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Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sharkweek on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:03PM (#6727523)
Speaking candidly here -- perhaps this is one of many (MANY) reasons why I will never be a billionaire entrepreneur, but I can wholeheartedly say that if Facebook came to my startup, no matter how popular, and said "here's 3bn, please give us your users" -- I would without question sign on the dotted line as fast as possible (and probably for A LOT less earlier in the game). And to be honest, I probably wouldn't care how badly they may maul my creation, I'm either:

a) sitting on a beach in Costa Rica

b) giving a completely different project a shot with my new found riches

Maybe I just completely lack vision, but what happens in two years when Snapchat likely isn't cool anymore and all the kids are onto the next thing. Where will the money be?

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gkoberger on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:39PM (#6727850)
Only slightly related, but I'm sitting on a beach in Costa Rica right now. The Internet is fast, it's beautiful (although it just rained), and is cheaper than SF (where I'm from). You don't need a billion dollar company for A.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by embwbam on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:03AM (#6730643)
We just gave up living on the beach in the nicoya peninsula (samara) after 4 months. Bad internet access was a major part of that. The only options there were 3G and DSL. Max speeds were 3Mbs and the connection was unreliable. They are rolling out fiber in 2014 though so it should get better.

Cost of living was only slightly cheaper than Utah, where we are from. I'm sure it is less than California, but not nearly as cheap as we thought. We did hire a nanny and cook for a very good rate. Cars and US goods were very expensive.

Amazing and beautiful place though. I'll go again, just not to live.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by mcdowall on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:27AM (#6730921)
I spent a month in CR last year, for such a small country it puts the UK to shame, I rarely found myself out of 3G coverage, even up in the cloud forest!.

Compare that to my usual South Coast train commute to London where I'm lucky if I get about 25% coverage for a 2 hour journey, and we're supposed to be a G8 nation!

On a side note, I've been working on my startup whilst travelling the states, Hawaiian Islands and backpacking through the Fijian Yasawa Islands and just got back to the UK. I'd highly recommend travelling to anyone looking to get something off the ground, I've always found it a cheaper alternative to paying rent in a fixed locality, there's nothing that beats just speaking to people from different backgrounds about your idea and getting their input.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sharkweek on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @08:30PM (#6729940)
I spent a while there out of college getting my priorities in order and loved it. I was pretty broke at the time but it was super easy to find beachfront hostels that were 5-6 bucks a night. Couldn't have asked for a better experience
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sbuccini on Thursday November 14, 2013 @06:05AM (#6731690)
I'm thinking of doing something similar. College and I are just not getting along right now. May I ask what your reasons for taking a break were?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sharkweek on Thursday November 14, 2013 @11:44AM (#6733314)
I worked full time through college with minimal breaks so when I graduated, I needed a major break. Quit the job I had been at through college and spent four months in Central America. It was the perfect reset before jumping into a career right out of college.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by wil421 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:57PM (#6728008)
My girlfriends brother lives in Costa Rica and from visiting him and listening to their conversations I can say the internet infrastructure is not that good. There are normal days and very bad days that may last for a day-week-month.

Costa Rica's internet is better than Nicaragua though!

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by cylinder on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:53PM (#6727979)
I've heard the opposite - internet connectivity is quite suspect in Costa Rica. Where exactly are you and what kind of connectivity package/price do you have?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gkoberger on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:01PM (#6728032)
Right now, I'm in a restaurant on the beach. Internet is pretty good here (and everywhere else I've been -- way better than the average coffee shop / hotel / etc internet in the US). I use StrongVPN and haven't had any problems yet. I Skype and watch Netflix all the time with no issues at all.

Here's a speed test (while off my VPN and at a restaurant rather than my house): http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3099024113

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by adventured on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:36PM (#6728279)
Doesn't sound like a very accurate description of Costa Rica's Internet:

http://www.ticotimes.net/Business/Internet-slow-but-speeding...

Costa Rica has among the slowest Internet speeds and least broadband access in South America.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by benologist on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @05:24PM (#6729093)
It's slow as in you're not going to find a 20 megabit connection all to yourself. Normal speed is probably closer to 1 megabit, but you can easily get a bit better than that these days (I'm on 5).
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by alex_doom on Thursday November 14, 2013 @04:42AM (#6731496)
Do you have Time Warner? I'm pretty sure South America is getting a faster connection than I have.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by DanBC on Thursday November 14, 2013 @07:34AM (#6731913)
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by X4 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:31PM (#6730357)
That's 16mbit/1mbit ADSL:
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by dshep on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:58PM (#6730618)
When I lived there I relied mainly on 3G. You can get a prepaid SIM for ~$6, and you pay around $0.50 per day for unlimited data. It is fairly slow at 1 Mbps up/down, but its enough to make Skype calls and the like.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sliverstorm on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:38AM (#6731123)
Sheesh, if any ol' schmuck can afford Costa Rica it can't be all that good, I clearly need a different goal. Primary criteria: more expensive
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by hnriot on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:11AM (#6730874)
"You don't need a billion dollar company for A." - depends on the yacht you used to get there...
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by cmbaus on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:20PM (#6728634)
We've done quite a bit of development work in Costa Rica in the past couple years. I think it is an up and coming region.

