gross.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by smelendez on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:43PM (#17396074)
There's a restaurant very near me. It's a New York-style pizza place: its name is Bob's Pizza (the name isn't really Bob), and it serves pizza by the slice or pie along with Italianish sandwiches and a few salads. They have great, reasonably priced dine-in lunch specials, e.g. a slice, small salad and soda.

They have table service. I would go there much more frequently if they had counter service. The servers are very friendly and generally attentive, but the table service aspect just makes no sense, especially at lunchtime when it's all solo diners with limited time.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by quadrangle on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:41PM (#17396056)
I'm not a user or support of Uber as a company, but I appreciate everything else about your post. The bizarre dysfunctional tipping tradition has so much wrong with it besides the math. Better that all employees just actually get paid reasonably to start with.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by sampo on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:47PM (#17396485)
The word on r/uber is that in NYC if you don't cash tip your uber drivers, you start getting 1-star passenger ratings, and some drivers don't take rides from passengers rated under 4.6 stars.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by walterbell on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:17PM (#17396638)
Next step: bot that tracks real-time history of your Uber ratings, determines when you have received a 1-star rating for "no cash tips" and creates a blacklist of drivers.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by minimaxir on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:53PM (#17396862)
There is a lot of debate on whether you should tip an Uber: https://www.buzzfeed.com/venessawong/theres-still-no-consens...
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by mancerayder on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:18PM (#17405148)
I'm skeptical, as one who hasn't cash tipped since they added tipping in the app. I'm 4.68 or so, after many hundreds of rides. Sometimes my rating drops, though, and I struggle to recap events to figure out why: he got mad because I asked to turn down the radio? He thinks I'm mad at him for making a wrong turn? and so forth. But since one of the main draws of Uber is the cashlessness of it all, I bet that's old r/uber news.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by thematt on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:13PM (#17396617)
I'm pretty sure drivers don't get to see your tip until after they have rated you.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by newacct500 on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:14PM (#17396620)
Hence why its based on cash tips
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by fatjokes on Monday June 25, 2018 @11:25PM (#17397651)
Anecdata: has never been an issue for me and I never tip uber drivers---in app or cash. No uber driver has ever asked me for a cash tip (perhaps they know that it would lead to a low rating?)
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by workinthehead on Monday June 25, 2018 @10:31PM (#17397468)
I switched to Lyft a while ago but I never would cash tip my Ubers and I had a full 5 stars.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by s73v3r_ on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:27PM (#17396692)
Right, but part of that is because Uber pays so little to the drivers.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by BookmarkSaver on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:54PM (#17396869)
And it is in no way the responsibility of the passengers to rectify this. It is a symptom of a broken system.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by s73v3r_ on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:12PM (#17396957)
The passengers are benefitting from it.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by jimmaswell on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:24PM (#17397009)
"The company says it takes 20 to 25 percent of the fare. [...]Uber says drivers make around $19 per hour in the top 20 U.S. markets."

Do you want inflated taxi fares of old, or do you want supply and demand? You can't have both.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by s73v3r_ on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:18AM (#17398032)
"Uber says drivers make around $19 per hour in the top 20 U.S. markets."

Before or after paying the costs of driving?

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by quadrangle on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:00PM (#17402247)
> or do you want supply and demand? You can't have both

There's tons of examples where supply-and-demand gets balanced with other considerations. It doesn't have to be all-or-nothing.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by workinthehead on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @09:44AM (#17400502)
Apparently for all the economic-related punditry, HN still doesn't understand economics. Jim, you do realize that "inflated" (relative term of course, since Uber is more expensive than taxis in some markets) is still part of the supply-demand curve, no? You absolutely have both. Go read a textbook before you chime in next time, k?
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by dang on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @02:43AM (#17406204)
We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines. Not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by workinthehead on Monday June 25, 2018 @10:33PM (#17397479)
Uh, wrong.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by toomanybeersies on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:51AM (#17398191)
There is a middle ground.

In Australia, the standard for a nice restaurant is that you get full table service, and when you're finished, you just walk up to the front counter to pay.

