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Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by jey on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:27PM (#11996206)
The connection between exercise and brain health has now been super conclusively and astonishingly shown, but what are some possible evolutionary reasons for this connection?

Maybe the extra energetic investment in brain health is only justified when there is an energetic surplus, and doing exercise correlates with having extra energy available? (As opposed to starving and thus needing to conserve energy.) But that doesn't actually make sense, since the extra metabolic expenditure of these processes can't possibly be all that high, and doesn't the brain use almost the same (huge) amount of resources whether it's at rest or very cognitively active?

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by quantumhobbit on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:58PM (#11996489)
Prehistoric humans likely exercised as a matter of course. They weren't sedentary. The brain evolved assuming the condition of exercise. naturally occurring byproducts of exercise were just always there for the brain to use.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by seizethecheese on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:17PM (#11996662)
This is my favorite explanation. It may be that the deficiencies of these chemicals are harmful and the release of them returns us to "regular" function, but since we are so sedentary it appears that we are getting a benefit.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by pizza on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:06PM (#11997085)
Avoiding the teleological default misconception of "evolution means adding features to DNA," to boot.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:51PM (#11997463)
You are assuming Hunter/Gatherers expend more energy than modern humans, which is not true (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....)

Physical activity levels were also within a standard deviation of one another (between western and h/g populations).

The brain evolved in similar conditions to modern man. I would argue current conditions are far better for the brain in terms of good nutrition and low disease.

The effect in the OP was not selected for, it is likely a serendipitous biochemical interaction. Repair enzymes from one part of they also effecting another.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by mehwoot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:47PM (#11998985)
The person you are replying to didn't say "expend more energy", they said "exercise more", and the link you gave comfirms that:

As expected, physical activity level, PAL, was greater among Hadza foragers than among Westerners.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:05AM (#11999610)
>As expected, physical activity level, PAL, was greater among Hadza foragers than among Westerners.

Within a standard deviation. Higher on average, but not much, and not significantly.

No where near enough to exert selection pressure.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by mehwoot on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @02:25AM (#11999844)
Within a standard deviation (just) of the hunter gatherers, but not for Western males.

PAL is 2.26 +- 0.48 for Hadza male and 1.81 +- 0.21 for Western Male. That's an average 25% difference in activity. I'm not a biologist but it seems like that could surely be significant.

Especially if the protein being talked about is generated by strenuous activity above some level. 25% total difference in activity could be a very large difference in activity above a threshold, since both groups are going to spend a lot of the day sitting around, sleeping or walking slowly.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by Declanomous on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:39AM (#12001243)
Selection pressure doesn't care about standard deviations, believe it or not. Even a small difference can exert evolutionary pressure over a long period of time.

Minute changes are actually a huge part of evolution. Evolution is much more about minute changes than it is about huge (standard-deviation-level) changes.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by woodandsteel on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:36PM (#11997777)
As far as calories go, exercise doesn't have much impact. And maybe the Hunter/Gatherers are more efficient in their metabolisms.

As far as exercise goes, maybe one standard deviation is enough to produce a brain effect. And maybe there is a lot of variation within modern populations, with many far enough below the average to have a significant effect.

I find it really hard to believe that any healthy Hunter/Gatherers sit around all day like so many moderns do.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by andy_ppp on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:37PM (#11997783)
> Repair enzymes from one part of they also effecting another

That's an even more fascinating idea; so what other things could create the conditions for other repair systems to be activated. Maybe meditation, maybe different drugs, plants, ketosis etc...

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:58PM (#11998531)
Additionally, the lymphatic system doesn't have a pump like the circulatory system. So not only does exercise improve blood circulation thereby improving oxygen and nutrient delivery body wide, exercise improves lymph flow thereby assisting in removing metabolic waste products from the interstitial fluid. Also, the lymphatic system can be considered an immune organ, so exercise improves the immune response.

And, of course, we know nutrients like Zinc and Vitamin C are essential for tissue repair via being essential for DNA replication.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by fpoling on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:37PM (#11997785)
This does not imply that, for example, a daily or weekly peak of energy expenditure was the same. As training once per week for 15 minutes with weights is enough to grow muscles, it could be that hunter/gatheres needed to release energy at the max level like running away from a lion much more often than we do nowdays and during those releases the brain also had to work hardest.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:44PM (#11997817)
>during those releases the brain also had to work hardest

That is speculation, and is unintuitive. Why would the brain "work hardest" when running? Why would modern humans not exert the same forces during sport? Why would humans, the top group-oriented predator, run from a lion?