We have occasional hiccups in San Jose, but mostly it works pretty smoothly. I've worked in Playa Hermosa and had no problems.

BTW, if anyone is considering developers in Costa Rica, send me an email.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by brianbreslin on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:27AM (#6730739)
I'm in Panama right now visiting family. How does the talent/tech scene compare in Costa Rica to Panama or the rest of central america?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by rrich on Thursday November 14, 2013 @06:47AM (#6731789)
I don't know about Costa Rica, but I found Panama to have somewhat of a scene, for instance Acelerador de Empresas de Panamá via http://ciudaddelsaber.org As I have relatives there as well, I have always had an interest in doing a startup in Panama. Been a few years since I have been there, I have to get back.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by simonebrunozzi on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:50PM (#6730590)
I would be curious to know if you're working from there in a stable manner, and what the experience is like.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gkoberger on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:58PM (#6730617)
I'm loving it so far. It's not "stable" in the traditional sense, but no distractions and I can get a ton done. Internet is easy to find, places are pretty nice and affordable, and it's quiet. I came down here to finish a startup I've been talking about for ages but never finished due to the distractions in SF.

AirBnb has some great finds, especially if you go with a few friends. Nice places, good internet and not too expensive.

(Oh, and hi Simone! You submitted my startup notes site to HN a few weeks ago)

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by mcdowall on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:31AM (#6730933)
I can resonate with this so much, I travelled CR last year for a month and loved it.

I've just got back from 3 mths travelling the States, Hawaii, Fiji and Aus to do exactly the same, London had too many distractions and whilst the salary was great I knew if I didn't take the plunge to dedicate some time to the startup I too had been talking about for ages then it would never get off the ground. Oh, and seeing beautiful places along the way does wonders for motivation!.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by dschiptsov on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:19PM (#6730479)
I am in Cambodia, which is even better.)
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by dodyg on Thursday November 14, 2013 @06:43AM (#6731778)
I am in Cairo, which is great, regardless of the pollution, traffic, violent protests and revolutions.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by espitia on Thursday November 14, 2013 @07:55AM (#6731998)
I was there just a few months ago. It was a very humbling place. Currently somewhere in China.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by X4 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:29PM (#6730352)
Totally 0wned!

wow, what are you doing? How comes you could afford it? Are you a developer? You're living the dream!

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by phillmv on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:09PM (#6727564)
Whelp, diminishing marginal utility of the dollar, I suppose.

With a billion dollar valuation, the founders will have found ways to make themselves rich - http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57591017-93/snapchat-founde... - and if you already cashed out fuck-you money, then you might as well keep going and see where it lands.

If I was broke and offered $3b, sure. But if I had $10-20mil sitting in the bank… anything I do after that point is 100% risk-free.

Mind you, I'm really racking my brain on how this isn't all totally insane.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by espadagroup on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:18PM (#6727646)
Definitely disagree, there IS a difference between $10 - $20 Mil and $1 - $1.2 Bil
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by lelandbatey on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:28PM (#6727753)
Probably, but I doubt you as a founder would get $1-1.2 Bil from a deal that was only $3b.

On a much larger note, I don't feel like there's a big difference beyond $20 Mil if your goal is to continue living the life you're living now, but with total financial security. I know that given the chance, that's all I'd really ask for. Anything beyond that, and the only thing I can think of to spend the money on is philanthropy.

However, I'll bet other people have different aspirations, so I guess I can't really speak on the subject.

... why am I writing this comment ...

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by peterjancelis on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:32AM (#6731104)
I think the cutoff point is more like 100 million. With 20 million you're still having second thoughts about your NetJets use or the size of your yacht.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by umsm on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:46PM (#6727917)
The point was: There is a difference between being broke ($0) and having $20 million in the bank.

That's a huge difference.

