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Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by drakonka on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:21PM (#10487708)
It looks like Livecoding have now updated my profile for me, to claim I am "spamming them":

https://www.livecoding.tv/lazer/

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by minimaxir on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:24PM (#10487727)

   DICE.COM EMPLOYEE SPAMMING LIVECODING.TV
   Liza Shulyayeva banned for spamming. WORKS FOR DICE.com and is just spamming Livecoding.tv

   BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING

   BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING+

   BANNED FROM LIIVECODING.TV FOR SPAMMING
...did they mispell their own startup in their vandalism?

Also, per her LinkedIn, the OP works for DICE the game-development studio (subsidiary of EA, made Battlefield, etc.), not Dice.com (job hunting site).

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by s5edvvddd on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:06PM (#10488292)
In the last 30 minutes they fixed the misspelling but kept the text as it is. This means someone is currently following this problem and thinks they are in the right by doing this.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:23PM (#10489191)
This is incredible. I've never seen anything like this in my entire life.

A company blatantly pissing off much of its would-be userbase and sticking to its grossly incompetent guns, obviously not caring at all.

I literally cannot imagine a way they could handle this more poorly.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brazzledazzle on Sunday November 01, 2015 @10:14PM (#10489772)
This has to be mental illness or drugs. Completely bizarre.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brighteyes on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:02AM (#10490090)
Another possibility, but not a likely one, is that the site has been hacked by someone that is trying to make them look as bad as possible.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brazzledazzle on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:22PM (#10493307)
Unless this hacker was able to get the COO's HN account as well that seems unlikely. And even then a call to someone at YC to jump into the thread and let everyone know it was a hack wouldn't be too hard.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by facetube on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:23AM (#10490673)
Yeah, their CEO. cymbal
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by DanBC on Monday November 02, 2015 @06:29AM (#10491271)
Bit frustrating that you see poor behaviour that's hard to understand and leap to "mentally ill", rather than "scumbag".
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Monday November 02, 2015 @06:57AM (#10491374)
That's just trying desperately to give the benefit of the doubt. "Surely no one would be this bad on purpose."
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brazzledazzle on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:04PM (#10493106)
As austenallred mentioned, I'm trying to give them the benefit of the doubt.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by DanBC on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:54PM (#10495148)
But by linking mental illness to scumbag behaviour you're making life worse for all the people with mental illness who aren't scumbags - which is most of them.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brazzledazzle on Monday November 02, 2015 @07:24PM (#10496482)
A group that I am a member of. Perhaps I'm biased but I don't feel like my life is particularly worsened.

I've had the misfortune of bearing witness to paranoia fueled by both mental illness and drug abuse (and a combination of both). I've also worked with and for unapologetic assholes. There are things about this case and his communications that have me leaning toward the former.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by phpnode on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:34PM (#10488420)
This behaviour is absolutely incredible, probably the most tone-deaf response I've ever seen.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by deepnet on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:41PM (#10488460)
Good catch.

The vitriol was spelt LIIVECODING now it has been corrected to LIVECODING - wow, just wow.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by nickysielicki on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:29PM (#10488976)
It's like watching sourceforge implode all over again.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by yokohummer7 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @09:08PM (#10489536)
I wonder why they didn't fix the plus sign.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tymekpavel on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:01PM (#10487922)
If she didn't provide her name and employer as part of registration, this isn't just vandalism -- it's stalking and harassment.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by prawn on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:35PM (#10488719)
Liza Shulyayeva banned for spamming. WORKS FOR DICE.com and is just spamming Livecoding.tv

Is that legally irresponsible naming someone in full and directly implying they were responsible for a negative action?

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tymekpavel on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:41PM (#10488745)
Yes, LiveCoding.tv can be sued for libel.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by 467568985476 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:55PM (#10487879)
Wow, that is insane. These guys are a YC backed company?!
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by deadcoding on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:11PM (#10488899)
If it is they need to pull funding immediately.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by omegaham on Sunday November 01, 2015 @11:55PM (#10490066)
As far as I know, Y Combinator invests a lump sum and then contributes mentorship. Their only real recourse is to say, "Sorry, we've decided that you're not worth our time" and to terminate all work with the company.

