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Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by jug on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:10AM (#16763685)
Yes. It's absolutely about four simple steps:

1. Going to a mobile-first website or app.

2. Clicking a link.

3. Typing in your new e-mail and password.

4. Being able to add anyone in the world as friends.

It cannot be about local "hubs" vs the global "public" / federation, being forced to make that distinction would feel like a step backwards for the users. It can be distributed in the back end, but not in the front end.

It also needs to look beautiful.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:49AM (#16764359)
I'd say Reddit is good evidence that the beauty element is optional, for the goal of Many Users.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by criley2 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:51AM (#16764872)
Reddit is a perfect example of a tech-focused product for a minority of young, white, tech-oriented men (and a minority of others) that while it influences the outside world, is mainly invisible to it.

If you want to build a reddit, you'll never end up with a facebook, that's just reality, the target demo is completely different.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:30AM (#16765201)
According to Alexa stats, Reddit is 6th in the world and 4th in the US [0], while Facebook is 3rd and 3rd [1].

[0] https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/reddit.com

[1] https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/facebook.com

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by davvolun on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:17AM (#16765078)
I don't think that's true. I don't think I know anyone who doesn't at least occasionally use Reddit; my aunt told us a story at the family get-together that started "I saw this on AskReddit...".

Certainly anecdotal evidence, and I'm inclined to believe the largest user base may still match your description, but personally I feel like you're describing 4chan, not Reddit.

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Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by davvolun on Thursday April 05, 2018 @05:17PM (#16768849)
1) It's anecdotal evidence, so I'm not trying to argue you're wrong with it; it's simply not convincing enough even to me to try to do so.

2) You're making a lot of assumptions. I can tell you without asking her that she has an account because she was talking about the subs she likes the most, such as AskReddit and IAmA.

As for commenting and contributing, she -- this specific person -- is extremely introverted (but not tech-savvy -- I know because "family tech support"), so I would be inclined to think not. As for asking her any of those questions, because she is introverted, I don't feel comfortable asking her -- she definitely doesn't want to hear she was being talked about on the internet, even anonymously.

One thought though...I think you have to look at the way she started the discussion "I saw this on AskReddit..." not I saw this on Reddit, or "the internet, this site called Reddit", that sort of thing. She not only expected us (of which I am probably the most tech-savvy and near to the youngest) to understand wtf she was talking about, but to understand she was talking about a subreddit. And I know one person (looking at my mother-in-law) who had no clue, but there were other people probably 5-15 years older than me who did at least a passable job of looking like they understood.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by 908087 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @10:33AM (#16765233)
If that was the case, I wouldn't expect to see so much objectively false information treated as fact and massively upvoted in subs such as /r/technology. Reddit's user base might enjoy the belief that it is technically skilled and knowledgeable, but that isn't at all the reality of the situation in my experiences.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by criley2 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:45PM (#16766514)
They ARE technically knowledgeable for the 16-21 year old average demographic.

Go compare a reddit technology thread to a youtube comment section. Big difference in writing quality, avg length of post, use of source and data, etc.

You probably outgrew their age demo and realized that smart 18 year olds are still dumbasses.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @02:58PM (#16767908)
> Go compare a reddit technology thread to a youtube comment section. Big difference in writing quality, avg length of post, use of source and data, etc.

While I think this is generally a valid point, I also suspect there's quite a bit of When in Rome effect in play. Uninformed r/Technology posters may step their game up to match the consensus style, while informed Youtube users may feel a bit of pressure to dress down.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by nine_k on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:00PM (#16767932)
I see two assumptions:

(1) Everyone's identity is their email.

(2) The person whose email you're typing in has already signed in to the service (or meta-service if it's a federation), and agrees to communicate with you.

If you squint just right, this exact thing already exists; it's called email, and adding to friends means adding to a mail list.

I wonder why there were no (known to me) attempts to actually use the email infrastructure (fast, reliable, ubiquitous, near zero-cost) to distribute social network updates. It could use a custom pretty frontend app that makes posting or reading updates easier than e.g. gmail.

(As a bonus point, the actual emails can be reasonably human-friendly, as an extra archive of all of your updates.)

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by zaarn on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:26AM (#16771797)
EMail has it's problems. ~~Abusing~~ Using it for social media updates doesn't sound like something Email can solve well.

It's not necessarily fast, delivery may take only 1 second but I've also had email take days until it was delivered successfully.

Reliability is meh, it has some resilience to services being offline for a bit, so I'll give you that.

The near-zero cost is also not quite true. It's only true if you sell your data to the provider of your choice, gmail or yahoo or AOL. If you want privacy on email, you'll have to pay for it, otherwise you pay by other means first.

There is a chat app that uses email to function, it also features encryption but IIRC the userbase is very small and last i tried it for testing, it did quite spam my inbox.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by pnutjam on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:45AM (#16763854)
Anybody check out https://mewe.com
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:49AM (#16764358)
> No spying. No cookies. No data sharing.

How do you stay logged in if there's no cookies?

It also looks like they try to do too much. Cure-alls cure nothing (thanks for the quip, Sawbones podcast!)

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by catach on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:53AM (#16764393)
From their privacy page:

"We don’t track you personally and we never sell your personal data. Here is what we track: we track how users use our site in general so that we can make it better. We are monitoring traffic, usage activity, site performance, and we use general analytic tools so that we can improve your experience. We do not associate any of this data with you personally. We never sell or share your personally identifiable information unless required to do so by law."

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @09:00AM (#16764454)
Honestly it might have just been a first impression tripup. When you first visit the site it looks extremely busy then you scroll through the FAQ and they have a competitor to and "far superior to" slack, a competitor to Google Drive/Dropbox, obvious one is a competitor to Facebook

I'm going to give it a try but for the sole reason Tim Berners-Lee is an advisor[1] and seems to still vouch for it[2] 3 years on

[1] https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/590726480696573952

[2] https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/976553383564840962

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by cgoughnour on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:22PM (#16766872)
You can implement sessions with session ids in URLs in a relatively straightforward way.
Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:38PM (#16767047)
I was being somewhat pedantic in my previous reply, I realise they mean tracking cookies and the likes

As for putting session IDs in URLs I would not advise that in any way, that's one unsanitized href away from Google being logged in as and indexing your user's private account data if done badly and a nasty bout of session fixation if done less badly. More information here: https://security.stackexchange.com/a/14094

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by OldSchoolJohnny on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:40PM (#16768238)
> How do you stay logged in if there's no cookies?

In my mind, when I read HN comments, I assume all the people who post here know what I know and more but then there's a post that comes along that reminds me of the sheer gulf of knowledge that can exist even between people on such a speicalized site as this one.

Re:Don’t Fix Facebook, Replace It by corobo on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:12PM (#16768451)
I'm glad I was able to bolster your ego with my plebeian mind. Have a great day :)