At $20 million, there is nothing you can't do. At that point, with some wise long term investments, you wouldn't need to worry about finances.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sk5t on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:04PM (#6728064)
With $20MM in the bank, there is plenty you cannot buy and subsequently maintain for very long: a shiny new Bombardier jet, a motor yacht, more than one vintage racing Ferrari... even blowing $5MM on a substantial estate would be highly ill-advised. But at this point, one becomes acquainted with people who can afford to keep such things, so it might start to seem less like "wealth" and more like "security" depending on one's desires and insecurities.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by nilkn on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:17PM (#6728162)
Consumption of ultra-luxury items is one way to look at the difference, but another is your progeny. $20M, if spent frugally and invested well, could certainly ensure the well-being of your immediate children and probably grandchildren as well (not if you blow it on vintage sports cars and jets, though). But a billion or two could keep your family out of work for many, many generations
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by qq66 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:51PM (#6728389)
Why is keeping your family out of work for many generations a good thing?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gammarator on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:00PM (#6730432)
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by brianpgordon on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @05:24PM (#6729091)
I wish my grandparents had left me a few million dollars.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by praxulus on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:33AM (#6731106)
Keeping your family out of work is not the same as giving them the option of not working.
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Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by finnh on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:11PM (#6728561)
If you put it in a mattress, sure.

But most (all?) people invest their money at a far higher rate of return than inflation.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gaius on Thursday November 14, 2013 @03:03AM (#6731202)
Not for a decade or more has this been true. Inflation in the UK is 2.2%. You would be lucky to get that without venturing into equities (which to be fair have done well this year) or property. But energy is up 8%, travel 9%, food 12%, etc. Real inflation is hard to outrun. And markets are prone to bubbles...
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sk5t on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:58PM (#6730621)
My intent was to put $20MM or so in perspective: yes, prudent investment could put such an amount to good, long-term use, but it is not so much money that it would be challenging to spend it all within a decade or so. $1Bn is something else entirely, and would require a very concerted effort to squander quickly.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by adventured on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:43PM (#6728330)
You could pay for your $5 million estate in cash with the dividends from a 'boring' investment in AT&T's stock (5.1% dividend) after six years, while never touching the principle.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by Anderkent on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:49AM (#6730806)
20$ million is barely anything if you want to actually make a difference, as opposed to just surviving without having to work.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by garybizzle on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:24PM (#6727722)
massive difference. decent retirement money versus 'do whatever you want for the rest of your life' money
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:01AM (#6730629)
uh, pretty sure 10-20 million is in fact "do whatever you want for the rest of your life" money. Certainly do anything normal that you want. perhaps you can't buy a jet. damn.

10million * 3% dividend stocks = 300k per year just having it sit there. Maybe not entirely risk free, but not too risky either.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by BillyMaize on Thursday November 14, 2013 @07:26AM (#6731889)
Exactly. I could never bring myself to use billions on super luxury stuff anyway and would wind up donating most of that money to a good cause (I wonder if the Gates foundation accepts donations?).
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gaadd33 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:10AM (#6730669)
Lets say you want to get into automotive racing. Assuming you want to race in professional series such as ALMS or similar you could easily burn 5M a year.

20M is plenty to live a very well off life, but its not "do anything you want for the rest of your life" money. Look at how many professional athletes/musicians manage to blow many multiples of that amount.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:42AM (#6730782)
I included the caveat of "normal". Obviously that amount of money is "spendable." 300k a year though will service a very nice lifestyle though. You can live an upper class lifestyle most places in the world without doing anything.

Also, perhaps I'm naive, but I expect tech startup founders to be better with their money than professional athletes. Yes, you could be an idiot, but that doesn't mean 10 mil isn't FU money. It is if you have even a little bit of a brain. You can spend nearly any amount of money, but that's not really the point. You can put your 3 billion all on red and dammit if it didn't come up black. Doesn't make it not FU money. (No casino in the world will take that bet, but you know what I mean).

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by kayoone on Thursday November 14, 2013 @03:16AM (#6731247)
Well you might want to start another business and in that case, the more money you have in the back, the better.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by the_watcher on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:15PM (#6727615)
>> Mind you, I'm really racking my brain on how this isn't all totally insane.

That's the best I have come up with too.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by downandout on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:46PM (#6728814)
Is $10 million, before taxes and expenses, really fuck-you money these days? Having maybe $ $6 or $7 million in the bank certainly wouldn't inspire me to turn down $3 billion for a flash-in-the-pan type of business.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by flavor8 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @08:05PM (#6729847)
If you can sustain 5% interest, that's $500k a year taxed at 15%. That might not be fuck-you but it's certainly good enough for pretty much anything you might want to reasonably do with the rest of your life. (Barring ultra luxury of course.)
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gamblor956 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @08:24PM (#6729922)
Interest is taxed at marginal rates, not capital gains rates. (You may be thinking of dividends.) Moreover, at $500k/year, you would be subject to the new higher capital gains rate of 20%...
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:03AM (#6730640)
I think we are getting a bit pedantic here. You can get by just fine on 500k a year, even if taxed at top rates.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by nerfhammer on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:12AM (#6730675)
Invest in municipal bonds. Interest is not subject to federal income tax.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:28PM (#6730347)
There are plenty of high quality bond funds I can invest in with 5% return where the returns are taxed as dividends and not interest.

