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Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by coldtea on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:10PM (#11896461)
>Not even a feature like telling software that you're on a metered connection and it shouldn't run backups!

I don't think they ever added features for deprecated technologies / limitations. The assumption going forward (and for the last several years) from all players is always on / cheap broadband, not "metered connections".

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by hackaflocka on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:13PM (#11896493)
My relatives in /another country/ are on metered connections for everything (home internet, mobile, etc.). It's not a smart assumption for Apple to make.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:24PM (#11896617)
I disagree, it's a very valid assumption to make given that mobile data quotas are increasing and metered broadband connections are most likely going to be a thing of the past.

Edit: Also, Apples targets the premium segment of the market. Who are less likely to have such limitations.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by Animats on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:31PM (#11896692)
It's a very valid assumption to make given that mobile data quotas are increasing and metered broadband connections are most likely going to be a thing of the past.

The trend is in the other direction. AT&T now has data caps even on DSL lines. Almost all "unlimited" plans really have some limit.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:38PM (#11896760)
Isn't fiber being rolled out across the US?
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jedberg on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:48PM (#11896861)
Yep. And it has a cap too. In fact, that cap is so low that if you max out your connection for just over two hours you'll be over the cap for the month.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @05:46PM (#11897973)
Seems like AT&T are increasing the caps and adding the option to have an "unlimited" version: http://arstechnica.com/business/2016/03/att-boosts-data-caps...
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jedberg on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:09PM (#11898820)
That calculation was based on the new "increased" cap.

And yes, for $30 you can have unlimited bandwidth. And for $30 more you can opt out of them scanning and recording your activity for ad targeting.

So now the price has literally doubled to have decent internet. How can they get away with that? Lack of competition.

And that is what this thread is really about. Until there is some competition, we won't see ubiquitous, cheap, high-speed internet.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by duncan_bayne on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:22AM (#11899770)
> And for $30 more you can opt out of them scanning and recording your activity for ad targeting.

Ouch, is that actually a thing with American ISPs these days? :(

That said I haven't asked _my_ ISP whether they do that.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by jedberg on Tuesday June 14, 2016 @12:46AM (#11899840)
I think AT&T is the second one to admit that they do that and then charge you money to get out of it. The first was a small local ISP that didn't offer any way out and quickly backed down after pushback from their customers.

Chances are the other American ISPs do it, they just burry it in the terms of service. So AT&T figured out they could make some extra cash off of their privacy conscience customers who don't know how to use VPN.

And chances are they still collect and aggregate the data, they just don't retarget you specifically.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by blakeyrat on Monday June 13, 2016 @06:40PM (#11898337)
Not in my area. Verizon was working on it, then they threw in the towel and sold all their non-mobile business in Washington State to Frontier, who has made it crystal clear they won't be doing any more fiber roll-outs any time soon.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by etrautmann on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:32PM (#11896706)
As bandwidth gets cheaper our usage will increase. Adding the capability for privilege certain usage (I just want to check my email while I'm tethered) is crucial for the foreseeable future.
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by leogiertz on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:47PM (#11896847)
This is a great argument, but I suspect that we'll see a similar pattern as we did with processing power: We got to the point where we really didn't need more horsepower and could focus on other things, such as energy efficiency.

That won't happen at the same time everywhere but where I'm from it's almost here already. Every apartment in the city either has fiber or really fast cable, it's cheap and the limitations are so high that you really have to try hard to run into them. For mobile data you can get 4G with 20+ gigs per month for less than $20.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by majewsky on Monday June 13, 2016 @04:38PM (#11897411)
And where I live (Germany), ISPs are monopolized enough that they are literally selling 4G plans with 3 GB per month at €40 per month.

I'm on 1 GB (3G speed) for €10, about the cheapest plan that I could find.

EDIT: And to add insult to injury, German Telekom is still connecting new buildings with 6 megabit connections or less in some places. (And I mean downtown. Some rural regions can be lucky to get 1 megabit.)

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by flashman on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:13PM (#11898838)
> Apples targets the premium segment of the market. Who are less likely to have such limitations.

I frequently tether my MacBook Air to my phone's data connection, which is limited to 1.5GB a month (on an overage rate of 20c/MB). It would be nice if I could permanently designate my phone as a throttled connection and expect the OS and apps to respect that (even so far as having, say, Chrome limit the amount of images and Javascript it downloads from sites).

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by izacus on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:14PM (#11896511)
How is connecting your Mac to iPhone / other phone LTE hotspot a "deprecated" techonolgy?

Having App Store download updates over a limited dataplan or even killing your non-perfect-signal HSDPA connection with updates is still utterly annoying.

Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by derefr on Monday June 13, 2016 @08:09PM (#11898815)
Metered connections are the "deprecated" technology. Apple really does assume a world where the marginal MB of data is effectively free. (See, for example, the Wi-Fi Assist feature.)
Re:OS X is now macOS and gets support for Siri, auto unlock by nileshtrivedi on Monday June 13, 2016 @03:24PM (#11896623)
Not really. The whole progressive web apps movement is based on the assumption that poor/expensive connectivity is here to stay for a long time.