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Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by refurb on Monday June 25, 2018 @06:57PM (#17396545)
I think if you asked a lot of server’s they prefer the below-minimum wage based plus tips to a “living wage”.

I know plenty of servers who pull in an equivalent hourly wage of $30 on a good night. They’d get screwed if tips went away and they were paid a living wage of $20 per hour.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by mjevans on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:11PM (#17396611)
There are also the performers that do very well, compared to the vast swaths of starving artist types.

If there is a minimum wage, no field should have an exception for it; that includes the labor working at places that aren't having a busy night with expensive meals.

This is also about benefiting the customers; simple transparent pricing. No variable things added later. I also want /taxes/ to be included in the advertised price (at least on the local menus; national / widely targeted ads should include large text disclaimers)

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by cglace on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:20PM (#17396650)
They get paid minimum wage if their wage + tips do not equal minimum wage.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by mjevans on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:29PM (#17396706)
My customer facing time was in a different industry, HOWEVER, that is not what I heard.

The jist was that the /minimum/ wage was what the worker was required to take home, tips inclusive, and that if they couldn't clear that bar (the restaurant had to pay them more) they were retrained and/or otherwise moved around until they either could or quit on their own.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by cglace on Thursday June 28, 2018 @12:57PM (#17418584)
Sure, they may be fired or moved around. However it's the law that they must make at least minimum wage for the hours worked.

https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by patient_zero on Monday June 25, 2018 @10:55PM (#17397574)
subjective experience here. i was once a server, and I'd have greatly preferred a living wage plus token tips.

the worst part being the loophole around minimum wage is that it incentivizes the widespread practice of tip pooling by restaurant owners.

nowadays when you tip your waiter you're also tipping the busser, foodrunner, hostess (and with the recent law change allowing it, the line cook).

it is too easily used as a tool to skirt wage laws by making every employee a tipped one.

Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by s73v3r_ on Monday June 25, 2018 @07:30PM (#17396715)
And there are plenty of servers who get absolutely fucked by this system. They don't make nearly that amount in tips, and despite the law saying otherwise, most restaurants won't make up the difference. Wage theft is very common in that industry.
Re:Restaurants are figuring out how to do without servers by FireBeyond on Monday June 25, 2018 @11:48PM (#17397734)
And there are many who make far above the IRS assumed wages for cash/tip based incomes who definitely do not declare that.