When we talk about "interest" here, I think its defined as passive low-risk investment income that is able to be taxed at a lower capital gains rate.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by hnalien on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:17PM (#6727633)
Exactly. If you have anything more than $10m in the bank and are still not 30, you'll be too naive NOT to take more risks (considering you don't plan to touch the $10m in the bank).
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by ams6110 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:04PM (#6730262)
$10–$20 million is nothing to sneeze at, and certainly enough to fund a more-than-comfortable lifestyle if that's what you want to do. But if you have money in the billions, that will literally open the door to anybody in the world that you want to talk to, and you will be taken seriously.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by OnyeaboAduba on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:01PM (#6728036)
One article I read that always stuck with me was Peter thiel recalling the day Mark Zuckerberg turned down yahoos 1 billion dollar acquistion offer .

Thiel said he remembered saying, "We should probably talk about this. A billion dollars is a lot of money." They hashed out the conversation. Thiel said he and Breyer pointed out: "You own 25 percent. There's so much you could do with the money."

Thiel recalled Zuckerberg said, in a nutshell: "I don't know what I could do with the money. I'd just start another social networking site. I kind of like the one I already have."

This is probably how the SnapChat guys feel there is no different project down the road this is it and if you feel that way you never sell

http://www.inc.com/allison-fass/peter-thiel-mark-zuckerberg-...

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by stef25 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @07:08AM (#6731840)
I fail to understand how owning (a large chunk of) 3 Billion is less desirable than owning what another poster calls a teen messaging app. How passionate can an intelligent adult be about something like that (without thinking of the moolah)?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by 001sky on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:31PM (#6730526)
He (also) turned down google as well for someting like $8B, then got MSFT to invest in @$15B before taking it to $100B and an IPO. So this is a very good point.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by ams6110 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:39PM (#6730553)
Facebook is an outlier among outliers though. You shouldn't really use it as justification for anything.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by 001sky on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:50PM (#6730593)
Yes, this is the point exactly.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:07AM (#6730654)
yeah, but for every Facebook there are 1000's of other companies who should have taken the money. Like myspace perhaps. snapchat also doesn't have the depth that facebook has. I could see snapchat being omgpop just as easily as the next facebook or twitter. 3 billion? take the money man.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by pmarca on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:21AM (#6730709)
MySpace did take the money. We'll never know what they could have developed into had they not become part of News Corp.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by jonnathanson on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:12PM (#6728128)
Option B worked really well for Mark Cuban, for example. He sold a company with a <$50M run rate for close to $6B, probably recognizing that he'd gotten really damned lucky. But he didn't take the one-way ticket to Costa Rica; he parlayed his lottery payout into a continuous string of successful businesses.

I'm not saying everyone gets a multi-billion-dollar exit (and even getting there in the first place is fucking tough; certainly a lot tougher than it was in the '90s). But there are worse paths through life than being a serial entrepreneur who's in it for the love of the game.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sireat on Thursday November 14, 2013 @04:34AM (#6731476)
Mark Cuban also sold his first company for 7 figures (I think) figuring it would be enough before starting broadcast.com .

He is a great(and rather rare) example of bootstrapping your money upwards. Most people only get lucky/good once.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by ryguytilidie on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:27AM (#6730922)
That is the problem I always have with this argument. It turns into "do you want to have fuck you money and do whatever or keep your baby"? Why not take 3b and start whatever venture you want? Why not 6 different ventures?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by jasonwilk on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @05:09PM (#6728993)
There is a theory called "When the founder drives a porsche", which refers to already wealthy entrepreneurs who have much more appetite for risk to go for the big exit.

Evan has taken at least $30-40M off the table in subsequent financing rounds. He has enough stacked away to go for an exit that deems him a billionaire which my guess at this point would need to be a $5B acquisition (assuming cap gains tax for his piece)

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by boyter on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:38AM (#6730960)
Even so your quality of life is going to increase a lot more from $30 million to $1 billion, then $1 billion to $3 billion.

I always liked the quote from Entrapment "What can you do with 7 billion that you can't do with 4?"