That way you get the best of both worlds.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Double_a_92 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @07:29AM (#17399626)
Can't you just always do that anyway? Especially if you invite lots of people and don't want to handle lots of money infront of your guests... (and you don't use cards)
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by jhbadger on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @11:55AM (#17409194)
In many sit-down restaurants, the main counter is just for the host to seat customers and you have to pay your server directly.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by jhbadger on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @11:54AM (#17409175)
For some reason that's a thing in America but mostly for breakfast places (Original Pancake House, for example).
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by CaptainZapp on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @06:40AM (#17399383)
Same in Japan.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Gatsky on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:16AM (#17398530)
Be that as it may, the point of the article is that San Francisco, and by extension other popular cities that have undergone real estate booms, will eventually turn into largely empty concrete shells populated by increasingly older elites who despite their wealth won't be able to buy a bagel or dry clean their coat anymore because of unfavorable labor market economics.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Latteland on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @05:52PM (#17404284)
On top of that, people will also not be employed anywhere doing those jobs, eventually. just like there aren't really travel agents anymore.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by kylec on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:03PM (#17396909)
I completely agree. I'm really glad more and more places are experimenting with getting rid of servers because it has a huge potential upside for the customer experience, as well as saving both the customer and the restaurant money.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Jach on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:18AM (#17398034)
Red Robin has had the tablet thing for a few years now, you pay on the tablet and it lights up green when you're good to go, you can just leave after that. That sounds like your main complaint; personally I've eaten at enough chinese places that getting my bill from a sluggish staff and getting out has never been a big problem... I want the tablet expanded to the rest of the experience at Red Robin (and elsewhere) though -- tap my order, tap for refills, things delivered and taken away via robot... Maybe one day.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by DrScump on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @03:46AM (#17398632)
Chili's has a table kiosk. It would be fine but for the fact that many deviations (including Chili's own gift cards) fail without explanation, requiring manager intervention. And the manager inevitably fails to process the promos (free drink or chips), requiring another intervention (e.g. splitting the promo items to another check, then comping it).

Every single egift card fails. And the bonus cards don't even have QRcodes, and there is no way for the patron to enter them. It's just stupid.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by notyourday on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:07AM (#17399847)
> Waitstaff-less high-end restaurants expand the audience and frequency of visits of people who can now enjoy these better-than-Chipotle dining experiences.

Better-than-Chipotle dining experience is not a definition of a high-end restaurant. You at most hit the bistro-class.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by lostinLA on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @06:32PM (#17404483)
Wow. This comment is super hilarious!
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by closeparen on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:26AM (#17398324)
If the wait staff had smartphones with Square, they could save two roundtrips to the table. Those readers aren’t even expensive.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by 67_45 on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:38PM (#17396031)
This is not a substantive comment to make but calculating a tip is very easy. 15 percent of course is that standard amount. That is 10 percent plus 5 percent. Finding ten percent is as easy as moving the decimal over one place. If the bill is 15.69 ten percent of that is one dollar and 56 cents. Call it 1.50. we know that five percent is half of ten, so just divide that number in half and add it. So half of 1.50 is .75 and 1.50 plus .75 is 2.25. it's very easy.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by hsitz on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:17PM (#17396306)
Maybe it's because I'm in the 50+ age category, but I think tips are confusing for a different reason. Yes, of course, it's trivial to calculate a percentage of an amount. The confusion is in deciding what percentage to give.

15% - 20% is standard, and always has been, for a full service, sit down restaurant. The tip makes some sense, based on the service given to you, some level of tip being roughly commensurate with the amount of service.

But what percentage am I supposed to tip in a restaurant where I order at a counter, bus my own table, and merely have someone bring the order to my table? (FWIW, some McDonalds now do this, yet nobody would ever tip at McDonalds.) What about if they come around and fill my water? What if I order at a counter but they still bus my table?

Moreover, in many places (coffee shops, ice cream shops) there is no wait service at all, the person at the counter merely draws a coffee or scoops some ice cream, yet tips are apparently still expected. Am I really supposed to tip 15% just for someone to scoop me an ice cream cone? Which leads me to another question that has bothered me since way back in the day: Why are bartenders tipped so richly simply for pouring a drink?

15-20% has long been standard for full-service. For lesser service I don't understand why anybody would be expected to tip the same amount. Am I missing something? I gather the younger generation might not think of things in these terms, but why not?

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by ryandrake on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:07PM (#17396594)
I’m surprised that you are 50+ and are saying 15-20% “has always” been the standard for sit down full service. I am 40+ and distinctly remember when it was 10%. Then little by little it seemed to morph into 10-15%, then 10%ers were seen as cheap and it was 15%. Then some restaurants would “suggest” 15-18%. Now, just yesterday I was in a restaurant where they pre-calculated 18%, 19%, and 20%. It’s been inflating all my life, for no logical, discernible reason.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Felz on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:30PM (#17396713)
I assume it's a convenient form of the holy grail of suppliers everywhere: price discrimination.

If you can afford a big tip, and social mechanisms shame you into giving it, then great! The restaurant makes a lot of profit.

If you can't, then the restaurant can still make a small profit off serving you anyway.

As for why it'd increase over time... maybe that's just an effect of people getting a bit richer, but the marginal cost of serving a meal not so much?

