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Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:14PM (#14248995)
this rarely gets mentioned in these articles but it's extremely important. The Chinese food culture is substantially different than the Western food culture, and I don't just mean the items on the menu.

Chinese don't eat raw foods at all, and especially not vegetables, which they correctly (by the standards of Chinatown produce) view as being unsanitary until thoroughly cooked.

They have created a market that is efficient by eschewing the standards of sanitation that Western produce markets use. That's not to say that this is bad. Their food culture is fully adapted to it and it doesn't produce epidemics of food-borne illness in their community because they handle and cook food appropriately. The same approach wouldn't work if it was mostly Westerners buying the food though. A taste for raw baby kale salad makes this entire approach to food marketing non-viable.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by aardvark291 on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:39PM (#14249247)
Indeed, the linked article doesn't say anything about lack of sanitation, and almost implies the opposite.

»Imbruce, who's researched the Chinatown produce economy for over a decade, is the author of From Farm to Canal Street: Chinatown’s Alternative Food Network in the Global Marketplace. In the Journal she distills to Kadet the real reason Chinatown can keep prices low: “Chinatown’s 80-plus produce markets are cheap because they are connected to a web of small farms and wholesalers that operate independently of the network supplying most mainstream supermarkets.” While most of the rest of New York's markets get their produce from the Hunts Point Market in the Bronx, Chinatown sellers work directly with small neighborhood warehouses. Since they're operating in close geographic proximity, they can get fresh produce throughout the day from wholesalers, and therefore don’t need a store with refrigeration or a lot of storage space.«

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:45PM (#14249311)
they don't strictly need refrigeration because of rapid turnover (most of the inventory sells same day) and because the buyers are knowledgable about what condition the produce really is.

that said, if you've ever walked down Mott St. on a hot summer afternoon there will be no doubt in your nose that the produce isn't making the sanitation grade that you will find at Whole Foods.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by Alex3917 on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @04:42PM (#14250377)
> if you've ever walked down Mott St. on a hot summer afternoon there will be no doubt in your nose that the produce isn't making the sanitation grade that you will find at Whole Foods.

Are you sure what you're smelling isn't the fish markets or medicinal herb stores? Produce is produce, it doesn't smell like anything.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by GBond on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @04:58PM (#14250513)
fish gut refuge + hot air/sun does not mix well
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by gameshot911 on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @08:59PM (#14252199)
True. The parent comment was specifically referring to off produce, but I think what you mentioned plays a big factor too.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by batter on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @06:01PM (#14251024)
Just recently bought fish in Whole Foods. From store to home ~ 25 minutes. Just after that time fish was smelling awful. So i'm not buy fish anymore there.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by stcredzero on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:58PM (#14249460)
The Chinese food culture is substantially different than the Western food culture, and I don't just mean the items on the menu.

Things I've noticed about the particular Chinese food culture of my girlfriend: Ginger goes in Chicken soup. Garlic does not. Broccoli is only cooked until bright green. Black pepper is used, basically never. All vegetables are to be rinsed, even the things in Trader Joe's packages that say "Triple Washed, Ready to Use." Almost no claim on the package should be trusted, ever.

Meat is always well cooked. (And there are plenty of ways to make meat very tasty without having it be super-rare.)

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by contingencies on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @06:11PM (#14251100)
These are pretty good general rules of thumb. Interestingly the Vietnamese, by contrast, are very much in to rare meats.

Broccoli and other vegetables are cooked only slightly because it is considered wasteful of the natural qualities of the food to overcook it (and probably because it wastes fuel also, which is also the reason for everything being cut small before cooking).

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by digitalzombie on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @08:53PM (#14252176)
> Interestingly the Vietnamese, by contrast, are very much in to rare meats.

I blame the French.

Indochina happened.

The biggest evidence for this is Vietnamese word for beef is Bo. Which is a borrowed French word.

http://www.asian-central.com/stuffasianpeoplelike/2010/05/21...

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by contingencies on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @09:12PM (#14252243)
It does seem likely that bo is French boeuf-derived, but according to Wiktionary[0] the historical Vietnamese pronunciation of the Chinese character for beef (牛) was ngưu, ngọ, ngỏ, ngõ, ngâu. It is interesting that these are so similar to pan-Taic languages neua and Cantonese ngau.

