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Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by laureny on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:09PM (#7412677)
> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer.

Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposition to the healthy growth of the company. Surely they don't want them back?

> The founder’s wife discussed in the media reports has never had hiring or firing power at GitHub and will no longer be permitted in the office.

Why did it take a Techcrunch article to reach this decision? Didn't anyone at Github see anything wrong with that founder's wife doing what she did, according to Julie's statement?

> GitHub has grown incredibly fast over the past two years, bringing a new set of challenges. Nearly a year ago we began a search for an experienced HR Lead and that person came on board in January 2014

Doesn't appear so. They did get an HR person, but an experienced one? Not a chance. No experienced HR person would have let any of that get as far as it got. That HR person should probably be put on leave or be fired as well.

> Chris Wanstrath > > CEO & Co-Founder

This narrows down the choices: the "founder" who is the cause for all this drama is either PJ Hyett or Tom Preston-Werner.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by vacri on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:36PM (#7412834)
Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

This is a terrible assumption to make. This line is basically saying "we're taking this seriously", because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive.

Ironically, it's knee-jerk black and white comments like yours that create this kind of press release. You've already convicted them in your mind and are looking for any excuse to execute them. I mean fuck, you expect an HR person to come on board and within a month "not have let any of that get as far as it got"? Are they supposed to have invented a time-machine?

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by jgilliam on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:57PM (#7412942)
A "full investigation" is the law in California when sexual harassment claims are made. It's not an admission of anything, it's just literally the law.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by hueving on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:29AM (#7413062)
There were no sexual harassment claims.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by enjo on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:45AM (#7413119)
The allegation that a co-worker made a sexual advance and then reverted code and generally created a hostile work environment is most definitely a "sexual harassment" claim.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by sgrove on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:38PM (#7412847)
I'm similarly blown away that this comment is at the top. What a dangerous conclusion to jump to.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by bogs_carut on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:05AM (#7412973)
It's particularly frightening to me because it appears that GitHub is attempting to do the right thing here -- investigate the allegations without the influence of potentially involved parties.

Yet, if such a thing is construed as an admission of guilt in the greater "court of public opinion" then there's an incentive to actively avoid any attempt at transparency.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Zigurd on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:25AM (#7413045)
It can be both true that the situation called for having a co-founder put on leave, and his wife banned from the premises because a first look shows Horvath's claims are likely to be true and that Github's management deserves respect for prompt action, candor, and open communication.

They could have been completely opaque and done nothing but investigate the matter, without any disclosure. It's a brave choice to be open because, even implicitly, admitting a problem can taken as admitting liability.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by balloot on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:55AM (#7413155)
As many others have said in this comment thread, Github's actions do NOT mean any claims are "likely to be true". It just means Github is taking proper steps to investigate the situation. The investigation may lead to them determining that Horvath, and not other employees, was in the wrong.

At the very least, she seems a bit...attention hungry. Knowing nothing about the situation or people involved I am taking her accusations with a huge grain of salt.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by laureny on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:46PM (#7412887)
Fair enough about the HR person (who probably acted in fear for their job), but how often does the co-founder of a very successful start up get put on leave within 24 hours of an article published on Techcrunch?
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by vacri on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:11AM (#7412999)
Have you considered the possibility that both parties are in the wrong? That Horvath does have something of a point, but she's massively overblown her experiences and read the wrong meaning into things?

Life is stickier than tabloids lead you to believe, and in such a case as I've suggested, it's not hard to see the founders talking about how 'bob' should take a brief sabbatical while the Internet Hate Machine looks for another target. The other founders might love 'bob' and want to spare him from internet fury. Or they might loathe him and were looking for a way to put him in his place. Or they might be taking a pragmatic PR-smart move. Or 'bob' might have said "I was looking to take leave and go to Europe for a holiday, this would be a good time, eh?". Or a dozen other situations. We just don't know.

And that's just fire-fighting - if you want Github to do a meaningful investigation, then you need to have the investigators being as dispassionate as possible, rather than doing it while fending off the hordes at the gate. And since a founder is involved, the investigators pretty much have to be the other founders. And that meaningful investigation includes talking to staff outside of the bubble of hysteria that's currently going on. And that meaningful investigation may indeed largely exonerate Github.

The thing is that you don't have enough information to pre-convict the way you have.