Which, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they do.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by gkop on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:25AM (#10490183)
> To maintain our community, if a founder behaves unethically during or after YC, we will revoke their YC founder status. This includes access to all Y Combinator spaces, software, lists and events. All founders in a company may be held responsible for the unethical actions of a single co-founder or a company employee, depending on the circumstances.

https://www.ycombinator.com/ethics/

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by yokohummer7 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:48PM (#10487839)
It is also interesting that only the second line has a plus sign at the end. I'll have to infer the meaning of that.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by detaro on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:12PM (#10488904)
I have a mental image of an angry person mashing

CTRL+V, RETURN, RETURN,

CTRL+V, RETURN, RETURN, CTRL+V and then accidentally hitting + together with RETURN....

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by davidw on Monday November 02, 2015 @04:40PM (#10495484)
I can imagine that too. Rational people would of course use ctrl-y.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by nemexy on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:09PM (#10487968)
Can anyone please explain to me why a YC company is making such a terrible name for themselves at a website which is literally FULL with people, who they should aim at building positive image with. I am pretty sure that over 70% of their users have at least a username in this community. I hardly have ever seen a worse way to respond to a marketing crisis.

edit: Now the answer of the co-founder(you can find it below) is way better and it should have been the first reaction to this post. Hopefully there can be a happy result to both sides.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:56PM (#10488240)
Because the founders suck at dealing with users. YC doesn't run your company for you.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tzs on Sunday November 01, 2015 @08:07PM (#10489325)
YC doesn't run your company for you, but a big point of YC is that they provide advice and guidance. As they say in an article [1] linked from the YC FAQ:

   Most people don’t do YC for the financial investment—they
   do it because they want the advice, the help of the
   network, the benefits of the program.
Heck, for a long time YC only invested something like $20k and got something like 7% of your company. From a money point of view, only a complete idiot would have taken that deal. What made it worthwhile was getting access to the YC people for advice.

Now YC gives $120k for 7%, so it is no longer completely idiotic from a purely monetary point of view, but even at $120k most of the value is in the access it gives you to the YC staff and the other people YC puts you in contact with.

Because of this a lot of people have higher expectations for YC companies.

[1] http://blog.ycombinator.com/the-new-deal

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by argonaut on Thursday November 05, 2015 @09:12PM (#10517483)
Are you suggesting YC can run your company for you? YC can exert pressure but that's it. They don't have any legal or corporate control whatsoever.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tptacek on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:25PM (#10488667)
Yes, but I had the same thought; along the lines of "does YC really have to do a dinner where someone comes in and tell the batch's founders not to try to make examples of customers/users that are annoying them, because they will look ridiculous at best and, as in cases like this, actively malignant at worst"? Is that really a lesson YC needs to teach?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by DanBC on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:08PM (#10488882)
It doesn't need to be a dinner, but a nice blog post would possibly help. It's not as if this is the first boneheaded response from a YC funded company, and it's YC's name that gets linked to this sub-optimal behaviour.

That "break the rules" post got around. Maybe there needs to be a "but don't be a massive jerk to ex customers" follow up post.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tedunangst on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:22PM (#10488945)
I thought there was already a "no asshole" rule? But maybe it's one of the rules you're supposed to break.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by krapp on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:37PM (#10488730)
At the very least, I would expect Y Combinator to try to invest in founders who don't need to be told that.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tptacek on Monday November 02, 2015 @11:57AM (#10493020)
People have crazy unrealistic expectations of YC in this regard. They invest in 30-40 teams per batch, based on an application and a very short interview. That's a good thing for founders, and whatever else you might think of them, YC is the probably the most founder-positive force in the entire technology industry.