[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E7%89%9B#Vietnamese

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by meric on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @01:20AM (#14253248)
Probably because two thousand plus years ago the area that is now called Guangdong, and the area that is now Vietnam, was inhabited by the same people; And then the Guangdong area was conquered by China. The people who lived in Guangdong inter-married with the Chinese migrating south and also had a lot of influence on Cantonese. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southward_expansion_of_the_Han...

Vietnam is "Yue-nam" in Chinese, and Cantonese is "Yue-yu" in Chinese, whose literal meaning is "Language of Yue".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by SilverCurve on Thursday May 04, 2017 @12:12PM (#14265985)
Vietnamese here. I don't think your explanation is correct.

First, most of the Viet-Cantonese words are likely brought by Chinese migration since the 15th century. When the Ming dynasty fell, many Chinese fled to South Vietnam and helped Viet people annex that land from the Cambodians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoa_people

Second, tt's true that we "might" have lots of connections with the ancient Yue people, but this is still in debate. Just like the Romans called everyone on the other side of the Rhine "Germans", the Chinese of 2000 years ago called everyone south of them "Yue", even though they can be different tribes or nations. Being named the same thing by the Chinese doesn't actually mean anything. Genetically we have many similarities with the people of south China, but the history of vocabularies can be more complicated than that.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by meric on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:54PM (#14269977)
You're right a lot of the loanwords and similarities between the languages could and likely happened later on.

I think there's no way Cantonese and Vietnamese don't have lots of connections with the ancient Yue people; A whole people don't just fall off the face of the Earth, unless there was a most serious kind of genocide. Almost certainly Cantonese and Vietnamese can trace some of their ancestors to the Yue one way or another. It's true Chinese at the time called everyone south of them Yue, but it didn't mean they were that much fragmented into tribes. The kingdom of Nanyue has borders pretty much exactly matching Guangdong + Vietnam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanyue. Nan = south, and so does the "nam" in Vietnam. I don't think that's a coincidence.

But your larger point is very much correct now that I think about it - the history of vocabularies can be very much complicated.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by ddacunha on Thursday May 04, 2017 @09:45AM (#14264745)
Interesting, I just had diner with a French friend and his wife currently living in Hanoi. As we were sharing a nice peace or rare beef they told me that they could never have that there, and that in their experience the locals thoroughly cook their meet. I have been to Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi before for holidays and work and don't have any specific memories on the subject but the version I know of Vietnamese food thoroughly cook the meet.

Edit: I concede that Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi are two very different cities and the proliferation of French like restaurant is more present in Ho Chi Minh City as far as I remember.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by contingencies on Thursday May 04, 2017 @06:16PM (#14269355)
Err, bo tai means rare beef and it is easy to acquire in Vietnam.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by merrua on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:28PM (#14258660)
Ah this came up recently. bo in Vietnamese, bó in Gaeilge. The origin is likely from Latin. http://www.latin-dictionary.net/search/latin/Bo
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by thefringthing on Thursday May 04, 2017 @07:03PM (#14269654)
Wiktionary gives the etymology of "bó" as coming straight from Proto-Celtic and Proto-Indo-European. In any case, sometimes Irish has both a word of Celtic origin and a loanword for animals. "Chicken" is "cearc" but also "sicín".
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by rsynnott on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @08:51AM (#14255191)
> Broccoli is only cooked until bright green.

I mean, that's the correct way to cook it in any context, I would have thought. The whole massively overcooking vegetables thing is thankfully mostly dying out now.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by scurvy on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @11:35PM (#14252833)
> All vegetables are to be rinsed, even the things in Trader Joe's packages that say "Triple Washed, Ready to Use." Almost no claim on the package should be trusted, ever. <

This is really good advice. Food contamination happens, even in your triple washed, plastic bagged veggies.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by Spellman on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @05:03PM (#14250568)
Well, unless the meat is particularly fresh. Then you only cook to barely cooked.

See steamed chicken where often it will be served with the marrow still red. And it's blasphemy to overcook fish.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by stcredzero on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @09:12PM (#14252244)
And it's blasphemy to overcook fish.

Thanks. I think I just figured another one out!

