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Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by vinniejames on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:52AM (#16761870)
We did replace it, almost 10 years ago. It was called Diaspora[1], no one cared about privacy then. No one really cares about privacy now, at least not enough to do anything about it.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(social_network)

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by Jean-Philipe on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:29AM (#16762680)
Diaspora is actually worse for privacy, because of its distributed nature. Diaspora is about distributed ownership. If you value privacy in a social network, check out https://github.com/ssbc/patchwork
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by soapdog on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:50AM (#16765396)
Hey I Love Scuttlebutt, I am actually writing a client for it. But I don't think the objective here is privacy. If I follow you on ssb, I will start replicating your feed (unless you block me), and all you post publicly will be in my own HD which I could use to generate some "intelligence". There are no incentives in ssb for those marketing type actions we see on FB and Twitter but we can still mine it. Of course your private communication is private, but the public feed is very public.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by fenwick67 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:47AM (#16765960)
SSB does support encrypted private messaging, notably.

You could send a private message to a group of (7 or fewer) friends and then only they could open it.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by soapdog on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:31AM (#16773044)
yes and as far as I know there is work being done to make private channels a thing. So in the near future, private conversation might be able to include more than 7 people.

I just have this feeling that people sometimes talk about SSB as if it is like "private by default" and thats not really the case, public feed is quite public (and I don't think that is bad).

I for example considered using private messages to myself as a diary. I know they will remain private.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by yndoendo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:48AM (#16765383)
IPV6 is really needed to create social media distribution with customized privacy. Example, use a smart phone as the actually distributing and access control system. This way a person can instantly block and know who is accessing their content too. End to end encryption communication with content distribution.

Of course this is more into the future when Cellular ISP are better with less strict data caps and better upload speeds along with not having to connection to Apple or Google or Amazon for Voice to Text / Command / Action solutions and smart phones actually have a viable storage capacity.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by agsamek on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:10PM (#16766763)
Please do not downvote this comment. It may not make technical sense for you but there is nothing wrong with the comment otherwise. The author has some vision and shared it with us.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by verylittlemeat on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:08AM (#16762543)
Man I remember the enthusiasm behind Diaspora like it was yesterday. I can still see in my minds eye that NYTimes article photo of the creators sitting around like they just invented cold fusion or something.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by anc84 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:03AM (#16763650)
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/12/nyregion/12about.html

I looked what they were up to now: Suicide, Snapchat, backerkit.com (crowdfunding related service), unknown.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by Joeboy on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:58AM (#16765480)
I think the hype was really thrust upon them by the breathless NYT article and the unexpectedly massive donations to their Kickstarter. They did their best to run with it, and were met with limited success and widespread vitriol that was not really deserved.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by marban on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:40AM (#16763021)
Allaire ColdFusion wasn't that big either ;)
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by 220V_USKettle on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:26PM (#16766327)
Still crankin' w' Lucee today, dude.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by tomcooks on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:38AM (#16762720)
It was not about privacy, it still isn't about privacy.

It's about usability, and the flocking to Mastodon when there are better options around is the proof of this theory of mine.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by jug on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:10AM (#16763685)
Yes. It's absolutely about four simple steps:

1. Going to a mobile-first website or app.

2. Clicking a link.

3. Typing in your new e-mail and password.

4. Being able to add anyone in the world as friends.

It cannot be about local "hubs" vs the global "public" / federation, being forced to make that distinction would feel like a step backwards for the users. It can be distributed in the back end, but not in the front end.

It also needs to look beautiful.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:49AM (#16764359)
I'd say Reddit is good evidence that the beauty element is optional, for the goal of Many Users.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by criley2 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:51AM (#16764872)
Reddit is a perfect example of a tech-focused product for a minority of young, white, tech-oriented men (and a minority of others) that while it influences the outside world, is mainly invisible to it.

If you want to build a reddit, you'll never end up with a facebook, that's just reality, the target demo is completely different.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:30AM (#16765201)
According to Alexa stats, Reddit is 6th in the world and 4th in the US [0], while Facebook is 3rd and 3rd [1].

[0] https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/reddit.com

[1] https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by davvolun on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:17AM (#16765078)
I don't think that's true. I don't think I know anyone who doesn't at least occasionally use Reddit; my aunt told us a story at the family get-together that started "I saw this on AskReddit...".