They're investors, not chaperons.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by nemexy on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:18PM (#10488357)
I really did not wanted to blame YC. My mention of them is mostly because they are the biggest incubator, so people who get in should have at least minimum amount of marketing skills. They literally make fool of themselves in front of their main "customers" and apparantly we are still talking about one of the cofounders. You are trying to run companies worth millions and do such stupid mistakes, it is just beyond understanding for me.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:27PM (#10488390)
I think it's because that doesn't scale to seventy companies without being a hinderance. I'm sure the skills are there, the problem is unless the founders ask UC doesn't know where to deploy them.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by benologist on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:36PM (#10488434)
Founders of Amazon, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, Linux, Oracle, Tesla and probably many more have been famous for childish or angry stuff. It's not very uncommon.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by eli on Sunday November 01, 2015 @09:31PM (#10489623)
Jeff Bezos is allegedly a sometimes difficult person to work for, but Amazon treats its customers extremely well.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by jamiegreen on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:14PM (#10487993)
Hi drakonka, I have only just found out about this, and was until now not aware of what happened. I don't know why my cofounder Michael marked you as spam, and I will ask him to contact you. I can only apologise for the handling of your account deletion, it really is not acceptable that it took so long, so we will make it a priority to improve this.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tptacek on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:30PM (#10488695)
What's wrong with you? Take the page down. There's a whole HN thread sitting here hitting fucking refresh on it over and over again waiting to see how much more drama your insane team can generate over this. Are you running a company, or a very elaborate piece of nerd performance art?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by nissehulth on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:33PM (#10489225)
I may be jumping to conclusions, but this reddit comment by Jamie Green may shed some light over his situation...

https://www.reddit.com/r/timferriss/comments/3g2mjg/tim_ferr...

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by DanBC on Monday November 02, 2015 @07:19AM (#10491451)
Feel sorry for Jamie. See also the latest twitter comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10488919
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday November 04, 2015 @11:23AM (#10507604)
This? https://twitter.com/StartupLJackson/status/63963265474104115...

"Startup L. Jackson ‏@StartupLJackson Sep 4

[Startup L. Jackson Retweeted Ced]

How to make your team completely ineffective.

Treat communication & collaboration w hostility.

Done."

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brazzledazzle on Sunday November 01, 2015 @10:20PM (#10489788)
Normally I'm not a fan of comments like this but this guy is running a company, a YC backed one in fact, and I think the application of a clue stick might be just what's needed.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by drakonka on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:07PM (#10488301)
Looks like you guys just corrected the spelling of your website name on my profile (previously "LIIVECODING.TV"), which is still accusing me of spamming. Is this the kind of improvement you had in mind?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by nissehulth on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:34PM (#10488423)
"like watching a train wreck in slow motion" is an expression I've never felt the need to use. Until now.

This is unacceptable behavior from any business.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by DanielBMarkham on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:34PM (#10488717)
It's painful to watch.
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Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by drakonka on Monday November 02, 2015 @06:25AM (#10491256)
Are you just copying and pasting these replies now without looking at which comments you are replying to? My name is literally on the website this thread links to, and my LinkedIn profile is on the Contact page. Of course it was also up for hours last night on the Livecoding profile you vandalized. I think you're confused.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by phpnode on Monday November 02, 2015 @06:09AM (#10491186)
You just called the woman that you were harassing a coward.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brchsiao on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:18PM (#10488629)
If I may allow myself a guess, possibly the line of thought at livecoding.tv, given the other examples of banned users on your site, and given the lie about the cron job, is that these are merely moronic, worthless customers you're alienating that you wouldn't want on your site anyway. Perhaps you think (thought?) that this is another such instance. This is not the case. You've created a huge leak in your potential enthusiastic user base, which now consists of "programmers willing to stream their content who also happen not to be HN readers."

Mistakes happen. Many startups have survived bad publicity on HN. Your actions have not ensured you a spot in this roster. Even generously overlooking the juvenile behavior of your cofounder and ban messages, the narrative of livecoding.tv stored in the collective brain of HN is now "fails to respond to user and petulantly refuses to apologize for seven hours."

The best thing you can do right now is to identify the responsible individual in your company, apologize specifically, and abjectly, as a company, on behalf of this individual, remove all the ban messages, delete OP's account, explain how a cron job came to enter the story, and both explain and apologize for why this took two hours to resolve after you heard about it.