And, frankly, on a personal note: fuck this automatic calling for the sacking of someone when thing go awry. It's truly fucked up. Re-evaluate? No. Retrain? No. Reassign? No. "Someone has to suffer" for the mob's one-eyed rage. Fuck that shit. Sometimes a sacking is the appropriate course of action, but that's not for the mob to decide, because the mob doesn't have anything like close access to the story.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by leccine on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:27AM (#7413057)
Spot on sir!
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by vulf on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:54PM (#7412932)
How? Easily. If you're investigating the matter you want to distance all parties involved from the situation, so that they cannot influence the outcome. If Julie was still employed there, she would have certainly been put on leave as well.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by jasonmccay on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:18AM (#7413026)
Again ... you are jumping to conclusions. The statement did not specify when the person was put on leave.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by orblivion on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:03AM (#7412963)
I think the fact that he went as far as to give a personal shout out to her at the end says that they're doing more than the bare minimum to keep from getting skinned alive, I think they must at least be taking it genuinely seriously.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by copergi on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:47PM (#7412891)
>because if they said anything less, then regardless of the truth of the matter, they'd be skinned alive.

I am amazed at how many people don't recognize this. Even if the entire thing were completely made up, this would still be the only acceptable response github could give.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by sitharus on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:12PM (#7412690)
> > We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer.

> Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

> This is great news, but putting on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposition to the healthy growth of the company. Surely they don't want them back?

It's pretty standard practice to place employees on paid leave while serious complaints are investigated. You don't want to fire them until you have a pretty solid case as they might sue, but likewise you don't want them in the office.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Alex3917 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:31PM (#7412796)
There is a trick business schools like to play on students, where you are given a test with 10 - 15 scenarios where an employee has allegedly done something wrong and you need to write the proper response from the company.

The correct answer to every single scenario is "suspend pending investigation."

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by BCM43 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:34PM (#7412814)
>It's pretty standard practice to place employees on paid leave while serious complaints are investigated.

Employees? Sure. Founders? I've not heard of that before.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Bluestrike2 on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:00AM (#7412951)
From a legal standpoint, an employee's status as a founder or owner/shareholder is largely irrelevant. There's no basis for special treatment--in fact, depending on how it's handled, such special treatment would, at a minimum, place the company in a potentially perilous legal situation with future cases.

One of the major ideas behind suspending employees for investigations is to eliminate their ability to influence the investigation. Also, it's a immediate precautionary measure to prevent the behavior from continuing should the complaint be found to be valid. In that sense, it protects the employer by keeping them at a distance in the short-term. They can also point to it in the press and in future legal proceedings (if any) as part of a strategy of showing that they took the complaint seriously from the beginning.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by jamesaguilar on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:37PM (#7412836)
I also have never heard of a founder being put on leave. I wouldn't go quite so far as to say it is an admission that the allegations are true. But it is certainly an admission that they have merit and are not so far from reality as to be easily dismissed. I am pleased that Github is taking this seriously, and very sorry for Julie's experiences. This should never happen to anyone in our industry.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by reeses on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:54AM (#7413153)
If you see a CEO/Founder/Chairman focusing on a new, spin-off, company, this is generally the American way of handling a volatile situation when the offender is perceived as irreplaceable.

Gary Friedman is an excellent example (I'm lazy, so HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/17/gary-friedman-resto...) of a pro forma separation of a major shareholder/chairman/CEO from the company.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by nightski on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:52PM (#7412924)
Maybe the founder chose to go on leave to allow for the investigation? Or at least was involved?
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by jamesaguilar on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:58PM (#7412946)
Oh, I don't doubt. Probably he saw the wisdom in stepping back while this is investigated, as any rational person would, guilty or not. Nonetheless, I cannot recall a situation where a founder of a company large enough to make the news has put themselves into a position where it would be necessary.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by __david__ on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:27PM (#7412777)
> > We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer.

> Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

Hardly. It just says they are paying attention to the accusations and taking things seriously. I think they responded in a very positive way, and more transparently than I would have expected. But "we're looking into it" in no way validates or admits any fault on their behalf at this point.

> This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice.

So they should just fire them based on one person's complaints? If everything Julie accused them of is true, I think they should be fired, but that doesn't mean they should go off half-cocked, firing everyone involved until they can investigate and determine exactly what happened.

And that doesn't happen over night.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Recoil42 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:29PM (#7412785)
>Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

No, it isn't. It's standard operating procedure pretty much everywhere to put employees on leave while an investigation is conducted. It shouldn't be construed as an admission at all.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by greenyoda on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:38PM (#7412843)
"I would like to personally apologize to Julie" certainly sounds like an admission that the company wronged her.

