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Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:41PM (#11896197)
Seriously, did Apple fire their OSX / macOS team? Pretty much all new features are spinoffs of their iOS infrastructure (Siri, handover, etc.) and the main OS development and innovation seems to have stalled. Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups!

Is there anyone at Apple still working on innovating / improving OS X? Like people that tried to bring in ZFS, improve the Unix layer, work on Vulkan/3D/VR or something like that? O.o

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ejdyksen on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:23PM (#11896616)
They typically leave the keynote to high level features, or really big developer-focused features.

However, you're in luck; looks like Apple is introducing a new file system:

https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/schedule/#/details/701

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:29PM (#11896668)
High-level features like 3x larger emojis in an app? O.o
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by kahnpro on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:26PM (#11898250)
Yeah, I wasn't really sure what I was watching there... this is Apple?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by largote on Monday June 13, 2016 @09:04PM (#11899065)
These days, WWDC keynotes have the general public and media as their target audience.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by orbitur on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:37PM (#11896754)
Hey, one less reason for me to use FB Messenger. In complete honesty, I prefer FB Messenger because it seems a lot more expressive and it's way easier to access your photos.

FB is really stomping on iMessage in the chat realm, and I'm sad I have to wait for iOS 10.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:44PM (#11896811)
To be fair, it's probably stomping iMessage because you can also talk to people who didn't buy the same electronics brand.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Yhippa on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:17PM (#11897208)
I'm very torn about this. I can see why they might want to keep this on Apple hardware only. I've yet to see a video chat solution work as well as FaceTime on iOS devices does on Android. Maybe Duo is it but I need to see it to believe it.

Still, it's very frustrating. I have an Android device as my main phone but have an iPod touch to iMessage and FaceTime friends.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by stanmancan on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:27PM (#11897295)
Strange, I've had pretty bad luck using FaceTime. Anytime my wife goes away for work it seems to be laggy or calls don't connect, or it doesn't even ring on the other parties side.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by dijit on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:00PM (#11897597)
Not trying to dispel your point, but my girlfriend uses her iPhone to FaceTime her relatives in rural Russia with where their main broadband is spotty 3/4g modems; and it performs better than anything else they've tried.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by LeifCarrotson on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:38PM (#11898668)
Well, for Messenger to work you can only talk to people on the same social network.

Honestly, MMS/SMS, and email seem to work fine for me.

Though I am a little bummed that we're not all on an end-to-end encrypted XMPP standard communication by now...

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tiglionabbit on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:52PM (#11898734)
> Well, for Messenger to work you can only talk to people on the same social network.

You can casually install Facebook Messenger on your device. You can't casually have a second phone.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by basch on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:01PM (#11898781)
you can use messenger with just your phone number and no account. you dont need a facebook account.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by PascLeRasc on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:55PM (#11896961)
I think a bigger reason it's doing so well is because you don't need a phone number to contact someone. I have several friends who I first talked to on FB Messenger before I had their phone number.

Their wifi/data-based group messaging is also far superior to MMS groups.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:07PM (#11897100)
You don't need to use a phone number for iMessage and FaceTime, IIRC it also supports email addresses.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by stcredzero on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:36PM (#11897388)
Then it would be nice if Apple simply supported your preferred email address wholeheartedly and didn't keep trying to always rope you into an icloud email. Seriously, those are dark patterns that people hated (and still hate) about Microsoft and Windows.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by TazeTSchnitzel on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:50PM (#11897510)
Huh? Apple lets me use my own email address, unlike say, Google.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Adverblessly on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:14PM (#11897708)
I'm not sure if you'll find that helpful, but you can create a Google account with a non-gmail email. When you create your account, below the username textbox is a blue "I prefer to use my current email address". Never tried it myself though..
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by agret on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:14PM (#11903019)
They've changed it now so if you want to signup for a Google account it asks for your existing email and has a text link to signup for a gmail. If you are on the gmail landing page and hit sign up then it's how you stated though.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by stcredzero on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:04PM (#11897626)
It may well be that Google is worse, but I keep on having to opt-in my accustomed email address and shut off the icloud one. I've probably shut that thing off in Facetime over a dozen times. It keeps on coming back like some sort of boss zombie. It has even caused arguments with a girlfriend, when emails got sent to the icloud address because it keeps coming back. (Now forwarded.)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tjohns on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:06PM (#11897646)
Google lets you use your own email address. Not sure what the complaint here is.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mkj on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @05:14AM (#11900748)
If you also have an associated Gmail account it won't let you use another email address as the primary one.

That said I'm in some apple limbo land where I need to switch to an email address for iCloud but it won't let me use mine since I had a pre-email appleID. Yay.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Dayshine on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:53AM (#11901088)
What do you mean by primary?

You can't change your "username", but you can set it to send all correspondence, recovery, etc, to your non-gmail address.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mkj on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:52AM (#11902005)
I guess I mean the username. It was previously [email protected] but now it's an ugly [email protected] in all the Google UI.