The data linked above shows that observed Physical Activity Levels and caloric use are comparable to modern day. Stop inserting your own assumptions into the data.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by NegativeLatency on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:34PM (#11998112)
> Why would humans, the top group-oriented predator, run from a lion?

I'd sure run from a lion if it was coming at me.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by afarrell on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @10:07PM (#11999051)
But what if it was coming at a group of ten of you and you were all armed with melee weapons?

Ghost & The Darkness aside, lions generally don't hunt humans. But humans did spend a bunch of time pursuing game over long distances.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:12AM (#11999630)
We hunt lions for sport, and have for millennia. They are almost extinct because of it...
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by fpoling on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @03:48AM (#12000106)
The data do not indicate that we experience the same need to work at max energy for brief periods of time as hunter/gatheres. Besides running away from predators in most efficient way, consider throwing оf javelins or stones during hunting. It requires a very precise muscle work at max energy after intense brain activity of target selection. Modern day life does not involve that, yet evolutionary this combination of brain/muscle work at peak could be advantageous.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by Florin_Andrei on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:34PM (#11998428)
Any study that shows present-day humans (at least those living in Western societies) to get the same amounts of exercise as any other culture is bound to be deeply flawed.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by Retra on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:46PM (#11998473)
How do you know this?
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by rhondapatrick on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:38PM (#11996297)
Interestingly, exercise itself actually helps get an energetically favorable type of energy to the brain in the first place: lactate.[1] Moreover, lactate in the brain triggers the release of BDNF, which causes neurogenesis.[2]

I recorded a video conversation with the pioneer of the lactate shuttle theory behind this mechanism which may interest you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lThFQM503EU

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactate_shuttle_hypothesis

[2] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21094220

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by StanislavPetrov on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:03PM (#11997050)
Exercise also causes the release of endorphins in the brain that leads to a condition commonly known as "runners high".

http://www.runnersworld.com/running-tips/how-to-achieve-a-ru...

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by brahmwg on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:21PM (#11998054)
Actually there is some evidence to suggest that the runners high is due to endocannabinoids rather than endorphin release. Interestingly the endocannabinoid system is also activated when consuming cannabis and experiencing the resulting cannabis/runners high.

http://cen.acs.org/articles/93/web/2015/10/Exploring-Molecul...

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by bitL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:23PM (#11997227)
Real runner's high means you started damaging your muscles and brain flushes endorphins to your blood stream in order to keep you being able to continue without experiencing debilitating pain in case you are running from a disaster/predator/death in the last attempt before you cease to be able to move. Not something you'd want to achieve repeatedly.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by agumonkey on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:49PM (#11998204)
Then I'm not sure I ever got Runner's High. I did get Runner's Crave after one week tied to a bed. I couldn't stay in place and was anxious all the time, fantasizing about climbing the stairs between the hospital floors.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by jschwartzi on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:16AM (#12001125)
I get this after 3 or 4 days of inactivity. When I'm like that I have to exercise or I can't sleep.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by StanislavPetrov on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:29PM (#11997285)
Any exercise can lead to the release of endorphins. Endorphin release doesn't occur only to mask the damage you are doing to yourself in the face of an extreme life threatening situation (which is also accompanied by the release of adrenaline and other hormones).

>The endogenous opioids seem likely to be assigned a significant role in the integrated hormonal and metabolic response to exercise. This article reviews the present evidence on exercise and the endogenous opioids, and examines their involvement in a number of widely disparate physiological processes

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6091217

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by wallace_f on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:40PM (#11997376)
>Not something you'd want to achieve repeatedly.

My memory is telling me that studies of exercise show the longest living are those that do anything from endurance to what the article below calls "mixed" sports. Powerlifting and high intensity training may offer some benefit, but it is not as much as endurance training.

What I found in a quick Google search to attempt to refresh my memory, is in agreement: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/19/live-as-long-as-an-...

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by CuriouslyC on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:54PM (#11998228)
Endurance exercise displays an inverted U curve in terms of longevity.

Strength is highly correlated with reduced all cause mortality. Which direction the relationship goes is debatable, but being strong is pretty sweet in and of itself.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by wallace_f on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:57PM (#11998245)
Source?