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by pmarca on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @08:31PM (#6729945)
If Thomas Watson, Dave Packard, Ken Olsen, Bill Gates, Bob Noyce, Ben Rosen, Michael Dell, Jim Clark, Scott McNealy, Larry Ellison, John Sidgmore, Ross Perot, Steve Case, Steve Jobs, Irwin Jacobs, Larry Page, Jeff Bezos, Pierre Omidyar, Jerry Yang, Mark Zuckerberg, Evan Williams, and Ben Silbermann all thought like that, I don't think our industry would even exist today.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by smacktoward on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:26PM (#6730502)
Scott McNealy: sold Sun to Oracle for $7bn

Steve Case: sold AOL to Time Warner for $164bn

Ev Williams: sold Blogger to Google for an undisclosed sum

John Sidgmore: sold UUNet to MFS Communications for $2bn

Ross Perot: sold EDS to General Motors for $2.5bn (in 1984 dollars!)

Just sayin'.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by pmarca on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:32PM (#6730529)
Scott McNealy: sold Sun to Oracle for $7bn

[Yes, 20 years later from the point in time I'm talking about.]

Steve Case: sold AOL to Time Warner for $164bn

[$3 billion isn't cool. You know what's cool? $164 billion is cool.]

Ev Williams: sold Blogger to Google for an undisclosed sum

[Obviously I was referring to Twitter.]

John Sidgmore: sold UUNet to MFS Communications for $2bn

[Brainfart -- I meant John Morgridge.]

Ross Perot: sold EDS to General Motors for $2.5bn (in 1984 dollars!)

[Yeah, but that's when $2.5 billion was real money.]

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by diek on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:46PM (#6730582)
Maybe others can reply for the other names in your list, but at least Larry Page tried to sell the tech behind the Google search engine to all the major search engines of the era. None of them wanted outside tech (NIH syndrome, etc) and thought their stuff was "good enough". Based on that, if one of those search giants had offered Larry $3B, what do you think he would have said?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by svmegatron on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:12PM (#6730298)
I actually wonder how many of them might have taken this offer (or its equivalent), if it was on the table.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by pmarca on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:34PM (#6730539)
Virtually every super-successful tech franchise company got big offers at this stage.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by svmegatron on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:41PM (#6730562)
I did not know that, thanks! It's hard to imagine SnapChat in such rarefied company as the ones you mention, but I guess that's the point - there was a similar time in all of those companies' pasts, hard though it may be to recall it now that they are successful.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:15AM (#6730688)
i get what you're saying, but i'm not sure that's actually true. once you are getting offers in the billions it's pretty clear you have something. obviously no guarantees, but certainly you have some potential.

that being said, the market potential for a google is quite obviously higher than the potential for snapchat i think. I can't imagine a future world where snapchat is worth more than google, and if it is, it's almost certainly because they used that valuation to pivot and make something more worthwhile.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by pmarca on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:08AM (#6730863)
[This is not a comment on Snapchat specifically, so I'm going to take out the reference to Snapchat and replace with "X"...]

"that being said, the market potential for a google is quite obviously higher than the potential for X i think. I can't imagine a future world where X is worth more than google, and if it is, it's almost certainly because they used that valuation to pivot and make something more worthwhile."

You can only say that with the benefit of hindsight. At the equivalent stage in Google's life, you might well have been equally skeptical of Google -- and a lot of people were, including at various times their founders and their VCs. It was widely known at that time that search was a bad business -- in fact, the assumption based on several years of prior data was that it was a loss leader for portals. Google itself didn't start with the keyword advertising model, they developed that along the way (in part based on work done earlier at Goto.com, which hadn't worked nearly as well for them).

Equally, at the equivalent stage in Microsoft's life, it was well known that PCs were a toy and that people wouldn't pay for software. At the equivalent stage in Oracle's life, it was well known that data belonged in hierarchical databases on mainframes, not in relational databases on Unix servers. At the equivalent stage in Cisco's life, it was well known that proprietary networks like SNA and DECnet were standard among people who paid for things and that the Internet was only a toy for academics. And so forth and so on.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by credo on Thursday November 14, 2013 @01:43AM (#6730978)
>>"Equally, at the equivalent stage in Microsoft's life, it was well known that PCs were a toy and that people wouldn't pay for software."

You're mistaken in your analogy.

Regardless of what some people thought they "knew", Microsoft was always in the paid-software business. Microsoft was formed in 1975 and that year, their revenue was $16,000. In 1977 it was $381K (with net income of $112K). 3 years after formation, Microsoft's revenue was $1.3M. Microsoft's business plan was based on selling software and they did that from the beginning.