(Disclaimer: I was about to sign up for livecoding.tv for similar reasons as OP just yesterday. I'm disappointed to know this might've happened to me.)

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by ilogik on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:00PM (#10488849)
I'd also add that this is probably the worst time for them to do sit like this, considering twitch is launching twitch creative
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by Kiro on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:21PM (#10488034)
If this is how you usually "mark spammers" her account issue is the least of your problems. It makes it look like the site is run by a paranoid schizophrenic. Most unprofessional thing I've ever seen from a YC company, even if the allegations would be true.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by minimaxir on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:45PM (#10488170)
You're joking, but a quick Google search of [site:livecoding.tv banned] shows that's exactly what is happening.

https://www.livecoding.tv/2pointoh/

https://www.livecoding.tv/hekton/

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tlrobinson on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:12PM (#10488329)
Wow, this behavior is pathetic. Just delete the accounts and move on.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by gtremper on Monday November 02, 2015 @01:25AM (#10490352)
I can't believe this is real.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by drakonka on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:18PM (#10488008)
Hi Jamie,

Thanks for getting in touch. I would love to just have my account deleted and move on. No need for Michael to contact me.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by Twirrim on Monday November 02, 2015 @02:39AM (#10490552)
In all seriousness, you need to remove your co-founder's ability to do anything on your site. If that's not practical, you should seriously think about making an exit yourself. For one, your business is now effectively dead in its primary market, it's going to be a long hard road back, if it's even remotely possible; for a second thing, you've just had your name and personal and professional reputation completely tarnished by what appear to be Michael's actions, and made worse by the childish retaliation on OPs profile (regardless of who did that).

The loss of your own reputation is going to be harder to come back from. Reputable VCs doing even basic due diligence are going to see this incident and aren't going to want to have anything to do with you, unless you show swift and decisive action, one way or another. So far your response has been neither swift nor decisive.

For what it's worth, asking Michael to contact OP seems like a really bad idea. He's hardly shown good customer services skills so far, do you really think he's going to do a better job suddenly?

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Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by orless on Monday November 02, 2015 @06:42AM (#10491320)
I believe you're not in position to explain us what is "honest" and "good".

You are destroying your product, your work and your name at the moment. This is very sad to watch, I really wish you'd stop.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by hluska on Monday November 02, 2015 @09:38AM (#10491977)
You have completely destroyed your company. And now you seem hell bent on destroying your own reputation. If this wasn't so fucked up, it would be sad.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by hluska on Monday November 02, 2015 @02:13PM (#10494279)
In retrospect, this was unnecessarily cruel. Unfortunately, I can't edit it anymore so the best I can do is apologize.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by rje on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:25PM (#10488052)
Why is the page still up with the spamming accusations on it? If you're a co-founder, please take care of it ASAP instead of wasting drakonka's time 'contacting' them.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by engi_nerd on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:55PM (#10488237)
You can do more than apologise. You can stop calling her a spammer, delete her profile entirely, apologise profusely, and make sure this kind of utter ridiculousness never happens again! I suggest making sure your cofounder never has anything to do with user relations.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by mintplant on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:18PM (#10488351)
Uh, you should be acting a lot more decisively than that, considering that your co-founder is currently torpedoing your company's reputation in front of a large part of your potential userbase.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tzs on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:46PM (#10489263)
As part of cleaning this mess up you need to also institute an inviolable policy that you will never edit a user's profile without the user's permission unless legally required to. If there is something in a profile that you cannot allow to remain on your site then you should delete the profile content. If you want to name and shame spammers it should be done somewhere other than the profile.