Anyways I've run marathons in the past, but I mostly do strength training now, actually mostly callisthenics. It's less dedication, gives me more of an adrenaline rush and easier to do than endurance training. I don't deny, though, that most of what I've read says that cardio is better if you just simply want to live as long as possible.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by CuriouslyC on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @12:10AM (#11999438)
Though I wasn't able to find it offhand, the study with the inverse U curve showed that the moderate training group had lower all cause mortality than the extreme training group (who still had lower all cause mortality than the sedentary population). The meta-analyses I was able to find did not show the inverted U, but it is very possible that too few studies had "extreme" training groups for the far side of the distribution to show up.

If you only watch TV or read while walking at an incline on the treadmill, it's easy to rack up the miles without inconveniencing yourself. I probably hit about 24 miles a week doing this.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by brational on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @10:38AM (#12001884)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AdvancedFitness/comments/1bo5xm/ass...

reddit post with main study, also comments have HN posts about it and good critiques. interesting stuff.

I've seen the cardio U curve study before too but do not have it saved like I did the strength one.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by chipsy on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:04PM (#11997565)
This correlates with my personal experience. Lifting is a good idea, but my optimum for it is perhaps once a week, else I fall into overtraining. The rest of the time when I want to exercise mild cardio seems more beneficial.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by evm9 on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:39PM (#11997791)
Maybe that works for you, but you'll never be strong/look strong weight training weekly. If you're "overtraining" from one weight training session per week, there's something very wrong. The average human only takes 48-72 hours to fully recover for most muscle groups in the body.

It's also been proven that HIIT is much more beneficial for your system than LISS.

It might "seem" more beneficial to you, but likely is not more beneficial than the alternatives. However, something is definitely better than nothing, and do what works for you and makes you happy.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by wallace_f on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:16PM (#11998031)
>It's also been proven that HIIT is much more beneficial for your system than LISS.

Source? What is your definition of 'better?' The context is in longevity, and my link offers some evidence against your statement, so I think you should provide some source for your claim that HIIT is consistent with living longer than LISS because that's not what I've seen published in the last 10 years.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by alvah on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @10:02AM (#12001659)
Long time lurker, finally registered to answer this. What's your definition of "strong"? I've been weight training once a week since March, following Doug McGuff's "Body By Science" method, and I have doubled my weights in 4 of the "big 5" in the last 3 months. While I'm led to believe McGuff's methods will never make anyone look absolutely massive, I disagree with your premise that you have to train more than once a week to be strong or look strong. Incidentally, McGuff mentions in his book that the optimal gap between workouts is 8 days.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by nosequel on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @10:27AM (#12001810)
No offense meant for something working for you. If it works for you, keep doing it.

I've competed now in three separate strength sports (powerlifting, strongman, olympic lifting). There isn't a single person on any competitive circuit that only lifts weights once every 8 days. You might be getting strong for you. You started in March, so you are on the ultra-beginner slope that means you can basically do any training in existence and make gains. That will steadily slow.

Regarding a definition of "strong", there are many, but the one most people in the strength industry agree on is:

  * 2.5x bodyweight dead lift  
  * 2x bodyweight full squat  
  * 1.5x bodyweight bench  
  * 1x bodyweight standing strict overhead press
So a 180lb person who is "strong" will have a 450lb DL, 360lb squat, 270 lb bench, and 180lb OHP.

No offense to the one person you read, but hundreds of years of strength athletes are on the side of lifting weights multiple times per week.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by alvah on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @09:38PM (#12006044)
As usual, people say "no offense" when they are about to offend me :)

I have actually read more than one "person". McGuff actually has some credibility, and cites many scholarly articles in his book. However his method is not aimed at competitive weightlifters, which suits me as I don't have hours to spend at the gym every week, or a desire to get huge. I do expect to be stronger than approximately 99% of my peers by the end of the year though, which in my book is a bit better than "strong for me".

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by nosequel on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:14AM (#12022613)
> However his method is not aimed at competitive weightlifters

Yes, but you said a workout every 8 days was optimum. I'm saying that's completely bad information. You don't have to compete to learn from people who compete.

You wouldn't learn an optimal golf swing from someone who only plays mini-golf at an arcade would you? No, you'd look at the true greats in the game.

Here are just a few people to read instead of McGuff, all of who have some actual strength credentials.