Snapchat was formed around 3 years ago. At this "equivalent stage", they seem to have zero revenue. It also seems like they are holding out for a better purchase-offer. They seem to be on the familiar VC-guided route of "selling a company and its users" as opposed to the old-fashioned route of "selling a software product/service".

In general, I don't think you can equate the growth strategy/prospects of an independent/self-sufficient company that sells software-products with a company that wishes to sell itself.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:34AM (#6731110)
"At the equivalent stage" - I disagree on all examples. It depends on what we are talking about though. I was talking about 3 billion + valuation, not 2 years into company. I'm pretty sure each of the above mentioned companies were pretty successful companies by the time they got to a 3 billion valuation. Obviously there is some inflation over time, but microsoft didn't get to that point until several years after IPO. Pretty sure at that point it was a bit more clear they were going to be able to make money than snapchat.

Now, snapchat can make money, don't get me wrong. They have a lot of eyeballs and it is worth a big number. I just don't think the number is that big to too many people other than Facebook.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by nakedrobot2 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @03:25AM (#6731265)
Or it's a sign that it's a completely stupid idea, with no chance to turn into a profitable business, and that we are in a bubble.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by OnyeaboAduba on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:23PM (#6727712)
I might be in the minority here but I think snapchat is totally worth 3 billion. And the article says they have a company interested in a round valuing them at 4 billion . If Instagram would have held out longer and not accepted the deal from facebook (They didnt need it the just closed a nice round of funding a couple months before)they would probably be worth North of 6 billion
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by cylinder on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:11PM (#6728124)
Those valuations are really not that significant. We don't know the motivations of the investors. They are buying a small piece of the company at a certain price, often for strategic purposes other than simply the investment itself. So, if I buy 3 shares of YCombinator at a price that would value YC at $5 billion, because I want to make connections or explore a strategic partnership with them, does that mean PG could sell YC for $5 billion tomorrow? No way.

If Instagram were to sell 100% of itself today, who would buy it, other than Facebook? There are only a handful of players who can afford $3 billion+ for a speculative acquisition of a company with 0 cash flow. They definitely would not be able to IPO anytime soon, and waiting that long involves a significant amount of risk (by the time they are mature they could be abandoned and worthless). And remember, even if you do IPO, you can't just dump your shares right when the lockup period ends, if you're an executive or insider. You need to disclose your sales and if you're still involved with the company and try to sell all your shares, the stock will likely plummet. The best you can do is buy insurance on the value or borrow against shares.

Same goes for Pinterest. Who would all of the company at that valuation or anywhere near it? Other than maybe Facebook, I can't imagine anyone else.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by mtrimpe on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @05:06PM (#6728964)
Pinterest's demographic is women who are looking for stuff to buy or making mood boards to get inspiration for what to buy.

I'd say they should be able to monetize that quite well.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sharkweek on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @09:53PM (#6730225)
I work in marketing -- trust me, we're all salivating for Pinterest ads to go live
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by jonnathanson on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:15PM (#6730307)
This.

Pinterest is the greatest cash cow in the making that nobody's talking about. (I mean, they're talking about it. But nobody's talking about it the way they're talking about Snapchat, which is kind of nuts. Pinterest is the perfect ad platform, outside of Google, for a demographic almost every major consumer brand cares deeply about.)

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by 001sky on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @11:45PM (#6730578)
This is a great point, and for advertisers it seems absolutely correct. In part because the purpose of the use and her mindset and the advertisers are in synch. Perhaps somewhat similar is linkedin (now worth ~$20B). FB, Instagram, Snapchat, and Twitter have emerged to be far more disruptive socially as communications platforms. This puts advertsing and the user experience at something of a conflict in terms of functionality (& ignoring here the privacy/data collection debate, which is a different issue). So the reason snapchat is 'hot' right now to FB and VCs is this disruptive potential to entities with deep pockets.