Oh well, I avoid logging in anyway :)

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tiglionabbit on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:53PM (#11898749)
My Apple ID is a Gmail address. Never saw a problem with that.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by PascLeRasc on Monday June 13, 2016 @09:02PM (#11899053)
Still, you can meet someone organically and follow up with talking to them the next day knowing just their name and what mutual friends you have. Email and phone numbers are both unnatural arbitrary strings compared to names.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by pier25 on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:14PM (#11898173)
Nailed it.

Any app or service that isn't cross platform has no real future.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by robotresearcher on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:45PM (#11898363)
Some features are not intended to maximize penetration; they are differentiators for their platform. Super Mario has a real future and you can only get it on Nintendo.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ggreenbe on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:16PM (#11898544)
Right, but we are talking about a communication platform which inherently should be crossplatform
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by oldmanjay on Monday June 13, 2016 @11:31PM (#11899558)
"Should be" does not equate to "no future"
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by pier25 on Wednesday June 15, 2016 @02:52PM (#11911203)
I know this is purely anecdotal, but nobody around me with an iOS device uses Messages. Everyone is using Whatsapp, or Telegram.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by bla2 on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:07PM (#11898505)
Coincidentally, Super Mario is a single player game.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:30PM (#11898619)
That is, indeed, purely coincidental. The parent could have just as well said "Pokemon." :)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by redial on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:47AM (#11900043)
Halo.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by bovermyer on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:47PM (#11896846)
I really enjoy FB Messenger. There's a part of me that is disturbed by how deeply integrated into my life Facebook has become, but there's another part of me that just loves the convenience of it all.

Now if only they'd fix that random infinite-reload-loop bug that's been plaguing me for the past week...

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by throwanem on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:31PM (#11897858)
> There's a part of me that is disturbed by how deeply integrated into my life Facebook has become

You have no idea. I thought I was just choosing not to use Facebook - I didn't realize I was choosing not to have a social life any more, too.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by what_ever on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:04PM (#11898483)
I was hoping that they will launch iMessage on Android. I would have uninstalled FB messenger from my phone then.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by alttab on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:18AM (#11899743)
Problem is they don't want the dominate chat app, they want to sell iPhones.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by heartbreak on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:31PM (#11896690)
Attracts attention in the press.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by kylec on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:04PM (#11897066)
This is huge! I can understand that they wouldn't want to devote a lot of time to it, but I can't believe this wasn't even mentioned in the keynote. It is a developer conference after all.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tjl on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:12PM (#11897167)
They cover things like this in the "Developer State of the Union" which is the talk really focused at developers. That's later today.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by kylec on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:15PM (#11897193)
Where can I stream that?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by rarepostinlurkr on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:06PM (#11898495)
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc/live/#/. It's streaming there now.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by porsupah on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:16PM (#11898852)
Here, though not available just yet:

https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/102/

Via the index for WWDC 2016 videos:

https://developer.apple.com/videos/wwdc2016/

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by aardshark on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @07:37AM (#11901282)
"Streaming is available in Safari and through the WWDC app."

...is nobody else getting this message? Or am I just the only one who thinks this is bullshit?

Here is a direct link to the mp4: http://devstreaming.apple.com/videos/wwdc/2016/102w0bsn0ge83...

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ascagnel_ on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:06AM (#11901743)
Apple's been using HTTP live streaming for a few years; to date, nobody else fully supports it (although Edge has some limited support).

Twitch also has HTTPLS support; you can watch their streams in Safari without Flash installed.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by aardshark on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:17AM (#11901797)
Sure, but seeing as the live stream is over, you'd think they'd just autoplay the saved video instead.

I didn't actually notice that there are links to the videos in the Resources tab, so I guess it's not as bad as I thought.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by wlesieutre on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:33AM (#11901895)
You can also open the HLS streams with VLC
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by masklinn on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:17PM (#11897206)
You probably can't. You couldn't any previous year AFAIK, though they publish the sessions online afterwards (an other commenter posted the 2015 one)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by kylec on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:26PM (#11897284)
So essentially a big middle finger from Apple to anyone not attending the conference. Sigh.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by judofyr on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:46PM (#11897474)
The fact that they publish the sessions online afterwards doesn't sound like a "big middle finger" to me. Is it that important to view it live?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by aethant on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:55PM (#11898038)
Do you attend a lot of paid conferences that stream live for free in real time? That must be cool.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jamesjguthrie on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:15PM (#11898536)
Google I/O does.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by masklinn on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:54AM (#11900250)
I/O streams every session live?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by josso on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @04:38AM (#11900639)
No, they only streamed a single track live.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by masklinn on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @07:13AM (#11901179)
Well that's still pretty neat.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by pantalaimon on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @07:16AM (#11901188)
CCC does it
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by TeMPOraL on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:46PM (#11897475)
Or, maintaining the feeling of exclusivity of the event.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by foothrowjdhdb on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:18PM (#11897734)
developer.apple.com @2:30 pst
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by skygazer on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:26PM (#11897808)
The WWDC app on HR new Apple TV has the live stream, starting shortly.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by r2dnb on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:26PM (#11898249)
"Developer State of the Union", Jesus... you talk about a closed platform.