  * Wendler  
  * Coan  
  * Rippetoe  
  * Dan John  
  * Pavel  
  * Abadjiev  
  * Kilgore
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by wallace_f on Sunday July 03, 2016 @04:32AM (#12025247)
Hey nosequel, can you recommend me succinct reading or ideally a great training program to follow for strength building with calisthenics? In my situation with my lifestyle of travel at the moment, access to gyms can be expensive and infrequent, and I like the athleticism and balance involved in calisthenics anyways.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by wallace_f on Thursday June 30, 2016 @08:50AM (#12008127)
Good post.

How much do people consider body shape when looking at those numbers?

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by nosequel on Saturday July 02, 2016 @10:05AM (#12022584)
Body shape is hugely influential. Limb length compared to torso length, back width, arm length compared to leg length all will have huge influences. These were general guidelines kind of thrown around over the years, but it is expected that for each person on of those will be easier than the rest to achieve. Most really good deadlifters are not necessarily good squatters, and vice versa.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by wallace_f on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:55AM (#12007158)
You are correct. In fact, you can get really strong training once a week. Fact is, this guy's training methods are basically kind of appoaching an optimization for bulking (building the most muscle mass possible) combined with laziness (only training once a week).

The big criticisms of this kind of training would be:

1.) athleticism (he recommends machines, but free weights and calisthenics--replacing lat pulls with pull ups, muscle ups, etc is much better for athleticism)

2.) strength (he recommends machines, no momentum in movements, long recovery periods... this is basically how bodybuilders train to build the most muscle, but power lifters and athletes will optimize for maximum power, which includes momentum in their movements, and more endurance in their muscles)

3.) cardio/weight loss (you will burn more calories and build better cardio with higher volume, repitions)

4.) Injury (machines, low reps, high weights, all increase risk of injury)

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by nothis on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:29PM (#11997286)
I heard that "runner's high" only sets in when you train hard and for a long time. To make that clear, you're saying it's actually a sign of you having gone too far?
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by bitL on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:37PM (#11997353)
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by ethbro on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:09PM (#11997611)
Just from personal experience, it usually hits around mile 3 or 4 at a decent pace (8-9 min/mi). But then, I wouldn't say I'm in the best of conditioning either.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by atom-morgan on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:40PM (#11997378)
Thanks for posting this. I always enjoy you on JRE but I had no idea you were on HN!
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by sliverstorm on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:34PM (#11996265)
It's probably not that complicated. It probably goes something like, our species developed using our brains and exercising in harmony, so they wound up linked to eachother, simply because everyone was exercising. The two systems developed together, and simply because there was no reason NOT to be, wound up intertwined.

Like what I've heard about automatic transmissions. Supposedly, some automatic transmissions do not lubricate themselves when coasting in neutral (the pump is driven engine-side), and for this reason you shouldn't regularly coast long distances at freeway speeds in neutral on an affected automatic. Why is it this way? Simply because it's easy to slave the pump off the engine-side, and at 65mph, you generally have your engine engaged! So why NOT?

Evolution is all about selective pressures, but equally important are the absence of those pressures.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by jey on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:45PM (#11996362)
True, but this does smell an awful lot like a control signal (in the sense of a control system).
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by foxxwinters on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:59PM (#11996497)
There's interesting theories behind humans evolving as a distance running (endurance hunting) species, and brain size being required evolutionarily as a tracking mechanism (understanding footprints & getting in the prey's head to understand it's path).

The two work in concert because fast prey escapes line of sight and gets mixed up with each other easily, so human endurance becomes much less useful if you can't follow & wear down the appropriate target.

"Born to Run" is a fun summary/story about some of this science but there's more hard science out there too if you're interested.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by drawkbox on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:46PM (#11996920)
A couple possible reasons: surviving to hunt, fighting/battle and celebration/training/building activities.

If you have an elevated heart rate and exercising in the past that might mean going after food where you have to outwit, thus the brain needed to fuel/prepare for that.

Additionally, exercise could be fighting, you might also need elevated brain performance during a battle for survival.

It might also mean you are doing some work to get a system in place for food and providing that for others in the group.

Exercising is probably tied to survival, nourishment and providing. The brain probably has a reward system because it can expend more energy if there is more to be had soon.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by mywittyname on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:57PM (#11997015)
Also, you're probably learning during that time. Think about how young animals play: they practice a lot of the skills they need to survive. It builds dexterity, coordination, reflexes and strength.