Certainly anecdotal evidence, and I'm inclined to believe the largest user base may still match your description, but personally I feel like you're describing 4chan, not Reddit.

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Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by davvolun on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:17PM (#16768849)
1) It's anecdotal evidence, so I'm not trying to argue you're wrong with it; it's simply not convincing enough even to me to try to do so.

2) You're making a lot of assumptions. I can tell you without asking her that she has an account because she was talking about the subs she likes the most, such as AskReddit and IAmA.

As for commenting and contributing, she -- this specific person -- is extremely introverted (but not tech-savvy -- I know because "family tech support"), so I would be inclined to think not. As for asking her any of those questions, because she is introverted, I don't feel comfortable asking her -- she definitely doesn't want to hear she was being talked about on the internet, even anonymously.

One thought though...I think you have to look at the way she started the discussion "I saw this on AskReddit..." not I saw this on Reddit, or "the internet, this site called Reddit", that sort of thing. She not only expected us (of which I am probably the most tech-savvy and near to the youngest) to understand wtf she was talking about, but to understand she was talking about a subreddit. And I know one person (looking at my mother-in-law) who had no clue, but there were other people probably 5-15 years older than me who did at least a passable job of looking like they understood.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by 908087 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:33AM (#16765233)
If that was the case, I wouldn't expect to see so much objectively false information treated as fact and massively upvoted in subs such as /r/technology. Reddit's user base might enjoy the belief that it is technically skilled and knowledgeable, but that isn't at all the reality of the situation in my experiences.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by criley2 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:45PM (#16766514)
They ARE technically knowledgeable for the 16-21 year old average demographic.

Go compare a reddit technology thread to a youtube comment section. Big difference in writing quality, avg length of post, use of source and data, etc.

You probably outgrew their age demo and realized that smart 18 year olds are still dumbasses.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:58PM (#16767908)
> Go compare a reddit technology thread to a youtube comment section. Big difference in writing quality, avg length of post, use of source and data, etc.

While I think this is generally a valid point, I also suspect there's quite a bit of When in Rome effect in play. Uninformed r/Technology posters may step their game up to match the consensus style, while informed Youtube users may feel a bit of pressure to dress down.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by nine_k on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:00PM (#16767932)
I see two assumptions:

(1) Everyone's identity is their email.

(2) The person whose email you're typing in has already signed in to the service (or meta-service if it's a federation), and agrees to communicate with you.

If you squint just right, this exact thing already exists; it's called email, and adding to friends means adding to a mail list.

I wonder why there were no (known to me) attempts to actually use the email infrastructure (fast, reliable, ubiquitous, near zero-cost) to distribute social network updates. It could use a custom pretty frontend app that makes posting or reading updates easier than e.g. gmail.

(As a bonus point, the actual emails can be reasonably human-friendly, as an extra archive of all of your updates.)

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by zaarn on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:26AM (#16771797)
EMail has it's problems. ~~Abusing~~ Using it for social media updates doesn't sound like something Email can solve well.

It's not necessarily fast, delivery may take only 1 second but I've also had email take days until it was delivered successfully.

Reliability is meh, it has some resilience to services being offline for a bit, so I'll give you that.

The near-zero cost is also not quite true. It's only true if you sell your data to the provider of your choice, gmail or yahoo or AOL. If you want privacy on email, you'll have to pay for it, otherwise you pay by other means first.

There is a chat app that uses email to function, it also features encryption but IIRC the userbase is very small and last i tried it for testing, it did quite spam my inbox.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by pnutjam on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:45AM (#16763854)
Anybody check out https://mewe.com
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:49AM (#16764358)
> No spying. No cookies. No data sharing.

How do you stay logged in if there's no cookies?

It also looks like they try to do too much. Cure-alls cure nothing (thanks for the quip, Sawbones podcast!)

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:53AM (#16764393)
From their privacy page:

"We don’t track you personally and we never sell your personal data. Here is what we track: we track how users use our site in general so that we can make it better. We are monitoring traffic, usage activity, site performance, and we use general analytic tools so that we can improve your experience. We do not associate any of this data with you personally. We never sell or share your personally identifiable information unless required to do so by law."