I've never been able to stand these ecosystems where you need to attend state of the unions to know what will be deprecated and how the "establishment" has decided you would run your business (tools, etc...).

I know there's good money to be made there but Apple is just too much for me.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by MrTonyD on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @10:16AM (#11902135)
If it's any consolation, I've been downvoted a bunch of times when I tell stories about my time working for Steve at NeXT. People just don't seem to like hearing things that disagree with whatever perspective they hold. (And Steve used to refer to our software as the "crown jewels" that needed to be kept secret at any cost - even if we lost business or bankrupted partners. Steve freely admitted that we would overcharge anybody who was naive enough to pay high prices. But people don't like to hear that - even though I was in many meetings with Steve where he said those things.) And I should add that I'm not anti-Apple. I think we need to be able to see people and companies clearly - warts and all. Otherwise, how can we react to the real world?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jacquesm on Thursday June 16, 2016 @05:22PM (#11918985)
I think the problem you are facing is that you have made some pretty outlandish claims with some basis in fact but also with some embellishments as to your role in all this and that HN has a whole pile of old timers on board many of who might have been present as other parties to those very same happenings. Likely they have long ago figured out who you really are.

That coupled with a hatred for rich people, the '1%' as you call them, and the fact that almost every major development in computing - according to you - in the last 20 years had your hand in it makes it hard to believe anything you say.

Maybe just stick to the facts, leave out the embellishments. For instance 'your time at NeXT' was just a single year but if we're to believe your comments then you were the guy that singlehandedly saved NeXT, Apple, Linux and Oracle to boot and if it weren't for a small glitch in your thinking we might have had global internet some years earlier.

It seems a bit much for one person, even if they've been quite active, Forrest Gump was fiction, not a biography.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by MrTonyD on Friday June 17, 2016 @03:50AM (#11921192)
Hmmm...sounds like a lot of things being conflated. I do think that the 1% has too much of the wealth, but I'm not sure how that is related to other things that I've said. You may disagree with that, but I'm not sure that justifies any downvote about my observations of the 1%. And, as best I can recall, I've only described computer-related events that I was present for. You may disagree, that is your right, but I was actually there and involved with the projects I've described. (And I worked in three different groups and multiple projects during my time at NeXT - it was chaotic to say the least. If one of your "old timers" thinks they know everything I did there, I would be pretty skeptical about that person's credibility.) I've never claimed to have saved any company at all - so I'm not sure where that comes from. I can't help it if I happened to grow up and work in Silicon Valley - where a lot of things were happening related to computers. Just because you weren't around when such decisions were being made, doesn't mean that nobody was.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jacquesm on Friday June 17, 2016 @07:39AM (#11922012)
Let's just say that adding 'and in a court of law I'll claim I made it all up' doesn't do much to add credence.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure you're more than welcome here but HN is kind of skeptical and if you are anonymous and start making grandiose claims about conversations between the execs of the largest companies in the IT space at some point in time expect some pushback ;)

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by eric_h on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:40PM (#11898335)
To be fair, you don't need to attend anything, just wait 24 hours and read all the blog posts.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tjl on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:35AM (#11900180)
Actually, they put up the videos on their site and you can watch them there or download them. So, complaining that you can't stream it is a really minor complaint. Plus, I tried to stream it on my Apple TV and it wasn't available to stream, so the complaint is completely invalid.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tehabe on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:05PM (#11897087)
The Apple File System will be a preview in Sierra, it will be introduced in 2017.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by namsral on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:47PM (#11896854)
I think I can hear John Siracusa cheering from the other side of the pond.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tjl on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:13PM (#11897172)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by abalone on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:32PM (#11898629)
Seriously, how is this the top comment? They are in fact working on a brand new filesystem under the hood plus a Dropbox Infinite competitor, on top of all the other stuff. They didn't exactly phone this one in.

Also from the likes of your pet feature wishlist I'm not sure you are making an informed critique. Apple has withdrawn from the Vulkan group and put serious effort into its own graphics API, Metal. While you may not like that decision, it's no indication of low engineering investment.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by andromeduck on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:35PM (#11898654)
That's too bad. I really wanted to play with Vulkan on my mac
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by frozenport on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:39PM (#11898675)
Then don't buy overpriced crap from Apple. I don't, and it makes me sad when I have to support their dysfunctional platform.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by raimue on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @04:13AM (#11900541)
APFS is only a developer preview in macOS Sierra, your system will not use it by default. It is meant for production use with the 2017 release.

The filesystem does not seem to include any innovation, it is just catching up to the state of the art. A new filesystem was long overdue ever since ZFS was dismissed.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by TazeTSchnitzel on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @04:56AM (#11900689)
It's focused on SSDs and encryption, though, so it's modern.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by pixelcloud on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @08:57AM (#11901691)
I read that as. We are going to make sure spinning disk performance REALLY sucks this time.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by harryh on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:44PM (#11896246)
I would settle for fixing the bug where I have to restart Finder to rebuild the connection every time my NAS drive spins down.