This is important because it never occurs to most users that you might edit their profile, and so it never occurs to them that you might edit other users' profiles. Thus, when people see something on someone else's profile they assume the person put it there.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by 0x0 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:56PM (#10489287)
Maybe they should change their name to LiveDoxxing dot tv...
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by deepnet on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:09PM (#10488312)
Founder Comment was over 1 hour ago and the seeming libel and doxxing of Lazer's full name, and employer are still up - an apology in words but not actions - messing with someones employment is egregious.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by 467568985476 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:35PM (#10488424)
As minimaxir pointed out, she's not even an employee of Dice.com, she's works at the similarly named video game studio DICE. A legal minefield for Livecoding.tv for sure...
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by kuschku on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:43PM (#10489031)
And she’s in the EU, and the company is headquartered in London, meaning this is going to have serious legal consequences.

If I had stocks in the company, I’d have sold by now. It’d be a miracle if the company would still be up and running by next week.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by kenko on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:53PM (#10489274)
OMG. If they're headquartered in London I assume she can sue them under British libel law.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by kuschku on Sunday November 01, 2015 @08:14PM (#10489350)
As I mentioned here[1] they at least mention this address on their site. Might not be headquarters, but at least means they are operating under british law.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10487394

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by jsmeaton on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:46PM (#10488769)
Wow, is there any recovering from this? Usually I'm against the internet machine latching onto people that have stuffed up. But you're trying to publicly humiliate a user that just wants to delete her account. I'll be surprised if you last much longer.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tshtf on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:17PM (#10488007)
Do you really think drakonka would want your cofounder to contact her after all this stalking?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by whiteboarder on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:18PM (#10488019)
Any response on the weird comments such as "DICE.COM EMPLOYEE SPAMMING LIVECODING.TV" that were put on the profile?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by DanBC on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:29PM (#10488686)
Two hours later her profile still has the "Dice.com employee" (which is false) and "banned for spamming" (which I think is false.)

Mishandling personal information is a big deal.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tylerlh on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:18PM (#10488018)
You read the article and see the updated profile on your site, right? I think being slow to respond is the least of your worries.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by Mithaldu on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:18PM (#10488014)
Idle curiosity: Are you aware that you have zero believability at the moment now unless you can demonstrate results or at least your commitment usefully?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by detaro on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:16PM (#10488619)
2 hours and only a spellfix (which is even more insulting than nothing). Still no clue about priorities it seems. I guess after Twitch Creative all press is good press... Let's hope for some press.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:08PM (#10488305)
Are you technical? If you are, this should really be a "take care of it then talk to my cofounder about it" type of thing.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by jessedhillon on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:20PM (#10488029)
Do you have any explanation as to why you are running a page with her name, publicizing her employment and calling her a spammer? That requires both a deliberate effort to research her, and then the poor judgment to actually post the text, presumably in an effort to shame her.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by iaw on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:55PM (#10488817)
Could you elaborate on why her page was edited after your comment to correct the typo on your website's name?

It seems a little strange that that was the course of action taken here.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by nissehulth on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:35PM (#10488112)
Amazing, a response including even more stall tactics.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by gaius on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:19PM (#10488633)
On the about page Michael is described as

customer‑focused ... and professional

Might want to re-think that too.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by orless on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:08PM (#10488582)
With this being on HN top (and with the word spreading), this story has potential to kill livecoding.tv.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by Exuma on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:58PM (#10488837)
Hi, how is your company such an absolute colossal failure? Reading the replies of this thread, it keeps getting worse and worse. You should be doing a hell of a lot more than "ask him to contact you". DELETE THE FUCKING ACCOUNT!
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by notabot on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:01PM (#10488854)
Wow, this is unbelievable. More than two hours have passed and the page is still live. Someone even fixed the typo, which is even more insulting.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by facetube on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:01AM (#10490089)
Enjoy getting sued for libel.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by n72 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:37PM (#10489011)
So, since its 3 hours since you said this and the page is still up, the charitable interpretation is that you don't have the technical know-how to take it down yourself and are frantically trying to get in touch with Michael, who does. Or, you've gotten in touch with Michael, and he's just being a stubborn dick and is refusing to take it down. If that's the case, I feel kind of sorry for you. Sucks the fate of your company seems to have hinged on an apparently unhinged individual.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by rasz_pl on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:18PM (#10488628)
"Hey, I just learned my cofounder Michael assaulted you. I will ask him to contact you again!"

this is too good, it could only get better if you could somehow manage to slip "soon" in your reply.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by livecodingwtf on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:21PM (#10488938)
It's been three hours; and their account is still just filled with libel that you put there.