And don't lawyers frequently tell their clients not to apologize (even if they feel they ought to), since that may be construed as an admission of wrongdoing in a subsequent legal proceeding?

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by bradleyjg on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:44AM (#7413114)
That's the standard advice, but things are changing after recent empirical work found that doctors who apologized for mistakes ended up paying out less in malpractice claims than those who didn't.

The cheapest way to win a lawsuit is for it never to be filed in the first place.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by ephemeralgomi on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:56PM (#7412940)
If anything, "I would like to personally apologize to Julie" would mean that defunkt personally wronged her, not the company.

Maybe he's just sorry because she's obviously hurt and things didn't work out for the best?

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by greenyoda on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:42AM (#7413108)
If a CEO writes on his company's web site, it's usually understood to mean that he is speaking on behalf of the company.

In any case, the company did wrong her by allowing an environment to exist in which these kinds of behaviors were tolerated. The actions that the CEO took today should have been taken a long time ago.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by JeremyMorgan on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:36PM (#7412828)
No but the apology says a lot...
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Throwadev on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:44PM (#7412881)
Maybe, but it could also be calculated: "If we don't apologize, the mob will cry for our blood even more, and we obviously can't do a non-apology apology, because they'd hate us for that too. Just be humble and supplicate to them so we can keep our IPO--I mean reputation intact."
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by sdesol on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:02AM (#7412959)
The apology could be interpreted in a lot of ways. It could be we fucked up and we are sorry. Or it could be, Julie really blew things out of proportion/overreacted/misinterpreted things and we wish we were better able to react to her hysteria, and we apologize for not being able to.

GitHub is a business and they aren't dumb enough to not consult one or more lawyers before releasing their statement. If they are in the wrong, I would have to imagine their best play would be to compensate Julie behind the scene and have her formally come out and say GitHub is doing everything they can to ensure this doesn't happen again.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by phillmv on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:21PM (#7412744)
>Surely they don't want them back?

People make mistakes; they seem to get a lot of other things right, so maybe the relationship is salvageable - and all he needs is some time off.

>Doesn't appear so. They did get an HR person, but an experienced one? Not a chance. No experienced HR person would have let any of that get as far as it got. That HR person should probably be put on leave or be fired as well.

Jeez. They hired HR in January; the company has 240 employees many of whom remote. Based on her story, Julie Horvath's relationship was already poisoned by the time they hired this HR person.

The screwups were bad but I doubt GH culture is unfixable.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Bahamut on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:35PM (#7412823)
People make mistakes, but as far as it appears, this was a colossal failure of leadership.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by revetkn on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:17PM (#7412714)
> Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

I have no idea whose side of the story is accurate, but there was really no other way for Github to play this, whether they were in the wrong or Julie was in the wrong.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by rodgerd on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:20PM (#7412740)
> This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposition to the healthy growth of the company. Surely they don't want them back?

The individuals, while allegedly shitlords in terms of their behaviour, being gone may eliminate 2 problems, but honestly they're products of an overall culture. In a healthy company you wouldn't have a guy (allegedly) reverting commits or shittalking individuals in comments because they wouldn't fuck him for very long after the first few efforts, because their peers or line manager would have said, "dude, not cool".

[Edited for clarity]

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by x0x0 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:26PM (#7412772)
And their line manager would have followed up with "if I even hear a rumor of this happening again, you'll be fired for cause". Because such harassment is, per my understanding, illegal, and can create enormous problems for the individual, manager, and company. Not to mention incredibly unethical.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by tomjakubowski on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:14AM (#7413010)
> This narrows down the choices: the "founder" who is the cause for all this drama is either PJ Hyett or Tom Preston-Werner.

https://twitter.com/tpdubs2/status/415224900782014464

> TheresaPrestonWerner @tpdubs2

> Found the best, most comfortable chair at GitHub HQ. Office seems pretty empty today.

Among several other tweets here:

https://twitter.com/search?q=github%20from%3Atpdubs2&src=typ...

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Dobbs on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:46AM (#7413121)
That doesn't mean anything at all.

The company I work for often has spouses and significant others (including the CEO's) around either for drinks in the evening, or just for fun.

They don't have any power or influence in the company beyond the typical role of adviser that all spouses serve.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by balls187 on Monday March 17, 2014 @01:01AM (#7413168)
I'd expect the founders to refrain from going to social media to speak about this until the internal investigation is done.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by danbmil99 on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:52AM (#7413144)
> Found the best, most comfortable chair at GitHub HQ. Office seems pretty empty today.