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:00AM (#16764454)
Honestly it might have just been a first impression tripup. When you first visit the site it looks extremely busy then you scroll through the FAQ and they have a competitor to and "far superior to" slack, a competitor to Google Drive/Dropbox, obvious one is a competitor to Facebook

I'm going to give it a try but for the sole reason Tim Berners-Lee is an advisor[1] and seems to still vouch for it[2] 3 years on

[1] https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/590726480696573952

[2] https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/976553383564840962

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by cgoughnour on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:22PM (#16766872)
You can implement sessions with session ids in URLs in a relatively straightforward way.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:38PM (#16767047)
I was being somewhat pedantic in my previous reply, I realise they mean tracking cookies and the likes

As for putting session IDs in URLs I would not advise that in any way, that's one unsanitized href away from Google being logged in as and indexing your user's private account data if done badly and a nasty bout of session fixation if done less badly. More information here: https://security.stackexchange.com/a/14094

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by OldSchoolJohnny on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:40PM (#16768238)
> How do you stay logged in if there's no cookies?

In my mind, when I read HN comments, I assume all the people who post here know what I know and more but then there's a post that comes along that reminds me of the sheer gulf of knowledge that can exist even between people on such a speicalized site as this one.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:12PM (#16768451)
I'm glad I was able to bolster your ego with my plebeian mind. Have a great day :)
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by Sir_Substance on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:08AM (#16763132)
Diaspora (still!) doesn't do:

1. Chat (It could just integrate a javascript XMPP client and let people use whatever chat server they liked)

2. Event management and invites

When I suggest people leave Facebook, these are the things people complain there are no alternatives to.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by rebuilder on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:53AM (#16763610)
#2 is especially galling, as it's actually, to me, the only really compelling service Facebook provides.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by jhasse on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:51AM (#16763598)
> 2. Event management and invites

https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/issues/1359

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by dbbk on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:55PM (#16788688)
That issue has been open for 7 years... what is your point? To me that only demonstrates that the project is dead.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by jhasse on Monday April 09, 2018 @02:21AM (#16790826)
No point, just wanted to link to it.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by Joeboy on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:51AM (#16765406)
So via that link it looks like a PR that "adds event entities" was merged in January. Which sounds vaguely promising, although I'm not sure what it means in practice for end users.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by dbbk on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:44PM (#16788627)
I don't know what it's like in the US, but in the UK pretty much all of university social life is organised via Facebook Events and Groups. There literally is no other option available that people could move to, except for maybe Meetup.com, which would be a poor substitute.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:00AM (#16763958)
I get flashbacks to scrolling error messages whenever someone mentions Diaspora. Just horrible software to use if it ever had an issue. Great when starting but the maintenance time costs were too high

Nothing to do with not caring about privacy, I really did try to use it. Even had 100 users or so on my open instance.

It was on par with running a public email service. Not my circus.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by bamboozled on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:08AM (#16762854)
Really? I don't think so, it would be good if someone did a study on this though. Most people I know think privacy is important.

I do think people are communicating via other mediums more than before though. It's anecdotal but most of my family and friends just gravitate towards iMessage , Facetime and Telegram to communicate by default now.

Could it be that people don't care about this issue because they care about Facebook anymore? There are alternatives now, people will just use them more and more over time.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by jamesrcole on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:46AM (#16763580)
> Most people I know think privacy is important.

The question is, how representative are those people of the population at large?

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by unclebucknasty on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:59AM (#16763631)
>how representative are those people of the population at large?

Another question is whether people truly understand their privacy exposure? They know FB has some information on them because they submit it, but they don't know how much info in total (sites visited, location tracking, etc), how that data is combined/used, who has access to it, etc.

And, they assume that whatever FB is doing with their data must be OK/legal because laws.

I think that's what we saw with reactions to these recent revelations. When an inkling of the real privacy exposure surfaced, people freaked.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:57AM (#16764433)
And the follow-up question is, how much do they think it's important relative to other things?
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by Joeboy on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:14AM (#16765643)
> Most people I know think privacy is important.