What is interesting, IMHO, is to see if the network effect is really critical, or if the service can be repicated by a thrid party. What I think we will see soon is that people will maintain a network on one site and not necessarily use it; they will turn to other platforms to communicate on an ad-hoc basis. The ad-hoc platforms will have significant value, but wheras instagram and twitter were additional platforms for audience aggregation, the next wave will be service layers where you communicate to your network by "porting over" your contact base, as needed. The only reason I'm bothering to ramble on is that I'm not sure FB wins the game buy buying out SnapChat. That worked for instagram, which had a sticky network and people didn't leave it. For SnapChat, the whole premise is LNT...so why feel stuck to it? Once FB owns it they will track the hell out of everyone using it, so the LNT value prop dies. But the demand will surely remain if the service can be cloned.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by DSingularity on Thursday November 14, 2013 @04:26AM (#6731450)
I think all they want to say to advertisers is "we have the most active social platform". They can figure out, given enough time and assuming they have patience, how to effectively monetize the snapchat users.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by toomuchtodo on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:29PM (#6730353)
Adblock Plus doesn't work in Pintrest yet?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by conradfr on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:36AM (#6731119)
It would be interesting to know ADB's users' demographics
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by cpeterso on Thursday November 14, 2013 @03:38AM (#6731299)
I think differentiating Pinterest ads from content will be tough. The company had previously been rewriting pinned product URLs to include Pinterest's own referrer code. (Users didn't like that.)
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:19AM (#6730705)
Same does not go for Pinterest. Pinterest will be able to make money and lots of it very easily. It is the perfect social site. It is a site for women to tag things they want to buy. It doesn't get any better than that except for maybe google. If I could invest in Pinterest today or anytime in the last few years I'd do it in a heartbeat. The same cannot be said for snapchat.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by radicalbyte on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:59AM (#6730842)
It's amazing, I never saw the point of Pinterest until I saw my wife using it.

Snapchat on the other hand? I can understand the key selling point - it's basically the naked girl app. And I'd wager that a good proportion of their traffic could get the receivers arrested...

I'd have been all over it when I was a teenager, though.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by perbu on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:29PM (#6727764)
Instagram would be worth north of $6B based on what, exactly? It just doesn't make any sense to me. Maybe it is because I live in Europe and Instagram is ad-free here so I can't really see it changing peoples lives.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by badman_ting on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:41PM (#6727872)
Right now, I would agree. It's just that the reason for using this app (it forgets stuff) is something that is easy to implement, and lock-in doesn't seem to be much of a worry. So it seems like the barriers to entry are very low. I like these people, I'm rooting for them and all, but still.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by joelrunyon on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:10PM (#6728107)
Tangentially related question:

What's the best country to hang out on with a beach & super fast wifi?

Costa Rica always gets thrown around - but wondering if there's anything better/warmer/cheaper/faster.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by 1p1e1 on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:56PM (#6728432)
A month ago, I arrived in Morocco to work on my startup after I quit my job back in Belgium.

I'm living in Taghazout, which is a very small fishing/surfing village. It's quite touristic, so rent prices are high. I'm paying ~$400 per month. However, food is extremely cheap. I easily live on $25 per week when cooking at home.

My studio has a direct view towards the beach with opportunity for spectacular sunsets. The beach is 1 minute away, so I hear the sound of the ocean 24/7. The bays in the area give you more than enough beaches for sunbathing or surfing.

It's definitely warm, more or less around the calendar.

The internet that I have is extremely slow though. That would be a 0.25 Mbps connection. It's enough for working, but any forms of procrastination i.e. YouTube, cat browsing in reddit are nearly impossible. You can find 4 Mbps connection in some houses, but it is extremely rear. My guess is that in the big cities like Agadir, there will be fast wifi.

If you have questions, shoot me an email - filipminev [at] gmail

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:08AM (#6730657)
oh to have "high" $400 rent.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by 1p1e1 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @07:07AM (#6731838)
You can find something for half the price if you are not picky when it comes to location.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by enraged_camel on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:24AM (#6730721)
What made you choose Morocco?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by 1p1e1 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @07:04AM (#6731827)
I've wrote about it in more detail on my blog (there are a couple of more posts about it): filipminev.com/post/63548505248/on-the-startup-road

But in a nutshell - adventure, warm weather, learn to surf, meet a lot of tourists with who I can share my startup idea, and receive feedback prior launching.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by tikhonj on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:10AM (#6731043)
I don't know about internet, but I really loved Croatia. Perfect weather on the beautiful Adriatic with some incredible cities. Dubrovnik is the best known, but I spent a couple of weeks living right by Korčula and that was also wonderful.

To me, at least, being in Europe is also a really big plus. I love the idea that I could just take a ferry to Italy and going to Paris or London is only a slightly longer trip.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by seiji on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:50PM (#6728381)
San Diego with an LTE hotspot? Cheap, warm, fast, pick three.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by druiid on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:54AM (#6730829)
It's cheap to live in San Diego? Please tell that to my landlord. Certainly cheaper than SF proper, but really you end up paying a lot for gas (Because you drive everywhere) and food. At the end of the day, you probably aren't saving much.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by angrybits on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @06:57PM (#6729519)
San Diego is cheap, hmm. Who knew?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by enraged_camel on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:23AM (#6730717)
It can also get fairly chilly in comparison to Latin American countries.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by clarky07 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:09AM (#6730662)
right. i guess cheap is in the eye of the beholder? perhaps compared to new york or san fran.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by joelrunyon on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @06:45PM (#6729462)
Touche.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by aet on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @08:16PM (#6729896)
I agree -- I'm starting to think all social media sites have a half-life. I guess I'm too old to understand snap chat. Like -- isn't it just text messaging w/ pictures? Aren't there already a million ways to do that without ads? Any youths want to weigh in?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by sharkweek on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @09:56PM (#6730232)
It's the first app or whathaveyou that I completely don't understand (at the ripe age of 28).