So far everything you and your cofounders have done has made this problem worse and larger.

You are untrustworthy and incompetent.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by moron4hire on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:44PM (#10489260)
I had started using Livecoding.TV about 4 months ago, but had to take a break to move house. I got spammed by them quite a bit to start streaming again. I'm sorry I'm not helping you build a revenue stream, but seriously, get off my case.

What is the narrative you think these emails are fulfilling? Did anyone ever stop using a site because they just forgot? "Oh yeah, I think I remember that site I had been using for a month but stopped two days ago. Must have slipped my mind."

I had even bought a t-shirt from them and it took longer to show up than I remembered I had an account there. Then they decided they fucked up the t-shirt and at least two months later another one showed up at my old address. No warning. Luckily, I still own the place but had gone to show it to a new tenant.

I was willing to chalk my experience up to operational growing pains, but this story here is just inexcusable. Clearly, reasonable people with a love of engineering and a passion for their product aren't running the show there. Now I want my account deleted.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by drakonka on Sunday November 01, 2015 @10:19PM (#10489778)
Ah I remember them pushing t-shirts fairly hard in email at some point a few months ago. I think I got some sort of email or internal Livecoding message about having won a t-shirt or _something_ of the sort. I would have to give them my address to receive the item and considered it but never went through with it I think. From memory they claimed to have made the offer based on some sort of user criteria, like a "You did this so we are giving you a free x!"

A few days later I get another message saying the first message offering the free item was a mistake, and that I wasn't invited to have one after all. Can't say I was too torn up.

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Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by slicedlime on Monday November 02, 2015 @07:12AM (#10491424)
Your 10 replies of claiming people should spell out their full legal names in the thread are not making anything better. In the few cases we don't already know their names, it wouldn't make you seem any bit less incompetent or hostile to know their names.

Also, you're going on the record as saying that the important thing here is not to apologize, not to fix the problem, not even to try to explain but rather to point out to people that they should sign their names in an online discussion with full names.

Grow up, step back, fix it, apologize.

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Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by moron4hire on Monday November 02, 2015 @08:35AM (#10491704)
How do you print the user-customized text on the front, then? You got that part right, you forgot to print your own logo on the back.

And I've done t-shirt orders from screen printers before. It doesn't take a month.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tymekpavel on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:40PM (#10487795)
This is insanity. This startup should be immediately dropped from YC.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by roflchoppa on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:55PM (#10487882)
right? Thats not only dis-tasteful. but also what the fuck are you thinking doing that to a client? Now I'm never going to that website.
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Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by phpnode on Monday November 02, 2015 @05:59AM (#10491145)
No one is trashing YC here, plenty of people criticising you and your behaviour though. Maybe you should reflect on that.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tylerlh on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:16PM (#10488001)
Does YC not provide any kind of guidance or coaching around customer support and PR to founders during the program? Seems like that should be a really important topic, given how situations like this impact not only the reputation of the startup, but also YC itself.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by evolve2k on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:57PM (#10488834)
I would think it is just a good use of YC resources towards protecting capital investment to remind founders not to invite public ridicule when none needs to have occurred.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:47PM (#10488183)
YC isn't going to run your company for you. This isn't a YC problem.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by prawn on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:34PM (#10488711)
If I'm YC and I have invested in a company, I'm going to step in and give a bit of coaching in a situation like this. Especially when the solution is completely obvious and the core action required (deleting the account, sending a quick apology) would be minimal.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:17PM (#10489165)
We're assuming they won't. It's a Sunday afternoon.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by orless on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:18PM (#10488630)
A YC startup annoyed, failed to follow an account deletion request of, lied to, wrongfully accused of spamming, and doxxed a female user.