Of course they do. What sort of person is going to tick the "I don't care about privacy" box? I guess the same kind of person that ticks the "I'm OK with mass extinction" box. Those opinions are not very relevant in the real world.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by erikpukinskis on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:28PM (#16770254)
Really? If I killed all the remaining snowy owls you’d see that as morally equivalent to treating all my data as discoverable? I don’t see it.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by Joeboy on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:47AM (#16771868)
No, I see ticking a box marked "I don't care about privacy" as comparable to ticking a box marked "I'm OK with mass extinction". In the sense that in theory nobody's outward preference is for invasion of privacy or mass extinction, but in practice few people are prepared to make changes that prevent those things.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by sitepodmatt on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:15AM (#16763174)
Similar story as app.net, the paid twitter replacement that was cool for 33 seconds, arguably poor naming though on both counts given one suggests something else and the second I have no idea how to pronounce.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by chillingeffect on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:23AM (#16763213)
I just joined yesterday.

It will take some time to wind it up. Even fb took a long time to build before it was relavant.

Nobody cared back then bc they hadn't felt they burn of foreign influence on our election.

And diaspora will have to grow. Even some basic things can improve the on boarding process. For example, uploading my profile was diverted due to a cap on picture upload size of 4.2 MB.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by on_and_off on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:21PM (#16770663)
>No one really cares about privacy now

I spoke with several non-tech people about the facebook fiasco.

The issue is that even a brilliant neurosurgeon does not understand the TOS he has signed with Facebook and what they entail.

Surely, there is some naïveté from people that don't expect facebook to do much with their data, but tech has also failed to teach users about this.

Even self proclaimed privacy champions routinely make you sign dozen of pages of ToS that are updated on a whim.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by rmc on Friday April 06, 2018 @03:57AM (#16771696)
This is why a contract should not be legally binding if it's unclear. I don't mean "clear to a lawyer", but what the common person, spending the standard, common amount of time, with the advice you expect them to have[1], would think of as "clear".

EU Data Protection law (like the GDPR) helps here, requiring informed consent. If you don't understand something, then you're not informed, and it shouldn't be binding.

[1] When (say) signing a form for surgery, the surgon can presume that the person has been advised by a doctor. When buying a house, you can presume a lawyer was involved, etc. When signing a ToS for Facebook, we all know there was no legal advice recieved.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by wink on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:41PM (#16769012)
There's "I care about privacy" and "I have a bunch reasons to dislike Diaspora, so I won't use it".

Not speaking for everyone, of course - but I know a lot of people who didn't like it for one reason or another.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by bsenftner on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:24AM (#16764127)
They were "selected" because they were likely to fail, gave pithy interviews, and were young and hopeful. Facebook even gave them $50K - that is not competition, that is coddling a child.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by noobermin on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:18AM (#16761998)
I think people care a lot more today than they used too. The problem is people use facebook because they have to.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by obstacle1 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:39AM (#16763820)
>The problem is people use facebook because they have to.

It's remarkable how common this opinion is given its obvious shallowness. Nobody has to use Facebook. What are the consequences of not? You can't chat with your friends or view their selfies or see event listings. Or rather to do these things, you have to make an effort to use some other more private mode of communication like phone or in-person or classifieds or whatever. It's easier to use Facebook than to not.

That is an extremely far cry from "having to" use the service. The problem really is people are lazy, and use Facebook because it saves them time, effort, and energy. In most cases, people care about this saved energy more than they do their privacy.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by aninhumer on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:24AM (#16764129)
I wouldn't go quite as far as saying people "have to" use Facebook, but there are fairly significant social costs to someone who chooses not to.

Many people's friends communicate primarily via Facebook, and you can't just get around that by using phones and emails. People have discussions, invite people to events and post important life updates on Facebook. Often the primary communication mechanism for an organisation or even a local business will be Facebook. And they often won't re-circulate all that information via email just for the benefit of people who don't use it.

And yet people insist on trivialising these costs, and blaming individuals for this massive invasion of privacy because they chose not to incur these costs, rather than questioning the circumstances that have led to people feeling forced to make such a choice.

Do you really think the people who are having their privacy violated explicitly chose that trade off because they're "lazy"? Or do you think, presented with a choice between signing up to a seemingly innocuous helpful website, or encroaching social isolation as their friends start using it, they chose the former?

