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Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by mrfusion on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:32PM (#16757555)
Wild eyed idea. Could we run a cable across this. Have it turn a gear. Then gear it up to a one million to one ratio and turn a giant generator with the motion?

Free continental drift power?

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by marshray on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:51PM (#16757718)
I love this idea, but the speed of separation is just a couple of cm per year. Unless the cable had absolutely no temperature expansion, weather changes would probably have a far greater effect on cable length than the imperceptible drift of the endpoints (which suggests another crazy idea interesting in its own right).

One might build this deep underground to minimize temperature changes and provide the hard rock anchor points necessary for the forces involved.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by sannee on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:16PM (#16758591)
> weather changes would probably have a far greater effect on cable length than the imperceptible drift of the endpoints (which suggests another crazy idea interesting in its own right)

There is a clock running for over a century based on a similar idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverly_Clock

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by userbinator on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @11:07PM (#16761463)
...and the commercial version, which is still in production:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmos_clock

Not cheap (few k$), but not as expensive as some other high-end timepieces either.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by NegativeLatency on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:46PM (#16758286)
Go deep enough and you might as well just build a geothermal power plant.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by theandrewbailey on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:33PM (#16758755)
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by nojvek on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:47PM (#16770087)
Kenya generates 47% of power from geothermal and 35% from hydro. For a third world country, it’s quite greener than most developed nations. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/23/business/geothermal-en...

I do hope Kenya gets a electric car boom, because all of it’s fuel is imported. Solar + other methods could power the whole economy with relative ease. Being on equator means plenty of sun throughout the year.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by deadmetheny on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:52PM (#16758366)
Which would have the side effect of actually generating power!
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by avz on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:22PM (#16758644)
> Unless the cable had absolutely no temperature expansion...

One might be able to get a composite with very close to zero thermal expansion coefficient by linking stages made of materials with positive and negative [1] coefficients.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_thermal_expansion

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by jmharvey on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:44AM (#16761837)
You don't even need to use exotic materials with negative thermal expansion: instead, you can use a combination of materials with different coefficients of thermal expansion pointed in opposite directions. This was one of the innovations that John Harrison made that allowed him to make precision timepieces.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridiron_pendulum

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by z3t4 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:26AM (#16762942)
You could use a couple of anchors so that when it only moves 1mm the end attached to the gear would move several meters. Where the gear is really huge which makes the small gear spin faster. But it might still be too slow.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by IdiocyInAction on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:43PM (#16757651)
Seems like someone already had that idea, atleast for the continental shelf: https://patents.google.com/patent/US8258638
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by SteveNuts on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:41PM (#16757638)
Something with that much gear ratio would essentially be locked. It would most likely just tear the mechanism apart before it did any actual work.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by agumonkey on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:37PM (#16758177)
Then a thousands of them over the split with a thousands less ratio :P
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by jacquesm on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:07PM (#16757865)
You'd stand a better chance to get that to work by using hydraulic pistons that are used to compress a working fluid using an appropriately placed lever.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by pvg on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:50PM (#16760053)
There’s lots of other ‘free’ and ‘infinite’ energy around that is much easier to collect. You could go to the moon and make strawberry jam and then market it as ‘Space Jam’ but it’s simpler and cheaper to skip the whole moon part.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by deadmetheny on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:42PM (#16757641)
Considering the drift is occurring at a rate of a couple millimetres a year...no.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by rplnt on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:17AM (#16762900)
With high enough gearing that is plenty. The issue is we are not capable of building strong enough gears.
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Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by dang on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:48PM (#16758904)
Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, which ask you not to snark or to post shallow dismissals.

A good version of this comment would explain what's wrong with the original idea, so that readers who don't know could learn something.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by marshray on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:34PM (#16758768)
Physics taught me that all pulleys are frictionless.

Mechanical Engineering may find some issues with it though...

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Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by krastanov on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:55PM (#16758388)
Or you both can consider stepping down from your high horses. It is a fun tongue-in-cheek idea, and the author explicitly mentioned the need for a gearbox. I am teaching physics and I will probably use this example in a lesson soon, because it is actually interesting to discuss why this idea would not work in practice (in principle all you need is indeed just a perfect gearbox).
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by vmarquet on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:59PM (#16759013)
lemonde.fr published an article [1] yesterday, in which they debunk this news. A seismologist at Southampton University says [2] that it's unrelated to the rifting.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QJ8MmbAC_o (in French)

[2] https://twitter.com/seismo_steve/status/977258571716091904

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by xbryanx on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:42PM (#16757640)
Lots of people don’t realize that North America almost did this same thing about a billion years ago. Check out the failed rift zone called the Midcontinent Rift. Ever curious why Lake Superior is shaped like that? MCR ground zero.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midcontinent_Rift_System

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by delecti on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:49PM (#16757699)
What about how Lake Superior is shaped indicates anything weird is going on?
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by mirimir on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @09:44PM (#16761078)
I was also going to mention that.

Also, it displays the same equiangular vertex of three rifts that we see with the Arabian, Nubian and Somalian plates. Which you also see in oxide scum on molten lead. Or on oatmeal, just before it's ready.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by anc84 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @06:58AM (#16763628)
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by lainga on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:54PM (#16757740)
Does this also explain the extended butte-and-valley terrain in the Southwest?
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by njarboe on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:05PM (#16757840)
The butte-and-valley terrain, as you called it, is more from the uplift and slow erosion of a large area called the Colorado Plateau. The various sediments deposited on and off over a billion years or so have different erosion rates. When a thick, more weatherproof, sandstone overlies a more erodable shale you get those big cliffs and buttes.