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by ithinkinstereo on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:33PM (#14249179)
> Chinese don't eat raw foods at all, and especially not vegetables, which they correctly (by the standards of Chinatown produce) view as being unsanitary until thoroughly cooked.

That's not strictly true. There are plenty of classical Chinese dishes - many of them family type dishes - that are composed of raw vegetables.

Also pickling is pretty big in Chinese cuisine, but I guess that's not "raw" in the technical sense.

Lastly, Chinese people love raw seafood - sushi, oysters, etc.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by kkylin on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:38PM (#14249236)
All this is true, but while we() used to shop regularly in Chinatown markets (back when we lived close to a Chinatown, anyway), we would not eat anything raw except for fruits. Any vegetables or meat to be eaten raw or undercooked, we would buy from an "American" market.

() Chinese-American family.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:49PM (#14249358)
> Lastly, Chinese people love raw seafood - sushi, oysters, etc.

Which Chinese people? There are approximately zero sushi restaurants in Manhattan Chinatown. There are a whole bunch of sushi restaurants in adjacent SoHo, which is filled with non-Chinese yuppies.

anecdotal: took my Chinese co-worker to The Pokespot takeout for lunch and he immediately turned around and went somewhere else when he saw that the menu contained only raw fish.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by zhte415 on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @08:50AM (#14255185)
Fair question. Easiest answer is "China is a big country" but that isn't the best answer.

Raw seafood is pretty popular in coastal areas of Shandong and Liaoning. Cold seas and pretty easy to identify as fresh or not.

Raw veg in the Northeast in general is fine depending on what it is. Spinach should be cooked because of the way its grown (nightsoil not uncommon) but peppers/radishes OK raw (hanging fruit).

Simply pragmatic food culture responses to how food is sourced, and habits of what's OK or not. A Guangzhou person is unlikely to be OK with raw crawling shrimp in a salad in Panjin, and a Panjin person complains about how seafood in Guangdong is tasteless as the sea is too hot so the seafood grows too fast (despite these conditions making it plentiful).

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by logfromblammo on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @04:47PM (#14259905)
Did you mean to classify radishes as a hanging fruit? They are very clearly root vegetables, and you should literally wash the shit out of them before even thinking about eating one raw.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by DanBC on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @05:09PM (#14260115)
Some radishes are grown for their seedpods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radish#Seed_pod_varieties

> The seeds of radishes grow in siliques (widely referred to as "pods"), following flowering that happens when left to grow past their normal harvesting period. The seeds are edible, and are sometimes used as a crunchy, sharp addition to salads.[13] Some varieties are grown specifically for their seeds or seed pods, rather than their roots. The rat-tailed radish, an old European variety thought to have come from East Asia centuries ago, has long, thin, curly pods which can exceed 20 cm (8 in) in length. In the 17th century, the pods were often pickled and served with meat.[13] The 'München Bier' variety supplies seed pods that are sometimes served raw as an accompaniment to beer in Germany.[22]

(I hadn't heard of this until I looked. I firmly think of radishes as root vegetables.)

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by ithinkinstereo on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:06PM (#14249549)
Sushi is quite popular with the Chinese, both in the states with ABCs as well as in the mainland.

See this article for one datapoint: http://www.worldfishing.net/news101/Comment/analysis/norway-...

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by et-al on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:37PM (#14249817)
To clarify, sushi is a recent development in mainland China. The article linked to agrees with that. However, rewind to pre-2000 China, and it'd be rare to find a sushi joint outside of a high-end hotel.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by qiqing on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @05:05PM (#14250586)
Rewind to Tang Dynasty China, and sushi would be very commonplace.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by vecinu on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @06:27PM (#14251214)
"Records exist about the consumption of long slices of raw fish as early as 500 BCE. Many others indicate that long before the Tang Dynasty (618 - 907 CE), people with economic where-with-all ate many raw foods, not only raw fruits and vegetables, but also raw fish and raw meat."

- http://www.flavorandfortune.com/dataaccess/article.php?ID=40...