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by baby on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:21PM (#17396655)
Simpler: never tip a percentage. Tip a fixed amount. It makes no sense to me to pay more because I ordered a more expensive dish.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by paulddraper on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:03AM (#17397980)
That's like saying a real estate agent should make $8k regardless of what property they sell.

You could argue that, but only by ignoring practical matters of effort/level of service/value that attends a different price.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Latteland on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @05:54PM (#17404292)
The fact that real estate agents are paid by percentage is the most ridiculous thing ever. I'm done with that. Pay 60k commission sales fee on your million dollar house? Houses sell in one week or less where I live. There's literally no reason to pay that money.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Retra on Monday June 25, 2018 @11:18PM (#17397636)
It's not really about how expensive of a dish you order, but about how fancy the restaurant is and how many people you bring with you.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by baby on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @04:55AM (#17398904)
You’re tipping the waiter so that he can make a decent wage, you’re not tipping the waiter so that he can make a fancy wage because his fancy restAurant doesn’t pay him/her. The number of people should also not influence your individual tip.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by GauntletWizard on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:23PM (#17396669)
The logical-but-not-discernable reason is that the cost of food has gone down as a percentage of income, but the cost of labor has not, and restaurants have used guilt as a tactic to push more and more of those labor costs onto the consumer.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by dragonwriter on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:05PM (#17396915)
> I’m surprised that you are 50+ and are saying 15-20% “has always” been the standard for sit down full service. I am 40+ and distinctly remember when it was 10%.

I'm 40+, and when I was in elementary school, pretty much every source I encountered was consistent with 15% as the norm, 20% as a reward for exceptional service, 10% as a signal for tolerable but substandard service, and anything lower as a signal of “abysmal service and I'm only tipping to let you know that I did not forget about the tip to avoid ambiguity.”

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by NoGravitas on Wednesday June 27, 2018 @09:27AM (#17407919)
Yes, this is consistent with my memories as well.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by s73v3r_ on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:28PM (#17396705)
Likely because cost of living has been inflating, and yet the restaurants aren't raising the wages of their workers.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by cbhl on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:33PM (#17396730)
Honestly, in SF, I'm confused that tips aren't like 50%-200%.

I pay $3600/month in rent for a studio. So you need like $120/day post-tax in order to just make rent (and 2-3x that to qualify for the lease in the first place). So let's say you need $300/day in tips to live here. (That works out to about 109.5k/year -- a respectable entry-level tech salary, but that would be just above the poverty line in SF if you were trying to support a family of four on it.)

Suppose that you have a ramen restaurant that's only open for dinner, seats 29, always has a line out the door, has a cycle time of half an hour, is open for 6 hours a night, and has three servers. Assuming 100% of seats are full (let's say you're the best ramen place in town), that means that each server will get tips from 116 customers a night on a $14 bowl of ramen. To make $300/day, you need an average $2.59 tip on the $14 bowl of ramen for the server alone (never mind any haircut for back staff/tip sharing/the owner takes some to cover fixed costs of the restaurant). $2.59/$14 works out to 18.5%.

In a world where entire apartments in the Mission cost $500/month, sure, you can tip 10% on a meal. But given market rate rents in SF now, the math of a 10% tip just doesn't add up.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Kalium on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:46PM (#17396825)
If 50%-200% becomes The New Normal and what was be a $8 sandwich becomes a $30 meal (taxes, tip, Healthy SF)... then I'm afraid I'm just not going to eat out at all.

That'll help a struggling service industry worker make ends meet, right?

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Realistically, odds are our hypothetical service industry worker isn't paying a market rate for a studio in the Mission. It's much more likely they're rooming with others in some fashion, and their monthly rent is at most half of $3600. And likely doing the traditional thing and under-reporting cash tip income by a non-trivial margin.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by intended on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @12:36AM (#17397887)
The point is that the rational worker would have left anyway - anything below the lower level to fund existence means it’s already a losing job.

You pay higher to have waiters in the first place.

Essentially, the story of SF is the story of no high density housing.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by eanzenberg on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:14PM (#17396969)
I dont agree that servers deserve that much above the median pay for this area.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by timcederman on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @02:38AM (#17398379)
Waiters in SF get paid minimum wage in addition to tips.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by phil21 on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @08:22AM (#17399934)
> Which leads me to another question that has bothered me since way back in the day: Why are bartenders tipped so richly simply for pouring a drink?

This and delivery from a shop you order often from are the only form of tipping that makes any sort of sense whatsoever to me (at least common forms of tipping).

It's bribery so you get good service the next time. At a busy bar it's worth every dime to tip 100% that first drink and then a dollar or two after that. You will jump the 10 deep line at the bar no problem.