Also the combination of screensharing to a headless MacMini and then AirPlaying to an Apple TV produces some fairly loathsome results.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by imron on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:47PM (#11896269)
How about the bug where you need to force quit coreaudiod to restore sound to the speakers after resuming from sleep?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by lostlogin on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:50PM (#11896895)
How about the computer randomly going back to sleep 2 min after opening. Happens on 3x MacBooks. Force restart.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by qubex on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:19AM (#11899950)
Me too!
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by stephenr on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:13AM (#11899722)
Funny I have the opposite. I often need to induce a sleep/wake cycle to restore detection of external speakers. Killing coreaudiod does not fix it, but a restart or (I recently learned) sleep/wake does.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by imron on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:11AM (#11899922)
Plugging headphones in and taking them out again also seems to fix it sometimes, but I don't always have a pair of headphones by my desk.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by stephenr on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:39AM (#11900016)
Yeah so my issue is pretty much opposite of yours it seems.

If I have headphones/speakers plugged in, and unplug them (usually to swap from headphones to speakers, or vice-versa), often after I unplug, it won't recognise that I plug something back in.

I used to think this happened when some perhaps-not-so-diligent audio using apps were open (I'm looking at you Skype) but it seems to happen more and more. Then again I'm already on my 3rd logic board for this MBP (both times replaced because of dedicated GPU failure), which is the 2nd MBP I've had that's had that same problem fixed twice.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by imron on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:08AM (#11900112)
Skype and Mail are the two ones I notice.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by matthew-wegner on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:49PM (#11896289)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by harryh on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:52PM (#11896306)
Oh nifty. Thanks!
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by adamnemecek on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:46PM (#11896263)
Oh that's a Finder bug? I was blaming Synology but I'm basing that on nothing.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by harryh on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:48PM (#11896282)
Huh. I suppose it could be Synology? Either way it's hella annoying.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by evo_9 on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:54PM (#11896327)
I think this is on Synology issue, my Samsung TV routinely loses the NAS drive while streaming media. Not constantly but randomly once or twice a day; I have to power my TV off/on to get it to see the drive again. Meanwhile the same NAS connect to my Macbook Air, iPads and iPhones (for the kids) never drops the NAS.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:38PM (#11898671)
I used to have a "once or twice a day things the internet suddenly gets really flaky from certain hosts" problem. It turns out it was my router, somehow being so crap at DHCP lease renewal that it was wedging the hosts connected to it. Since I was already using a bunch of Apple stuff, I put my router/gateway in bridge mode and plopped an AirPort Extreme behind it, and the problems went away.

Though, given the particular devices you list, the problem might actually be support vs. lack thereof for 802.1q (media QoS). Apple hardware supports it at all price levels; every other vendor seems to see it as an enterprise feature (for e.g. VoIP softphone VLANs) and doesn't bother including support for it in their consumer chipsets.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mabcat on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:56AM (#11900263)
Nah, happens with my AirPort Extreme mounts as well
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by x0x0 on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:32PM (#11896704)
What nas / fs are you using?

My mac really doesn't like being slept with a nas file share mounted; stuff regularly gets corrupted. Or if the wifi glitches.

Thanks!

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:33PM (#11898634)
How are you connected to the NAS drive? If it has the option, making it an iSCSI target and installing an iSCSI initiator works wonders compared to most network file-system setups.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @04:32AM (#11900614)
Does that require the nas to be formated to compatible FS?

Does it still freeze and hang Finder regularly after you move away from the network where the NAS is available?

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by crb on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:20PM (#11896582)
That class of announcements, if any, will be in the 'developer State of the Union' address this afternoon, not in the press event you just saw.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by super_mario on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @06:44AM (#11901050)
Yes, Apple considers general purpose computers a legacy technology and more so a legacy business. Apple would much rather be in the locked down, small screen appliance business, i.e. computing devices made for techno-phobic user base.

But it may backfire spectacularly on them, since once they abandoned general purpose computers and server operating systems, their cloud services will/are suffering as a consequence.

Really, if you are a software developer not specifically developing for Apple platforms you are much better off building yourself a Linux system at this point.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by grey-area on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:22PM (#11896602)
iOS devices brought in revenue in Q1 2016 of around 58B, vs 7B for macOS - even iPad sales alone are greater than macOS devices. You can expect this focus on iOS to continue, or even accelerate, as they focus on making more money from all those iOS devices (like driving adoption of iCloud, Apple Music and other monthly subscriptions).

http://www.statista.com/statistics/382136/quarterly-segments...

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:41PM (#11898682)
You could say that macOS was responsible for a good amount of the iOS revenue, insofar as 1. devs using Macs are a lot more likely to spontaneously decide to try developing iOS apps, and 2. having more iOS apps sells more iOS devices.