Evolutionary speaking, those animals whose brains go into "extra learning mode" during exercise likely had a huge advantage over their peers whose brains didn't. Their brains picked up on skills related to hunting and survival and didn't waste energy building neural connections while they're sitting around not doing anything.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:38PM (#11997360)
You two are wildly speculating.

The fact is that none of this greatly influences reproductive fitness, so it is unlikely to be acted on by evolution.

The effect is likely just biochemical coincidence. Repair enzymes in one part of the body effecting another.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by mywittyname on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @06:07PM (#12005172)
The evolutionary reasoning behind almost any trait is going to be entirely speculative.

> The fact is that none of this greatly influences reproductive fitness, so it is unlikely to be acted on by evolution.

It absolutely does, in fact, it's probably a key influence of reproductive fitness in predatory species. The species that can gather more energy or more efficiently use that energy is going to out-grow their peers more each successive generation. And it's easy to see the relationship between more efficient learning and gathering more food.

A group of hunting animals that learn 10% faster during and after exercising than a control group would have a huge resource advantage because they increases both the pool of available prey and the likelihood of catching prey. Acquiring just 7% more calories (and translating that into 7% more offspring) would result in a population that is double the control group in 10 generations.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by nazgul17 on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:03PM (#11998277)
I agree that it is speculation, but the evolutionary advantage is pretty clear there: getting extra learning during fights increases your chances of survival in the next fight.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:09AM (#11999623)
1. You are assuming brain health means learning.

2. You are assuming fights exert the same effect as exercise.

3. You are assuming the selection pressure is great enough to effect allele frequency.

4. You are assuming humans fight alone.

5. You are assuming humans have extra knowledge to be gained in a split second of a fight.

6. You are assuming said extra knowledge would be overwhelmingly adaptive in a physical fight.

Breaking down adaptation is all about understanding your assumptions. It is easy to speculate, but it is hard measure evolution. However, given rigorous study we can measure adaptation mathematically and quantify it's impacts.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by aqwfgm on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:05PM (#11996558)
Reason should be some kind of benefit. But honestly, I dont know, here are just some facts.

You need to see the connection of systems. Neuromuscular connection of basal ganglia: central part of brain - neural pathway - muscle - and then feeling of movement going back to the brain through hypothalamus and to other areas - from hypothalamus it goes to brain like a shotgun fire.

The more you do the same movement the more you fire up the same lines. In order to get faster and more effective movement you add additional channels for signal transport in neuronal connections {this happens through release of BDNF, which induces insertion of new channels, for faster transmission}. This molecule happen to influence formation of memory, survival of neurons and supress your desire to eat.

There has been an article from 1998 about reduced cathepsin, which happens to reduce this BDNF. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9514826)

Sooo, again, I dont know, but this seems a bit like a side effect of firing up those circuits, because more or less the same way works memory formation (long-term memory potentiation). I would guess here plays a role effect of neigborhood - niche influencing neurons sitting next to those active pathways.

BTW. Also movement should increase your bloodflow, waste created by neurons is now removed much faster, this should go the same for neurotrasmitters - molecules transmitting signal which just flow around and act as signal interference, thus removing part of interference and now you can fire clear signal.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by revelation on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:53PM (#11996437)
As usual, evolution means there might just be no reason, certainly not one that is reasonable.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by bduerst on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:52PM (#11996973)
I was going to say this as well.

Unless it's explicitly linked to surviving natural selection before reproduction, it's more likely that this finding is just a pointless by-product of another biomolecular pathway, even though it may have some discernible benefits.

It's like trying to puzzle out why there are nipples on male mammals - it usually devolves to some creative stories and hand waving.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by omalleyt on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:28AM (#11999678)
Well, male nipples are spandrels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spandrel_(biology)

That is, they're useful for the female and not particularly harmful for the male, so they live on.

It's also an instance of DRY (don't repeat yourself) "coding" in our DNA: basically males and females carry the same instructions, with a bunch of randomly interspersed if/else conditions that hinge on the presence of testosterone (coded for in the small Y chromosome)

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:39PM (#11996312)
> but what are some possible evolutionary reasons for this connection?

With long term phenotypes like brain health, there probably isn't enough selective pressure to create or maintain this relationship.

Rather this result is likely the result of coincidence, and that coincidence was not deleterious enough to be removed by selection. Ex :

Exercise stimulates repair enzymes > Excess Repair Enzymes Filter Into Blood Stream > Excess Repair Enzymes Also Fix Brain Cells.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by tn13 on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @08:12PM (#11998600)
> The connection between exercise and brain health has now been super conclusively and astonishingly shown, but what are some possible evolutionary reasons for this connection?