Same goes for food delivery - get to know the couple drivers at the local Thai place and be known as a great tipper - you'll get service above and beyond.

Any other tipping seems like it's utterly pointless as a consumer. Why tip after the fact - typically at 15-20% for merely acceptable service. Even if I'm a heavy tipper, the server has zero way to know it so I get just as good of service as anyone else.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by refurb on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:56PM (#17396541)
When i’m doing all the work and someone at the counter just hands me food, they get a token $1 tip. If everything goes well.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by mjevans on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:40PM (#17396048)
Part of the problem here is the 'tradition' of tips being a portion of the staff's wage.

I'd prefer to see the 'tip' build in to the prices, workers paid a living wage, and any tip being purely an optional thing for great service.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by refurb on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:57PM (#17396545)
I think if you asked a lot of server’s they prefer the below-minimum wage based plus tips to a “living wage”.

I know plenty of servers who pull in an equivalent hourly wage of $30 on a good night. They’d get screwed if tips went away and they were paid a living wage of $20 per hour.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by mjevans on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:11PM (#17396611)
There are also the performers that do very well, compared to the vast swaths of starving artist types.

If there is a minimum wage, no field should have an exception for it; that includes the labor working at places that aren't having a busy night with expensive meals.

This is also about benefiting the customers; simple transparent pricing. No variable things added later. I also want /taxes/ to be included in the advertised price (at least on the local menus; national / widely targeted ads should include large text disclaimers)

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by cglace on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:20PM (#17396650)
They get paid minimum wage if their wage + tips do not equal minimum wage.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by mjevans on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:29PM (#17396706)
My customer facing time was in a different industry, HOWEVER, that is not what I heard.

The jist was that the /minimum/ wage was what the worker was required to take home, tips inclusive, and that if they couldn't clear that bar (the restaurant had to pay them more) they were retrained and/or otherwise moved around until they either could or quit on their own.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by cglace on Thursday June 28, 2018 @12:57PM (#17418584)
Sure, they may be fired or moved around. However it's the law that they must make at least minimum wage for the hours worked.

https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by patient_zero on Monday June 25, 2018 @10:55PM (#17397574)
subjective experience here. i was once a server, and I'd have greatly preferred a living wage plus token tips.

the worst part being the loophole around minimum wage is that it incentivizes the widespread practice of tip pooling by restaurant owners.

nowadays when you tip your waiter you're also tipping the busser, foodrunner, hostess (and with the recent law change allowing it, the line cook).

it is too easily used as a tool to skirt wage laws by making every employee a tipped one.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by s73v3r_ on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:30PM (#17396715)
And there are plenty of servers who get absolutely fucked by this system. They don't make nearly that amount in tips, and despite the law saying otherwise, most restaurants won't make up the difference. Wage theft is very common in that industry.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by FireBeyond on Monday June 25, 2018 @11:48PM (#17397734)
And there are many who make far above the IRS assumed wages for cash/tip based incomes who definitely do not declare that.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by biztos on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:42PM (#17396452)
15 percent is most definitely not the standard amount in San Francisco, unless you want some stink-eye with your dessert.

In fact I don't think there's anywhere in California where 15 percent is considered normal anymore. Where I'm from (small town) nobody will be offended if you tip 15%, because you're more likely to be poor than cheap. But even there, 15% is undertipping in 2018.

The math is the smallest part of the tipping problem, IMO.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Retric on Monday June 25, 2018 @05:47PM (#17396097)
Except you did not actually calculate 15% which would be 2.35.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by 67_45 on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:00PM (#17396565)
That was intentional when I rounded off 6 cents.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by Retric on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @06:29AM (#17399341)
You mean 10 cents. A little more than 6 * 1.5
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by cpeterso on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:26PM (#17396358)
I approximate a 20% tip by rounding up the (post-tax) total to the next $5 increment and then dividing by 5, e.g. $123.45 bill -> $25 tip.

Alternately, in cities with ~8-10% sales tax, you can double the sales tax and round up.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by jimmaswell on Monday June 25, 2018 @08:29PM (#17397034)
Why all this work? Just multiply by two and move the decimal to the left. 54 -> 108 -> 10.8. 37 -> 74 -> 7.4.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by cpeterso on Tuesday June 26, 2018 @01:55PM (#17402688)
Everyone's brain works differently. :) I find division towards smaller numbers easier than multiplication towards larger numbers.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by austenallred on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:24PM (#17396343)
...your math is wrong, so maybe it's not that easy after all
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by hakcermani on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:38PM (#17396767)
Personally for me easier is looking at the halfway point between 10% and 20%. So for 15.69 it would approximately be between 1.5 and 3.1 (1.5 + 1.6/2) = 2.3