If Apple only sold iOS devices and you had to develop for them from e.g. Windows, I don't think the app ecosystem would have been nearly as large—making getting one a rather less attractive proposition.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ben_jones on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:03PM (#11898794)
I got my first mac product (mbp) a few months ago, I've dabbled in OSX development but still feel guilty for not trying iOS dev yet, despite not even owning an iPhone.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ddoolin on Monday June 13, 2016 @11:29PM (#11899550)
You honestly don't even need an iPhone until serious testing seeing as the Xcode simulators are amazingly functional.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by matthewmacleod on Monday June 13, 2016 @02:56PM (#11896338)
That seems a little unfair. They did a bit of this in the last couple of rounds - introducing Metal, for example, or all the energy work they did a couple of releases ago.

Baby steps :)

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:11PM (#11896471)
Metal is a proprietary 3D technology ported from iOS. Apple chose to do another closed tech instead of adopting Vulkan or fixing their slow OpenGL implementation.

If you look at the numbers, you'll see that Metal is about 30% faster than OpenGL on OS X, which is interesting because OpenGL is about 30% slower on OS X than on Windows. Which means they're forcing developers to use their proprietary API to get comparable 3D performance. How is that a good thing?

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mayoff on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:16PM (#11896533)
To be fair (regarding "closed tech"), Apple was hardly the only one to release a propriety Vulkan alternative (there's also Mantle and DX12) and Apple released Metal to developers almost two years before Vulkan 1.0 was released.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jsheard on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:32PM (#11896714)
The difference is the Windows driver model allows IHVs to implement Vulkan alongside the proprietary DX12. Microsoft may not support it but they've provided the framework to let it happen anyway.

In contrast Apple exclusively controls the macOS graphics stack top to bottom, so as long as they don't explicitly support Vulkan they're forcing developers to use their proprietary API.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by chc on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:46PM (#11896838)
Vulkan is based on Mantle, and DX12 can coexist with Vulkan because Microsoft doesn't take responsibility for all of Windows' OpenGL and Vulkan support. In this area at least, Apple really is doubling down on proprietary technology where others aren't so much.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ioquatix on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:34AM (#11901897)
One aspect of their decision to run with Metal that surprises me, is that they decided the cost of developing and maintaining an API of that level of complexity was worth it. I'd like to know what they were thinking.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Someone on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @01:04PM (#11903418)
I think they looked at how 'well' third parties developed Mac OS X drivers for OpenGL, and figured that wouldn't get better.

Assuming they knew about Vulkan in time (Vulkan was announced at SigGraph 2014, about a year before Metal's _release_, so that may have been tight), I guess they assumed things wouldn't get better if they replaced OpenGL with another open technology.

Also, from what I read, Vulkan doesn't do anything implicitly, OpenGL does lots of things implicitly. They may have thought that the optimum API lies between the two.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by chc on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @03:05PM (#11904461)
Don't Apple make their own crappy OpenGL drivers, not third parties?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Someone on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @04:36PM (#11905128)
I don't think Apple ever publicly stated anything about it, but my $0.02 is on "The latter seems more plausible to me" in http://apple.stackexchange.com/a/213893:

"There is debate over whether Apple make the entire driver set themselves, or just take NVidia/AMD's core code & add their own hardware/OS-specific code to it. The latter seems more plausible to me, but either is just speculation."

I also notice that that page mentions drivers that can be downloaded directly from Nvidia, but gives no indication that either driver is significantly better than the other. That is not inconsistent with them essentially using the same source code.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by arca_vorago on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:27PM (#11897820)
You know, I really think this line of argument on HN is getting old and needs to be relegated to the dustbin of intellectual discussion.

Saying "Well, but X did $similarthing" as a loose form of justification of whatever Z is doing, like some strange variation of the "not as bad" fallacy. (Though I understand you're point about industry modus operandi)

a cookie if anyone knows the actual fallacy this falls under

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by sjwright on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:35PM (#11898938)
It falls under the appeal to hypocrisy fallacy, albeit with inverted logic.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by rangibaby on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:57PM (#11898443)
I've seen it called "whataboutism"
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by rjeli on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:15PM (#11898848)
"two wrongs don't make a right"
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:46PM (#11898704)
Basically making it like OSX's implementation of EFI vs. UEFI, or their Lightning cables vs. USB-C:

1. Apple creates their own implementation of something and pushes the industry forward;

2. Everyone else realizes it's a good idea, and standardizes on something slightly different/incompatible (usually with Apple on the standards committee!);

3. Apple continue using their own thing that Works For Them rather than adopting the standard.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by masklinn on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @02:56AM (#11900260)
That's incorrect with respect to Metal, AMD's Mantle predates Metal and is what pushed the industry forwards.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by hajile on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @10:32AM (#11902224)
The closest Apple ever got to making a standard was 1394, but even then, other companies were behind it (and thus the famous story about Jobs wanting to charge for 1394 until he found out Apple would be paying a fortune to other companies).

EFI was made by Intel and UEFI was basically EFI 2.0.