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:21PM (#14249691)
interesting, and a very recent trend. the population of 1st generation Chinese immigrants in Chinatown have not developed a taste for sushi though.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by jimbert on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @05:35PM (#14250846)
My father was born in China in 1940 and he refuses to eat raw food like sushi. He isn't particularly hygenic when it comes to food preparation​ (defrosts meat in the sink, flies are not a huge concern) but cooks everything well done.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by colmvp on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:57PM (#14249450)
I'd say the comment should be tweaked to Westernized Chinese (for lack of a better term... maybe Cosmopolitan?). My parents refuse to try raw seafood/meat. But having grown up in North America exposed to raw salads, meat, and seafood, I'm comfortable with it.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by rifung on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:07PM (#14249562)
Since sushi is Japanese, doesn't it make sense that it would be found in Little Tokyo instead of Chinatown? Maybe there are lots of Chinese people eating it outside of Chinatown?
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:20PM (#14249673)
there's a huge number of sushi restaurants all over New York and a lot of them are not authentically Japanese nor are they owned or operated by Japanese Americans.

Sushi is very popular in New York, much more popular than the Japanese population alone would support. There are sushi restaurants in neighborhoods where the residents enjoy sushi. The absence of them in Chinatown is an indicator that the residents there (> 90% Chinese immigrants) don't like sushi.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by ithinkinstereo on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:31PM (#14249770)
Your observations basically boil down to "my co-worker, who is Chinese, does not like raw fish, therefore..."

There are plenty of sushi restaurants in Chinatown: https://www.yelp.com/search?find_desc=sushi&start=0&l=p:NY:N...

There are also traditional - and popular - Chinese dishes that involve raw fish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yusheng

You have to understand that Chinese people are huge gluttons (I say this without any judgement). They love to eat.. there are even idioms about it!

1) http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/they...

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:41PM (#14249855)
I offered an anecdote, which I did not claim was an argument. Please don't be deliberately uncharitable.

Did you check the results of your yelp search? that's 2 restaurants that are actually in Chinatown and actually serve sushi. An unusually small number for a neighborhood with one of the highest density of restaurants in the city.

Did you read the wiki article you linked? this sentence is in the summary: "While versions of it are thought to have existed in China, the contemporary version was created and popularised[citation needed] in the 1960s amongst the ethnic Chinese community and its consumption has been associated with Chinese New Year festivities in Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore." It's modern, and is a holiday feast meal served primarily by the Cantonese diaspora population. This isn't popular everyday eating, and is basically unknown on the mainland.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by ithinkinstereo on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @04:19PM (#14250182)
That's true that raw seafood is absent in pre-1960s cuisine. But that's pretty much the case in all cuisines (after all, historically raw meat/fish = disease).

Even contemporary sushi/sashimi was not popularized in Japanese cuisine until relatively recently during the Edo period (1700s-late 1800s). Pre-edo times, "raw" fish was mostly preserved fish.

In regards to Chinatown, it's worth noting that many Chinese (and Korean) seafood restaurants also serve raw seafood (sashimi, poke, oysters, raw clams, etc.)

Perhaps Yelp is being too liberal with what they define as "Chinatown", but a quick pass on Yelp with the "Chinatown" area checked, returned the following:

Japanese restaurants:

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/alin-sushi-new-york-4

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/mika-japanese-cuisine-and-bar-new-y...

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/gohan-new-york

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/aplus-sushi-new-york-2

Chinese restaurants:

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/pings-seafood-new-york?

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/oriental-garden-restaurant-new-york

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/chinese-tuxedo-new-york-2

Fusion:

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/cutting-board-new-york

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/bar-belly-new-york

* https://www.yelp.com/biz/dimes-deli-new-york

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by et-al on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:39PM (#14249842)
re: Yunsheng

> Place of origin: Singapore

Generally, when we say Chinese, we refer to mainland China and Taiwan, not the Chinese Diaspora. This would be like saying Indian people love chicken tikka masala.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by ithinkinstereo on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:10PM (#14258465)
That was one example. My personal favorite is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunken_shrimp
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by Arizhel on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @04:22PM (#14250217)
>there's a huge number of sushi restaurants all over New York and a lot of them are not authentically Japanese nor are they owned or operated by Japanese Americans

That's true everywhere in the US. It's very hard to find an authentic Japanese restaurant, and even harder to find one run by actual Japanese people. Usually, "Japanese" restaurants are run by Koreans.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by logfromblammo on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:47PM (#14258832)
Well... that's one step closer to authentic than a "Japanese" restaurant run by Han Chinese, I guess.