Both physical activity and brain-health improve survival and a small group of people whose brain became healtheir with physical activity survived at a faster rate than others.

Isn't it obvious ? I would assume exercise for early humans did not mean spending 30 minutes running for no reason. They probably spent that time running after a rabbit or running way with someone else's wife on his shoulder etc or tribes that kept well trained armies probably survived at a higher rate than tribes that relied on the Shaman to summon the dead.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by rsync on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @10:40AM (#12001896)
"The connection between exercise and brain health has now been super conclusively and astonishingly shown, but what are some possible evolutionary reasons for this connection?"

Your question assumes that bodily health and brain health are separate and distinct things - as if we are mental beings that just happen to have bodies.

Perhaps we should read the headline as "exercise releases body healthy protein" ... I doubt we'd consider that an evolutionary paradox.

Probably these results should be considered ipso facto.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by stared on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @06:59AM (#12000773)
Neurons evolved from muscles. After exercises muscles needs to be repaired (due to microdamages); it is not unreasonable that there is some positive side-effect for neurons as well.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by jsprogrammer on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:37PM (#11996841)
If you are being active, you probably want to be able to do more. Move easily, see things, predict ahead, etc.

When you are not active, you don't need to be doing those things as much.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by ObeyTheGuts on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @06:38AM (#12000690)
To me it is very obvious that physical activity = you are being active and will need more brain power to proccess all the activity, while being inactive means brain power will be energy waste. As only very recently u can do high intellect stuff like computer work while sitting.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by ldehaan on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:44PM (#11996352)
your heart is a pump, when you exercise your heart pumps harder and faster, your legs create a flowing motion that helps the blood make it back to the heart.

during all this the brain experiences a surge in blood levels, oxygen, metabolic exchanges happen faster and so your brain is more effective.

add into that, the body breaks down fats to power you, those fats have omega fatty acids that are released into the blood stream and go to the brain to provide nutrients.

this is why drinking coffee wakes you up.

what I really want is a pair of those leg pumps that assist the heart, so I can sit on my ass longer and code whilst getting the benefits of exercise on my brain :)

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by drzaiusapelord on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:37PM (#11996285)
>but what are some possible evolutionary reasons for this connection?

Maybe you should be asking the opposite question like why should evolution reward sedentary life? Human history involves daily exercise in some form that is more strenuous than a long walk and that's clearly connected to our general health and well-being both mentally and physically (why should these be separate to evolution?). What we're doing today is the exception, we shouldn't expect everything to work out as before.

I imagine we're in a temporary lull. Either modern society will collapse and we'll go back to farming or hunting and gathering, or we'll invent a exercise pill. There is effort in this direction:

http://qz.com/516757/scientists-are-working-on-an-exercise-p...

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @02:42PM (#11996337)
>Maybe you should be asking the opposite question like why should evolution reward sedentary life?

If you can live a sedentary lifestyle and still produce children, then evolution doesn't care. In fact, an indoors lifestyle is much more fit in the longterm than a life of hard labor.

Evolution isn't trying to create the Platonic Ideal of a human. It just is a thoughtless mechanism to efficiently reproduce DNA.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by pc86 on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:31PM (#11996786)
> If you can live a sedentary lifestyle and still produce children, then evolution doesn't care.

Hunter/gatherer humanity did not have the luxury of a sedentary lifestyle, so it did have a negative impact on your ability to produce children for a long time.

> In fact, an indoors lifestyle is much more fit in the longterm than a life of hard labor.

I think "hard labor" is a bit extreme, but even so, working a physically demanding job is still better for your overall health than a sedentary lifestyle of office job + sitting on the couch watching Netflix.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by TillE on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:53PM (#11998513)
> better for your overall health

Again, evolution does not care. As long as you can survive to about 40 (long enough to raise children), it makes no difference.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by toasterlovin on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:45AM (#11999735)
Older humans have a lot to contribute to the fitness of their children and grandchildren. Power, resources, labor...
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by chrisfosterelli on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @03:38PM (#11996843)
> Either modern society will collapse and we'll go back to farming or hunting and gathering, or we'll invent a exercise pill.

Or maybe people will just learn to exercise regularly and stay healthy? That seems more likely than the collapse of society.