Thunderbolt was made by intel (lightning was a cheaper spec from AMD that didn't require expensive active cables). USB-mini breaks and displayport mini is big. What we got instead was USB-C which unifies both of them. Thunderbolt used displayport mini, but the latest 3.0 spec uses USB-C. The fact that all three technologies are starting to unify on the same connector is very beneficial and none of this is dislike for Apple.

Likewise, AMD made the mantle APIs for lower-level work and then turned them over to Kronos where they became the basis of Vulcan. Apple's metal API and doubling down by leaving the Vulcan work group is either "not invented here" or vendor lock-in.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:20PM (#11896580)
Hmm, what does "to be fair" mean in this context? That it's ok because other people did a shitty move as well?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by fredoliveira on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @11:31AM (#11902644)
It feels like you're completely ignoring the second part of his sentence.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izym on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:11PM (#11898151)
Mantle is not proprietary. Metal being usable before Vulkan doesn't exactly make up for the complete lack of Vulkan support and anything past OpenGL 4.1.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Grazester on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:29PM (#11896667)
Didn't Mantle give rise to Vulkan?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by masklinn on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:56PM (#11896981)
Yes, Mantle was donated to Khronos in early 2015 (or maybe late 2014) and became the basis for the new glNext effort (after the failure of Long Peaks)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mitchty on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:16PM (#11896535)
Metal came out before Vulkan did, not sure you can couch that as them choosing to do another closed tech.

How is Metal any different from DirectX/Direct3D in this regard?

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:20PM (#11896584)
It's not.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by sofaofthedamned on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:04PM (#11896407)
Metal is basically their proprietary version of Vulkan isn't it?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by orbitur on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:17PM (#11896544)
Metal came out before Vulkan.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by masklinn on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:00PM (#11897028)
It's conceptually similar, but is probably more properly related to Mantle (the AMD API later donated to Khronos, which they developed into Vulkan) and its initial release predates that of Vulkan by ~18 months (Metal was announced in September 2014 for iOS, the OSX port was released in June 2015, the initial release of Vulkan was in February 2016).
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izym on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:13PM (#11898167)
Somewhat, but with more (forced) automatic resource management.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by pilif on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:30PM (#11896677)
They did introduce a new file system - it just wasn't part of the keynote.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by sirn on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:33PM (#11896721)
Huh, this is true. Now this is super exciting.

> Session 701 Introducing Apple File System

> The Apple File System (APFS) is the next-generation file system designed to scale from an Apple Watch to a Mac Pro. APFS is optimized for Flash/SSD storage, and engineered with encryption as a primary feature. Learn about APFS benefits versus HFS+ and how to make sure your file system code is compatible.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:35PM (#11896743)
It indeed is. Now dare I hope for PowerNap APIs? ;)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jaxondu on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:43PM (#11896806)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tehabe on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:07PM (#11897105)
Apple lists a few limitations for APFS, one being: "Filenames are currently case-sensitive only."

My thought: hey, that is a feature!

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:43PM (#11898690)
It seems phrased in the particularly Apple-y style that usually means "we're seeing whether we're allowed to throw this legacy feature away or whether something will force us to put support for it back in."
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ascagnel_ on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:11AM (#11901766)
More accurately: "we still need to see how badly this breaks Photoshop and iTunes or their builds."
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tehabe on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:56AM (#11902028)
Years ago, I used HFSX on my machine but I don't remember that iTunes broke because of that. A lot of other things broke though.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by DasIch on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:09PM (#11898817)
HFS+ can be configured to be both case-sensitive and not (the default). So in that sense it's a regression.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by MBCook on Monday June 13, 2016 @09:27PM (#11899139)
As I seem to remember running in case sensitive mode broke tons and tons of apps that made assumptions based on the history of HFS+ being case insensitive.

I'd be very interested to know if they run case-sensitive by default are not in the final release.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by tehabe on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:53PM (#11903335)
I finally understand a bug on OSX which bugged me for a long time. When I stored a file with the name äöü on and HFS+ volume and wanted to access this file via ä[tab] is would work. It was eventually fixed.

But know I know why this happened. HFS+ normalise the letter and ä becomes two characters, the a and the umlaut dots. And bash didn't know that or didn't care, so it so no file with an ä but with an a at the beginning.

Is this analysis correct? I so hope that APFS will be a little bit more sane.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by beedogs on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:31PM (#11897333)
I am getting progressively more fed up with Apple with every new iteration of OS X, but unfortunately, none of the things I need to run will work on Linux yet. Hopefully that changes, because I don't know how much longer I can hold out.

Even their hardware isn't that good anymore -- they haven't updated the Mac Pro since 2013, for instance.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by ddoolin on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:41PM (#11897440)
Makes me wonder what they're doing with all that cash...saving it for the Apple Car? I'm with you, getting progressively more annoyed at the lack of hardware updates.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by kilroy123 on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:27PM (#11897817)
They're sitting on it and letting it invest. So pretty much nothing, except some stock buy back.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-isnt-really-sitting-o...