In my town, the authentic Japanese restaurant was next to the Subaru and Mitsubishi/Toyota car dealerships, and was pretty much there just so the auto executives had a reliably Japanese place to eat while visiting. It went out of business.

Japanese people may be the best at making a restaurant authentically Japanese, but Han are (anecdotally) much better at making a Japanese-themed restaurant authentically profitable.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by Arizhel on Thursday May 04, 2017 @02:57PM (#14267659)
Sure, but the discussion here wasn't profitability, it was authenticity. You're not going to find many authentic Japanese restaurants in America, especially outside of major cities which have enough Japanese people to support them. I have a Japanese girlfriend, and for her it's a big deal to go to an authentic Japanese restaurant; some "Japanese-themed" restaurant run by Chinese people isn't of much interest to her, she'd probably rather go for a burger than that. (Luckily, she likes burgers too, as long as they're good.)
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by jandrese on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @04:51PM (#14250454)
As I understand it the majority of Sushi restaurants in the US (dunno about China) are run by Koreans. There was a weird religious cult thing that did the legwork to set up sushi grade fish distribution on a large scale and flooded the market with restaurants.

Sometimes the clues are really blatant that it's not an authentic Japanese restaurant. There used to be a Sushi place a few miles down the road where the hirigana on the sign spelled out Arikato.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by derwiki on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:58PM (#14249457)
China is not Chinatown, and I think your sample size is a bit small considering how many Chinese exist.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by munchbunny on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @06:48PM (#14251370)
Indeed, Chinatown is often more like Americanized-Cantonese-Town. When it comes to cooking traditional Chinese foods from cuisines outside the Guangdong (Canton) area, you often have to source more widely for seasonings, ingredients, and sauces (the internet helps with that a lot). It's better in major cities where there's some degree of specialization among Chinese grocery stores, in which case you just need to be willing to search a bit for the more region-specific ingredients.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by stcredzero on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:02PM (#14249510)
China is not Chinatown

Said dozens of times by my Chinese-born girlfriend in SF Chinatown: "I have no idea what this is." "This is weird."

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by mixmastamyk on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:22PM (#14249699)
Born where? I believe west coast Chinatowns were built by Cantonese and separated by 100+ years. See the recent post about american chinese food.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by ithinkinstereo on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:35PM (#14249804)
That's correct. The first influx of Chinese immigrants were mostly from the south. After the CCP took over, immigration from the mainland basically ceased. During the 60s-80s most of the Chinese immigrants that were not from HK were from Taiwan.

Immigration from the mainland started picking up after the Cultural Revolution in the late 70s / early 80s through now.

"Chinese" food in the US is mostly Cantonese food. Only fairly recently have you seen an uptick of non-canton style food. The latest trend is Sichuan / Chongqing style of cuisine (spicy!).

My favorite Chinese regional cuisine is Xinjiang cai (food of the uighurs, China's muslim minority group). Very tasty - lots of bbq meats, delicious noodles, and spicy. Also bonus that its halal/kosher.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by inferiorhuman on Saturday May 06, 2017 @01:48AM (#14278901)
Chinese food in the US is fairly diverse (and has been for a while). Hunan food is, IIRC, quite common in New York and accounts for most of what New Yorkers think of when they conjure up images of Chinese food. Even in SF, places like Henry's Hunan have been around for a while (early 70s). If you go to the LA area you'll find a large proliferation of Taiwanese restaurants (which are relatively scarce in SF).
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by princeb on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @05:50PM (#14250970)
american chinese food is still quite similar to cantonese food.

at least, much more similar to cantonese food than it is to northern chinese food, which in my (cantonese heritage) opinion look more like korean, given its extreme use of sour preserved vegetables and grains.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by weaksauce on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:58PM (#14249458)
I have a persian market near me that has produce much cheaper than any store around usually because they don't have the best looking AAA quality produce. It tastes great and you might need to cut a bit more off than normal and a lemon there won't look like the picture perfect lemon from a large grocery but it's significantly cheaper.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by stcredzero on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:59PM (#14249468)
a lemon there won't look like the picture perfect lemon from a large grocery but it's significantly cheaper

Also, that's what lemons actually look like.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by contingencies on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @05:01PM (#14250540)
Chinese don't eat raw foods at all, and especially not vegetables...