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by jopuwep12489 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:23AM (#16765140)
When I was in a band, the people promoting and organizing the shows didn't have email or phone numbers. Seriously. I'd ask. It was all college kids who couldn't afford a phone plan, so they just used public wifi + facebook messenger. Email was apparently not cool enough for them, or too difficult to use.

So to get gigs, I had to make a Facebook account. Granted, I tried to put as little as possible on it.

Until very recently, a few friends had me trapped their too. They couldn't pay their phone bill. So no texts or calls. Would just steal wifi from some store, use Facebook messenger. I harassed them to get email, IRC, anything else. But they couldn't be bothered to learn those things.

I know this sounds like the stupidest thing ever. It reminds me of people taking out payday loans or going to check cashing places, because they're too poor to go to the bank.

Anyway, two of them finally got phone numbers, so Facebook is deleted now.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by russdpale on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:22AM (#16771785)
Holy moly. Who doesn't want to learn email....? People are so lazy!!
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by noobermin on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:55AM (#16763925)
You really read my comment in the worst possible light. No one has to use facebook but so many people connect through it that there are social costs to not using it. If people want to connect with you, you can't use messenger or groups, bam, that cuts off a lot of your connection with others.

I didn't mean that using facebook is a requirement for life and I'm not sure why your first inclination is to read others' comments that way.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by aaron-lebo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:39AM (#16762109)
If people really cared about their privacy they wouldn't broadcast their personal lives to millions of people (see social media). Until that's corrected (how do you get out of that social cycle where you have to market and yell louder than everyone else?), it's going to continue.

People are mad at FB the same way people get mad when they realize they've been in manipulative relationships, but I'm not sure many people really want to accept that they gave into that despite all the warning signs that have been there for years and it's their own actions which enabled FB to be what it is.

Some of the issue is the belief that anyone really needs FB. We've conditioned ourselves into it, but you don't need it any more than you need TV.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by hellofunk on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:03AM (#16763373)
> If people really cared about their privacy they wouldn't broadcast their personal lives to millions of people

Most FB users certainly do not expect that they are sending out their photos and opinions and chats to millions of people. They have a circle of friends and family that they think are behind a wall called their network, and that circle is usually a few hundred people or less.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by losvedir on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:53AM (#16763609)
To be clear, that's accurate, right? They're not sending their photos and opinions out to millions of people. As far as I know, this whole Cambridge Analytica thing was about profile data, not messages or photos.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by Joeboy on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:12PM (#16766205)
> People are mad at FB the same way people get mad when they realize they've been in manipulative relationships

To run with the simile, maybe some people remain in abusive relationships because of a reasonable fear that leaving will have consequences that are worse than staying.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by wdr1 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:52AM (#16766017)
+1

In reality, people aren't upset about privacy. They're upset Trump won.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by silverbax88 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @11:58AM (#16766079)
They're not upset about privacy, they're upset the election was stolen. They didn't care when those of us with experience in election issues brought this up 20 years ago, they didn't care in 2000, they didn't care until suddenly a pretend-billionaire reality star stole an election.

As soon as they can get rid of him, they will go back to not caring, even though it's more dangerous than ever and we've been telling them for decades.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by georgeecollins on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:05PM (#16766130)
It's not fair to say they don't care about privacy when by in large when they are surrendering it they are not aware. The average person has a very low awareness of the long term implications to the loss of privacy and how affect say, their chances of getting a job, or getting the best price for a product. But they will figure it out.

When I read about the Cambridge Analitica story I was kind of shocked anyone was surprised by what they are doing. I have seen companies hoover up data from Facebook in a similar way so I have always understood that under their old ToS any friend could give away your data by participating in an app. It had been like that for a long time (they changed the ToS-- I believe in 2015). That seemed terrible to me, years ago. The fact that it took people so long to be shocked about it just shows that their is going to be a long lag between when these things happen and when popular consciousness catches up with the implications.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by md2be on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:05PM (#16766139)
This is typical NYT writing articles that support its one agenda. if we need to replace something it’s the nyt
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by komali2 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:11PM (#16766191)
>one agenda

Can you clarify what you believe the New York Times' agenda is, as demonstrated by this opinion piece article, and how "Tim Wu, law professor at Columbia," has been employed to propagate the NYT agenda?

Also, why should the NYT be replaced, and what should it be replaced by?