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by scholia on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @09:04AM (#11901730)
They're avoiding paying taxes on it (as is Microsoft). It's more profitable to raise debt at low interest rates than repatriate cash and pay taxes.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by scholia on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @05:40PM (#11905551)
I assume this got downvoted by somebody who doesn't know the facts and/or didn't understand the point. If so, this is a pity, because it's better to learn from what you don't understand, rather than downvote it out of ignorance.

I wss replying to this comment:

> They're sitting on it and letting it invest. So pretty much nothing, except some stock buy back.

The last part is not true. If you read the link included with that comment, it says:

More importantly, almost all of Apple’s cash and securities are stashed overseas, proceeds from sales outside the United States that Apple will not bring back because it would then have to pay U.S. taxes. Maestri said Tuesday that $200 billion of Apple’s reserves — a whopping 93% — are overseas, and Cook has expressly said Apple does not plan to sacrifice roughly 40% of that stash in order to bring the proceeds home to Cupertino, Calif.

While cash and securities pile up overseas, Apple is piling up debt in the United States. The company currently sits on about $53.2 billion in long-term debt obligations as well as $32.2 billion in “non-current liabilities,” after executing a series of bond sales including the largest in history for a nonfinancial U.S. business.

There's also a report in the Wall Street Journal, which says in the headline: Apple to issue $10 billion to $12 billion of bonds to finance share buybacks, dividends (1)

So, exactly as I said, Apple is not using its cash for "some stock buy back". It is raising debt for that purpose. It is raising debt precisely and exactly to avoid repatriating overseas cash and paying taxes on it.

I am not making this up, it's what Tim Cook says: "Cook has expressly said Apple does not plan to sacrifice roughly 40% of that stash in order to bring the proceeds home to Cupertino, Calif."

(1) http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-to-issue-10-billion-t...

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mozumder on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:02PM (#11896397)
> Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups!

This is a keynote for the entire conference. They wouldn't mention something as trivial as this. Only major items get mentioned.

The small features are mentioned throughout the week in the conference sessions.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by sirn on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:19PM (#11896565)
Exactly. For developers, Platforms State of the Union is usually the one you want to watch. The WWDC Keynote is always more of a consumer facing side of things nowadays. Platforms State of the Union is always more of a low level behind-the-scene features.

Here's the WWDC 2015 video in case anyone is interested: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2015/102/

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:13PM (#11896496)
Did they mention anything useful for us power users buying their most expensive machines for work?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by elif on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:20PM (#11896583)
Yeah, nothing says major like 10 minutes on text effects and 5 minutes of an exec playing her ipod for a room of people.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:03PM (#11898793)
WWDC is a conference for developers, but Apple's developers are almost all B2C developers, so the keynote has a specific purpose related to that.

The keynote is basically there to prove to Apple's B2C developers that the "Apple platform" will still be a viable market to sell to for the next year, such that it's worth investing time into to learn all their proprietary platform stuff at the very same conference.

Apple proves their market-viability going forward, by demonstrating all the consumer-facing features that will attract consumers to their devices, where they can then spend money on the B2C developers' apps.

This is also why they screen ads: they're showing the developers their strategy for attracting customers, to buoy up their faith in Apple's market strategy. Apple creating impressive ad copy for their platform directly affects your bottom line as an Apple B2C app dev—so you want to see that they've done it.

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Note that all this stands in stark contrast to Microsoft's strategy: they love their developers too, but those mainly consist of B2B developers. And you don't win over B2B devs by proving that your platform will attract home users. You win over B2B devs by showing all the Enterprise-y features which your platform will use to guarantee the Enterprise-y deployments the B2B devs sell to; and how it will easily integrate with everything customers already have, such that there won't be an "incompatible" ecosystem of boxen serving some purpose that grows on its own rather than being absorbed into a larger Active Directory domain.

This is, for example, why Windows Server 2016 is all about virtualization: the latest incompatible-cluster tumor growing in the middle of what are otherwise Microsoft shop is private "virtual cloud" infrastructure using VMWare/Citrix/RedHat VM host appliances. If Windows can't integrate with those, acting as their peer or manager or SAN or whatever, then those machines will take over the datacenter and Windows will just become the thing being run in a VM on them.)

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mozumder on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:31PM (#11898626)
In case you haven't noticed from Snapchat, these silly text effects is what millions of people actually care about.

The more developer-facing items will be in the sessions, not the keynote.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by spacecowboy_lon on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @04:10AM (#11900530)
It would be nice if OSX could actually work with share point - a big issue if you have a mixed OSX / Wintel Shop.

It's not a major issue just adding more modern crypto.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by EugeneOZ on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:41PM (#11898339)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by sovande on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:29PM (#11898272)
Well, they have "innovated" on security in a very detrimental way for us developers. SIP, for example, plus rheumatic sandbox rules has made coding on OS X very unpleasant and limited. It is like Apple don't want us to develop anything useful on OS X.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by mickronome on Monday June 13, 2016 @07:07PM (#11898503)
I can't really escape a feeling which tells me that apple wants to get rid of OSX completely. Ever since I posited the possibility a few years ago, they have followed my estimated trajectory almost perfectly, only a little slower. Bringing more and more iOS into OSX, even where it doesn't _really_ fit. The dual use file system lockdown (etc) feigning increased security as it's sole motive, but in reality it's as much about pushing all code within a set of API's shared between iOS and OSX.