Not true. Things that are definitely commonly consumed raw include all fruits, some roots and tubers, garlic, cucumbers, onion, herbs and leaves, chilli, sugar cane.

Perhaps your perspective is skewed by a limited, US-only sample. Food preparation preferences are largely regional in China, anyway.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by __jal on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @03:16PM (#14249636)
I'd hardly describe the food found in NYC Chinatown markets unsanitary, and never felt any reason not to eat them raw they same way I would from BigCoMart - you wash and inspect.

If anything, I'd expect fewer golf balls in my food.

http://nypost.com/2017/04/22/chopped-golf-balls-in-hash-brow...

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by kbutler on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:38PM (#14249238)
> Chinese don't eat raw foods at all

Hmm. They always cook their rambutan? That's sad.

That said, Thailand has similar market sanitation norms (I almost said "standards", but that gives the wrong impression). They do still have a culture of various raw foods (lahb, nahmtok), and yes, you should probably ask for them "sook" (cooked).

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by eiliant on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @06:36PM (#14251285)
Have you ever been to Shanghai? Or any major chinese city? This is such an uninformed comment - you can find fresh salads in the 100s of Wagas around town, in supermarkets, etcetc.

And I don't know what you call chinese food culture, maybe the traditional one 100s of years ago, but nowadays raw beef in hotpot restaurants as appetizers is very popular and sushi/sashimi even moreso, even if you go down to t2 cities. This is chinese food culture right? What chinese people like to eat nowadays in 2017, not like 1850 food culture

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by op00to on Thursday May 04, 2017 @08:13AM (#14264212)
> it doesn't produce epidemics of food-borne illness in their community because they handle and cook food appropriately.

Do you have a source for this? Food borne illness goes massively unreported because except in infants and the elderly, it generally resolves by itself. I can only imagine that given the challenges immigrant communities have with getting adequate health care in the US, they are even less likely to report food borne illness. I just can't see the link between "Chinese cook their vegetables more" and no epidemics of food borne illness.

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by autokad on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @07:47AM (#14254881)
the article also misses a glaring fact: most vendors in Chinatown are skipping on taxes.

ever wonder why you dont pay sales tax when you pay with cash? (if they are even willing to accept anything else)

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by vlan0 on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:37PM (#14249233)
Not even raw fruit?
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:46PM (#14249322)
many fruits have rinds or peels that are removed before eating. those that aren't, well, they aren't so popular, and they are typically washed and peeled before serving. I've never seen anyone in Chinatown take a bite out of a totally raw, unprocessed apple.
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by Markoff on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @08:05AM (#14254965)
please don't call ABCs Chinese, apparently one billion Chinese would disagree with your comment, apples are extremely popular, so are mandarins, tomatoes and nuts, all raw in China

real Chinese eat lot of raw stuff, if ABCs don't it must be some of their local fetish

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by metaphorm on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:44PM (#14262285)
maybe it was lost on you that the linked article, and this entire discussion, is about the people living in Chinatown?
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by Markoff on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @08:03AM (#14254958)
of course they eat all kinds of raw fruit and vegetables, tomato is pretty much considered equal to apple, you will see people in streets of Beijing holding it and biting it like apple, same goes for cucumber which is especially popular in summer as alternative to ice cream to cool you down

speaking from perspective of someone who lived years in China with real Chinese, ignorance of previous poster is unlimited

Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by Markoff on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @07:57AM (#14254927)
you never been to real Chinese restaurant, ordering raw cucumbers or tomorrow as one of the dishes is extremely common, I was always amused to see people wasting money on this in China, since there is pretty much zero preparation besides chopping but price is almost on par with main meat course
Re:Why Chinatown Produce Is Cheap (2016) by sleepingeights on Tuesday May 02, 2017 @02:44PM (#14249302)
I don't buy from our local chinatown which sources some of its vegetables from farmers who grow right off freeways etc where the land is cheap because of its location.

On the other hand they also buy from farmers who grow their crops off lands more suitable for farming as well.