Hey, this chair seems to be facing that bitch Julie. Imagine that. Now I can give her the evil eye for 8 hours straight!

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by danbmil99 on Monday March 17, 2014 @04:22PM (#7417833)
jeez, HN is so damn humorless.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by ephemeralgomi on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:38PM (#7412848)
> Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

It reads more like an admission that at least some of what Julie said is not immediately known to be untrue and that they have to check it out. Hence the, y'know, investigation.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by mikehearn on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:34PM (#7412815)
> Doesn't appear so. They did get an HR person, but an experienced one? Not a chance. No experienced HR person would have let any of that get as far as it got. That HR person should probably be put on leave or be fired as well.

The HR person has been on the job for a minimum of 31 business days and a maximum of 53. Horvath joined two years ago. Unless you are a GitHub insider, you currently are working off knowledge from a single source in which the information was provided by a person with a specific agenda. It is malicious to call for the HR person's job given your almost complete dearth of information.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by macspoofing on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:37PM (#7412838)
It looks like HR was involved in this case and the issue with the wife seemed have been raised. That should have been an immediate red flag to this "experienced" individual before they even got down to business of addressing any other concerns. It was a major screw-up.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by mikehearn on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:49PM (#7412911)
Precisely, it "looks like" HR was involved. Can you say with certainty this person, hired in Jan. 2014, was involved? And can you say with certainty that this person could have prevented this? Again, unless you're a GitHub insider (are you?), the answer is no. At the moment, no one on HN knows anything. It's entirely possible this was an HR issue, but specifically calling for the HR person to be suspended or fired, given our collective total ignorance, is a spiteful and bizarre declaration directed at someone the original poster does not know. These are real people, and HN comments – particularly top comments – can influence decisions.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by cpeterso on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:36PM (#7412829)
> This narrows down the choices: the "founder" who is the cause for all this drama is either PJ Hyett or Tom Preston-Werner.

Julie Horvath follows both Chris Wanstrath and PJ Hyett on Twitter, but not Tom Preston-Werner (at least as shown by Twitter's "Followed by people you follow" banner). Of course, this could just be a coincidence.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by chx on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:12AM (#7413004)
I can't find anything on PJ Hyett's family but Tom Preston-Werner is married.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by snikch on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:46AM (#7413122)
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by product50 on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:01AM (#7412953)
>> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer. > Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

Wow - if anyone wants to see an example of an article being overanalyzed and then terrible conclusions being made out of it, this is a model comment for that.

Each of your supposed inferences is critical and harsh. Stop being so cynical - it will help you. The world is still a nice place..

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by flylib on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:11PM (#7412689)
> Doesn't appear so. They did get an HR person, but an experienced one? Not a chance. No experienced HR person would have let any of that get as far as it got. That HR person should probably be put on leave or be fired as well.

> that person came on board in January 2014

most of the things that had happened predated the HR person coming on, but you do have a point, the wife thing should of stopped since January

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by nfoz on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:17PM (#7412718)
> should of stopped

should have stopped

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by collypops on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:30PM (#7412789)
Thank god you're here. This topic is saddening enough without people making grammar errors too.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by jw2013 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:22PM (#7412752)
>>> This narrows down the choices: the "founder" who is the cause for all this drama is either PJ Hyett or Tom Preston-Werner.

Any guess?

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by courtf on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:37PM (#7412840)
I would venture to guess Tom. I certainly don't know for sure, but he has a wife (don't know about PJ's marital status) who is herself a founder/CEO and wouldn't raise eyebrows spending time working at the Github offices.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by jw2013 on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:05AM (#7412975)
Is that a coincidence: https://twitter.com/tpdubs2/status/444509011522891776

Just last Friday his wife's startup is accepted to Techstars NYC, and she is going to be at NYC. It may be a good timing for Tom to take a leave to be with his wife.

Just guessing here. I could totally be wrong. No offense to Tom; I looked up to him.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by pistle on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:34PM (#7412816)
Tom is married. Is PJ?
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by vulf on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:48PM (#7412904)
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by bluthru on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:56AM (#7413160)
Heh. Favorited by Tom's wife.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by PhasmaFelis on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:33PM (#7412808)
> This is great news, but putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposition to the healthy growth of the company. Surely they don't want them back?