Well, if it's not a YC problem, it should very well become one.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tylerlh on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:56PM (#10488242)
The entire premise of participating in YC is to learn from other founders about how to build a successful startup. You're saying that YC doesn't have any reason to try and help founders do better at running their companies?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by austenallred on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:59PM (#10488264)
It's up to the founders to reach out and try to figure out how to solve the problem. If they don't do that YC isn't going to perform an audit or hold a bunch of seminars or something.

TBH most of this is basic competence. YC can't ensure that all of the companies are competent in all aspects.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by mintplant on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:21PM (#10488942)
They don't need to perform an audit to find this issue when it's plastered across the front page of their news aggregator.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by prawn on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:34PM (#10488718)
They can't ensure, but they have an interest in assisting.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by pkaye on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:39PM (#10488450)
Will it will become a YC problem with all the bad PR.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by makomk on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:24PM (#10488661)
Remember, pg has defended a YC company's sleazy tactics for bundling unwanted software in installers (including disguising the choice to install them as an ordinary EULA acceptance scheme, which he whitewashed as confirming that they wanted to install the software) and even that didn't do them any real damage.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by livecodingwtf on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:25PM (#10488962)
I expect pg to defend profitable sociopathic behavior; but this destroys value. If he's not providing any coaching, it's probably because he already wrote the entire team down to zero and thus doesn't want to invest 14 seconds in a text message telling them to 'fix this ASAP'
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by Mithaldu on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:54PM (#10488812)
Which company, which software?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by minimaxir on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:58PM (#10488835)
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by MCRed on Monday November 02, 2015 @12:24AM (#10490179)
He also defended AirBnBs founders when they were publicly blaming-the-victim: customer whose house had been trashed by meth heads after renting it out on AirBnB.

Eventually the company seemed to hire a crisis consultant and started acting better.

But in the early days the founders were being extremely douchy and PG wrote an article that I was astounded to receive, defending the douchiness.

That was the point that I started to think YC isn't better than the average level of Silicon Valley.

BTW, many YC companies engage in fake traction tactics sometimes ones that cross the line into dishonesty-- for example AirBnBs "we'll spam people listing their places on craigslist while pretending to be someone else" marketing scheme.

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Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by brchsiao on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:07PM (#10488302)
The unfairness of this makes me rather sad. A handful of YC companies make mistakes out of >800. Why the need for a snide remark toward Jessica?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by tptacek on Sunday November 01, 2015 @05:23PM (#10488658)
This is an almost unbelievably stupid and upsetting thing for them to have done.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by Kiro on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:16PM (#10488000)
I actually didn't think the issue in the OP was that bad but this just escalated it to insane levels.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by stordoff on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:11PM (#10488321)
This is a ridiculous thing for a company to do. It makes them look unprofessional and immature, and probably could form the basis of a libel claim.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by yokohummer7 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:36PM (#10487782)
What on earth is this? Is this something like a joke?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by drakonka on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:41PM (#10487801)
In all seriousness I think their founder is still quite immature and possibly has some temper issues, at least judging by these past interactions and now this immature act. You can see this was written hastily, probably in anger - they didn't even spell the name of their own website right here. They don't really seem to care about maintaining the least bit of professionalism.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by yokohummer7 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @02:54PM (#10487862)
But... but... they are YC-funded. People with such a childish attitude should have been filtered earlier. :(

Anyways, I don't think I would sign in to their site anymore. It is unfortunate that one of the YC companies doesn't feel "cool" anymore.

Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by eropple on Sunday November 01, 2015 @07:36PM (#10489231)
I don't quite understand this idea of YC companies being somehow immune to idiocy. I've been approached by multiple YC companies about early-stage roles and been stunningly unimpressed by each. That it's publicly foolish now is maybe a little funnier, but I don't get the surprise of it.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by Raed667 on Sunday November 01, 2015 @04:58PM (#10488535)
I think that they just gave you some ground for some legal action.
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by s4chin on Sunday November 01, 2015 @03:19PM (#10488023)
This is crazy. Can these people be any more unprofessional?
Re:My Livecoding.tv account deletion saga by wildlogic on Sunday November 01, 2015 @06:14PM (#10488908)
This is straight up trashy.