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Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @04:51PM (#11997463)
You are assuming Hunter/Gatherers expend more energy than modern humans, which is not true (http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal....)

Physical activity levels were also within a standard deviation of one another (between western and h/g populations).

The brain evolved in similar conditions to modern man. I would argue current conditions are far better for the brain in terms of good nutrition and low disease.

The effect in the OP was not selected for, it is likely a serendipitous biochemical interaction. Repair enzymes from one part of they also effecting another.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by mehwoot on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @09:47PM (#11998985)
The person you are replying to didn't say "expend more energy", they said "exercise more", and the link you gave comfirms that:

As expected, physical activity level, PAL, was greater among Hadza foragers than among Westerners.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:05AM (#11999610)
>As expected, physical activity level, PAL, was greater among Hadza foragers than among Westerners.

Within a standard deviation. Higher on average, but not much, and not significantly.

No where near enough to exert selection pressure.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by mehwoot on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @02:25AM (#11999844)
Within a standard deviation (just) of the hunter gatherers, but not for Western males.

PAL is 2.26 +- 0.48 for Hadza male and 1.81 +- 0.21 for Western Male. That's an average 25% difference in activity. I'm not a biologist but it seems like that could surely be significant.

Especially if the protein being talked about is generated by strenuous activity above some level. 25% total difference in activity could be a very large difference in activity above a threshold, since both groups are going to spend a lot of the day sitting around, sleeping or walking slowly.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by Declanomous on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @08:39AM (#12001243)
Selection pressure doesn't care about standard deviations, believe it or not. Even a small difference can exert evolutionary pressure over a long period of time.

Minute changes are actually a huge part of evolution. Evolution is much more about minute changes than it is about huge (standard-deviation-level) changes.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by woodandsteel on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:36PM (#11997777)
As far as calories go, exercise doesn't have much impact. And maybe the Hunter/Gatherers are more efficient in their metabolisms.

As far as exercise goes, maybe one standard deviation is enough to produce a brain effect. And maybe there is a lot of variation within modern populations, with many far enough below the average to have a significant effect.

I find it really hard to believe that any healthy Hunter/Gatherers sit around all day like so many moderns do.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by andy_ppp on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:37PM (#11997783)
> Repair enzymes from one part of they also effecting another

That's an even more fascinating idea; so what other things could create the conditions for other repair systems to be activated. Maybe meditation, maybe different drugs, plants, ketosis etc...

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by TheSpiceIsLife on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:58PM (#11998531)
Additionally, the lymphatic system doesn't have a pump like the circulatory system. So not only does exercise improve blood circulation thereby improving oxygen and nutrient delivery body wide, exercise improves lymph flow thereby assisting in removing metabolic waste products from the interstitial fluid. Also, the lymphatic system can be considered an immune organ, so exercise improves the immune response.

And, of course, we know nutrients like Zinc and Vitamin C are essential for tissue repair via being essential for DNA replication.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by fpoling on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:37PM (#11997785)
This does not imply that, for example, a daily or weekly peak of energy expenditure was the same. As training once per week for 15 minutes with weights is enough to grow muscles, it could be that hunter/gatheres needed to release energy at the max level like running away from a lion much more often than we do nowdays and during those releases the brain also had to work hardest.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @05:44PM (#11997817)
>during those releases the brain also had to work hardest

That is speculation, and is unintuitive. Why would the brain "work hardest" when running? Why would modern humans not exert the same forces during sport? Why would humans, the top group-oriented predator, run from a lion?

The data linked above shows that observed Physical Activity Levels and caloric use are comparable to modern day. Stop inserting your own assumptions into the data.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by NegativeLatency on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @06:34PM (#11998112)
> Why would humans, the top group-oriented predator, run from a lion?

I'd sure run from a lion if it was coming at me.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by afarrell on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @10:07PM (#11999051)
But what if it was coming at a group of ten of you and you were all armed with melee weapons?

Ghost & The Darkness aside, lions generally don't hunt humans. But humans did spend a bunch of time pursuing game over long distances.

Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by searine on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @01:12AM (#11999630)
We hunt lions for sport, and have for millennia. They are almost extinct because of it...
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by fpoling on Wednesday June 29, 2016 @03:48AM (#12000106)
The data do not indicate that we experience the same need to work at max energy for brief periods of time as hunter/gatheres. Besides running away from predators in most efficient way, consider throwing оf javelins or stones during hunting. It requires a very precise muscle work at max energy after intense brain activity of target selection. Modern day life does not involve that, yet evolutionary this combination of brain/muscle work at peak could be advantageous.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by Florin_Andrei on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:34PM (#11998428)
Any study that shows present-day humans (at least those living in Western societies) to get the same amounts of exercise as any other culture is bound to be deeply flawed.
Re:Exercise Releases Brain-Healthy Protein by Retra on Tuesday June 28, 2016 @07:46PM (#11998473)
How do you know this?