The area covered by Nevada, on the other hand, is being pulled apart over the whole state. This creates what is called a basin and range topography. The extension is mostly east-west and you can see the ranges and valleys mostly are north-south due to this. Lots of geothermal there as the spreading rock allows hot rock from below to move close to the surface.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by phyller on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @09:17PM (#16760926)
Does anyone else think this is just erosion in the soil due to heavy rain? That's probably too boring of a story though. I think an earthquake that pulled the land apart that wide would be a major news event.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by ams6110 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:27PM (#16761295)
Seems very plausible. Roads in my area are currently full of wide cracks and holes that appeared seemingly overnight, as happens every spring.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by tomcooks on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:52AM (#16762785)
It's not evidence of continent splitting but of soil erosion, much like what is happening in Rome[0]

[0](http://www.lastampa.it/2018/02/14/italia/cronache/roma-si-ap...)

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by edf13 on Thursday April 05, 2018 @07:23AM (#16763756)
Probably not...

> and was accompanied by seismic activity in the area.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by rplnt on Thursday April 05, 2018 @04:21AM (#16762919)
Was this a sudden shift of several feet on the ground level (because the underlying ground was in tension for years)? Or how does a crack that big form? Is it even as big as the hole? I.e. if we were to measure from two points across the crack - did they move as much as the crack is wide?

Who would own the new land?

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by smoyer on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:11PM (#16759728)
"the South Atlantic ocean, which resulted from the break up of South America and Africa around 138m years ago – ever noticed how their coastlines match like pieces of the same puzzle?"

No I had not but now that I look at it it's so obvious. And wow!

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by arethuza on Thursday April 05, 2018 @03:38AM (#16762723)
One related fact that I love is that the Congo and the Amazon used to be the same river - the Amazon reversing flow when the Andes rose up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_by_age

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by blattimwind on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @06:32PM (#16759894)
Alfred Wegener noticed this about a hundred years ago and formulated that theory around this observation and some supporting evidence. However, until the 1950s and 1960s the why would they be moving? was wholly unanswered and Wegeners theories were not accepted until then.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by kzrdude on Thursday April 05, 2018 @01:52AM (#16762173)
It's remarkable how young that understanding is
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by tboyd47 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @07:45PM (#16760417)
They match, but only at a curvature slightly smaller than the Earth's curvature, spawning many theories about an expanding Earth in the early days of geology. Those theories have all now been debunked but they make for a fascinating read if you're into scientific rabbit holes.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by mirimir on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @09:49PM (#16761111)
Also the North Atlantic, but less clearly. Also Greenland and northeastern Canada. And Greenland and Norway, I think.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by hyperpallium on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @10:18PM (#16761256)
If it's rift due to plate separation, wouldn't the crack go down all the way to the mantle? Not the 20-30 feet seen in the video.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by lisper on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:01AM (#16761657)
It does, but in general when a rupture opens up at the surface, the side walls fail quickly and fill it in with loose material. It is only when a surface rupture is "fresh" that it looks as dramatic as this.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by hyperpallium on Thursday April 05, 2018 @12:26AM (#16761764)
Sure, the side walls fall in... but wouldn't that happen more easily near the surface, with loose topsoil, than for deeper rock? Meaning, that if the top part hadn't fallen in yet, the lower parts wouldn't have either.

Perhaps pressure with depth is a factor, tending to press the sides together. Amd the deeper material might not be rock, but e.g. sand or other loose material.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by lisper on Thursday April 05, 2018 @08:59AM (#16764446)
There isn't just one well-defined crack. Where the plates are separating there is a whole zone of material that is being pulled apart and cracking open. The current crack is just one of many many fissures in the rift zone. And the individual fissures are jagged and ziggy-zaggy, so even if they had clean sidewalls you still couldn't see straight down to the bottom.

Also, the crack is not filled in all the way to (near) the top. There are gaps and voids all the way down. The "bottom" that you see is just the first filled-in part. If you dug down you'd probably find more gaps. (I'm not 100% sure about this. I know about the mechanics of slip-strike faults because I live in California within walking distance of the San Andreas, but the African rift is different so I could be wrong about some of these details.)

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by _rpd on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @02:41PM (#16757632)
This well known process, which will play out over tens of millions of years, appears to be receiving media attention because ...

> A large crack, stretching several kilometres, made a sudden appearance recently in south-western Kenya. The tear, which continues to grow, caused part of the Nairobi-Narok highway to collapse and was accompanied by seismic activity in the area.

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by TomK32 on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:46PM (#16758289)
No-one's allowing East-Africa its 15 million years of fame...
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by mirimir on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @09:53PM (#16761138)
There was a previous flurry of media attention about the extreme geology in Djibouti and Ethiopia.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/02/travelnews.tra...

Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by Finnucane on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @08:49PM (#16760798)
I am imagining the copywriter fighting the urge to say "there's a rift in the Rift."
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by pxndx on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @03:46PM (#16758282)
That's literally the title of the article.
Re:Large crack in East African Rift is evidence of continent... by _rpd on Wednesday April 04, 2018 @04:38PM (#16758808)
If it hadn't gone through the highway, I doubt there would have been the flurry of "Africa splitting in two!" articles.