I'm strongly inclined to believe that what Horvath said is true and that these two people should be laid off, but that shouldn't happen before an investigation. If they're not guilty, they should be exonerated; if they are, they should be dismissed with the full weight of evidence, so they can't paint themselves as innocent martyrs.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by flylib on Monday March 17, 2014 @01:38AM (#7413302)
> This narrows down the choices: the "founder" who is the cause for all this drama is either PJ Hyett or Tom Preston-Werner.

why is TechCrunch claiming Scott Chacon is a co-founder? He is married also but his wife is friends with Julie on Facebook so I doubt him

I doubt it was PJ's wife - https://twitter.com/kldub

which narrows it down to Theresa Preston-Werner and just for kicks

https://twitter.com/tpdubs2/status/415224900782014464

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by x0x0 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:31PM (#7412794)
I have to say, I'm really disappointed. Unless the allegations are somehow made up -- which seems incredibly unlikely -- this is an enormous lapse from a company I use and admire. Not only did the founders, at least in public appearances, all seem like decent people, but they had one hell of a success story. I also liked their seeming tolerance for remote work and support for people like Julie who tried to make our industry more welcome to women by doing instead of just talking.

All in all, I'm really saddened.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by phazmatis on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:38PM (#7412846)
> ... putting these people on leave seems to be too nice. It's clear that these two people obey ethics that are in direct oppposition to the healthy growth of the company. Surely they don't want them back?

Man, talk about CSI justice. Sadly, I think this episode is a two-parter. You'll have to tune in next time, sorry!

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by general_failure on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:31PM (#7412797)
Innocent until proven guilty
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by ketralnis on Monday March 17, 2014 @01:17AM (#7413221)
> Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

Bullshit. It just means that they're looking into it.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by wyager on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:18PM (#7412722)
>> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation...

>Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

Lynch! Lynch! Lynch!

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by yuhong on Monday March 17, 2014 @01:41AM (#7413323)
PJ Hyett seems to be the COO at GitHub.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by cyanbane on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:28AM (#7413059)
>> We know we have to take action and have begun a full investigation. While that’s ongoing, and effective immediately, the relevant founder has been put on leave, as has the referenced GitHub engineer.

>Pretty much a full admission that everything that Julie said is true.

Then I dub you Sir Bedemir, Knight of the Round Table.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by tw268 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:13PM (#7412695)
GitHub is known to have a dubstep and IPA culture. If they want to be a standard bearer for feminism in tech, the transition is going to be difficult and they are going to take some hits. The two cultures don't mix well.

It sounds like GitHub is going to have to become more stale and corporate to survive as a larger company, which is inevitable, but hastened by their own choices.

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by h0h0h0 on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:15PM (#7412706)
They will have to move to a MDMA/THC based culture fused with early 90's pop + Mid 2000's minimal techno. This is a small step for a dubstep IPA culture. It's like moving from the Midwest to NYC.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by kevincrane on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:22PM (#7412749)
> GitHub is known to have a dubstep and IPA culture.

What point are you trying to make here? Are you a classical music and hefeweizen type of employee typically? Or maybe based out of Seattle, in which case you'd prefer a more grunge/PBR culture?

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by philwelch on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:50PM (#7412917)
Here in Seattle we like IPA so much, we invented a dark faux-IPA style called CDA (Cascadian Dark Ale). And no one listens to grunge anymore.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by matthewgifford on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:18AM (#7413027)
CDA was probably invented in Vancouver, FWIW. http://www.newschoolbeer.com/2012/11/who-owns-cascadian-dark...
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by gdilla on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:52PM (#7412927)
he's trying to say bro-grammer with the bro-gram.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by wyclif on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:47AM (#7413130)
Look on the bright side, at least it's not brostep culture.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by voltagex_ on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:15PM (#7412707)
Oh come on, what do a music genre and beer type have to do with anything?
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by Crito on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:22PM (#7412753)
Women can't like dubstep or IPAs?

Come on now...

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by bogs_carut on Sunday March 16, 2014 @11:26PM (#7412771)
No, they're only allowed to like top-40s and cosmos.

/s

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by zem on Monday March 17, 2014 @05:44PM (#7418321)
to be fair, sagan was pretty damn awesome
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by bogs_carut on Friday March 21, 2014 @12:19PM (#7443140)
You. I like you.
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by theorique on Monday March 17, 2014 @06:49AM (#7414250)
Damn that evil sexist dubstep and IPA ...

Now we know what the real problems are in this industry: taste in music and beer!

Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by adamnemecek on Monday March 17, 2014 @12:07AM (#7412988)
Gasp, not Dubstep!!1!
Re:Update on Julie Horvath's Departure by smtddr on Monday March 17, 2014 @01:51AM (#7413362)