I admit it sounds a bit like crazy talk, I guess we'll find out in a couple years.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by coldtea on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:10PM (#11896461)
>Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups!

I don't think they ever added features for deprecated technologies / limitations. The assumption going forward (and for the last several years) from all players is always on / cheap broadband, not "metered connections".

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by hackaflocka on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:13PM (#11896493)
My relatives in /another country/ are on metered connections for everything (home internet, mobile, etc.). It's not a smart assumption for Apple to make.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:24PM (#11896617)
I disagree, it's a very valid assumption to make given that mobile data quotas are increasing and metered broadband connections are most likely going to be a thing of the past.

Edit: Also, Apples targets the premium segment of the market. Who are less likely to have such limitations.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Animats on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:31PM (#11896692)
It's a very valid assumption to make given that mobile data quotas are increasing and metered broadband connections are most likely going to be a thing of the past.

The trend is in the other direction. AT&T now has data caps even on DSL lines. Almost all "unlimited" plans really have some limit.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:38PM (#11896760)
Isn't fiber being rolled out across the US?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jedberg on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:48PM (#11896861)
Yep. And it has a cap too. In fact, that cap is so low that if you max out your connection for just over two hours you'll be over the cap for the month.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:46PM (#11897973)
Seems like AT&T are increasing the caps and adding the option to have an "unlimited" version: http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/03/att-boosts-data-caps...
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jedberg on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:09PM (#11898820)
That calculation was based on the new "increased" cap.

And yes, for $30 you can have unlimited bandwidth. And for $30 more you can opt out of them scanning and recording your activity for ad targeting.

So now the price has literally doubled to have decent internet. How can they get away with that? Lack of competition.

And that is what this thread is really about. Until there is some competition, we won't see ubiquitous, cheap, high-speed internet.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by duncan_bayne on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:22AM (#11899770)
> And for $30 more you can opt out of them scanning and recording your activity for ad targeting.

Ouch, is that actually a thing with American ISPs these days? :(

That said I haven't asked _my_ ISP whether they do that.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jedberg on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:46AM (#11899840)
I think AT&T is the second one to admit that they do that and then charge you money to get out of it. The first was a small local ISP that didn't offer any way out and quickly backed down after pushback from their customers.

Chances are the other American ISPs do it, they just burry it in the terms of service. So AT&T figured out they could make some extra cash off of their privacy conscience customers who don't know how to use VPN.

And chances are they still collect and aggregate the data, they just don't retarget you specifically.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by blakeyrat on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:40PM (#11898337)
Not in my area. Verizon was working on it, then they threw in the towel and sold all their non-mobile business in Washington State to Frontier, who has made it crystal clear they won't be doing any more fiber roll-outs any time soon.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by etrautmann on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:32PM (#11896706)
As bandwidth gets cheaper our usage will increase. Adding the capability for privilege certain usage (I just want to check my email while I'm tethered) is crucial for the foreseeable future.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:47PM (#11896847)
This is a great argument, but I suspect that we'll see a similar pattern as we did with processing power: We got to the point where we really didn't need more horsepower and could focus on other things, such as energy efficiency.

That won't happen at the same time everywhere but where I'm from it's almost here already. Every apartment in the city either has fiber or really fast cable, it's cheap and the limitations are so high that you really have to try hard to run into them. For mobile data you can get 4G with 20+ gigs per month for less than $20.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by majewsky on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:38PM (#11897411)
And where I live (Germany), ISPs are monopolized enough that they are literally selling 4G plans with 3 GB per month at €40 per month.

I'm on 1 GB (3G speed) for €10, about the cheapest plan that I could find.

EDIT: And to add insult to injury, German Telekom is still connecting new buildings with 6 megabit connections or less in some places. (And I mean downtown. Some rural regions can be lucky to get 1 megabit.)

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by flashman on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:13PM (#11898838)
> Apples targets the premium segment of the market. Who are less likely to have such limitations.

I frequently tether my MacBook Air to my phone's data connection, which is limited to 1.5GB a month (on an overage rate of 20c/MB). It would be nice if I could permanently designate my phone as a throttled connection and expect the OS and apps to respect that (even so far as having, say, Chrome limit the amount of images and Javascript it downloads from sites).

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:14PM (#11896511)
How is connecting your Mac to iPhone / other phone LTE hotspot a "deprecated" techonolgy?

Having App Store download updates over a limited dataplan or even killing your non-perfect-signal HSDPA connection with updates is still utterly annoying.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:09PM (#11898815)
Metered connections are the "deprecated" technology. Apple really does assume a world where the marginal MB of data is effectively free. (See, for example, the Wi-Fi Assist feature.)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by nileshtrivedi on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:24PM (#11896623)
Not really. The whole progressive web apps movement is based on the assumption that poor/expensive connectivity is here to stay for a long time.