I was early to FB, a little late to Twitter, but I love it now, loved Instagram... etc.

But Snapchat? Nah, "that's for the kids"

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by drharris on Thursday November 14, 2013 @09:43AM (#6732532)
I'm 30 and didn't really understand it, but I work with teenagers quite a bit. My generation was very excited about putting things online, permanently, a monument to our selves. Things like blogs, facebook, even twitter are pretty much permanent; you're putting your information and ideas out there for anybody to see. What I gather from kids now is that they don't care about permanence so much as connecting with people. So they're leaving FB for the most part, for ephemeral services like Snapchat and Whatsapp (another one I don't understand). They like the idea they can communicate with a single person and have it disappear. They won't be haunted by a bad picture (or naughty ones) the rest of their lives. They don't have to "think" about what they're doing (which I see as a problem, but they think this way). Nothing's permanent, so it's all about the raw conversation.

That said, as a tech guy, every one of the kids I talk to says something like "but I wish it did ___" or "but I'd really rather use ___ if it worked a certain way". I believe Snapchat is successful for maybe one more year, tops, until some other startup gets even more in touch with the latest trends. I would have taken the $3bn and run. FB's and Twitter's days are also numbered, judging by the teenager beliefs today.

For those wanting a good idea (I don't care about this space enough), teenagers are really interested in micro-celebrity. Some of their favorite bands, actors, etc. are local to them, are generally not big hits, etc. but communicate individually with them (even through Snapchat). One of Twitter's big reasons it worked was because of big celebrities communicating directly to fans. Kids now seem to not care at all about big celebrities. If you can find a way to even more easily connect smaller celebrities/bands to young fans and allow personalized interaction, you just found a potential next big thing.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by antocv on Thursday November 14, 2013 @02:37AM (#6731122)
Its picture chatting and that hasnt been done before that well, so instantenous and fleeting.

The others cant compare, its not a chat with oh send a file or upload picturr click here there herr and there. ugh.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by dmak on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:11PM (#6727580)
They're trying to buy them out because SnapChat is a problem, just like how Instagram was. At some point, everyone was just posting a link to their Instagram photos in their status. In other words, it is validation that you are being disruptive, and you should definitely hold on.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by nicholassmith on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:13PM (#6727593)
I think it depends on how risk averse you are, if you're willing to press on you may potentially end up with a higher valuation or it could start going wrong and you've got no chance of getting as strong an exit. Also depends on your motivation about building a business, if it's about money then taking a strong early exit is a sensible idea, if it's about building the business and exploring it's future then selling and seeing your vision disappear is probably a worst fate than losing out on the money.

I'd personally sell and I'm not very risk adverse, I always push for more when I'm gambling, but if you're exiting at a $1bn value you're going to have enough to explore most ideas without worrying about outside investment.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by bruceb on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @07:51PM (#6729775)
The argument could be made that 2nd acts in tech rarely go well. See youtube founder getting sued by Kanye and others. There are of course exceptions.

Does anyone know the name of the instagram founders? Not really. They got money but only a little fame. If Evan sells out then maybe he is less known. Gamble but a chance at legendary status.

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by salemh on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @10:58PM (#6730427)
I guess goals matter. What is "reputation" and what does it mean, except for your future goal execution. If you want to start more companies, meeet more people, retire, etc.

I don't understand "legacy" or "legendary" status at all. Bill Gates may get a footnote in history, but what are you really chasing after for "legendary"? Do most people even know the YouTube founders? Does being a dead artist with legions of fans mean anything?

Now I'm getting existential, but I don't understand your comment on "fame." They should break into movies with their $20MM or so, or music if they so desire "fame."

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by downandout on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:39PM (#6728753)
I absolutely agree. I can see this article being reposted on HN in a few years as a laughable cautionary tale for unrealistic entrepreneurs. Snapchat gained a significant user base quickly with very few resources. The next popular app will do the exact same thing and curtail Snapchat's growth and prospects.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by segmondy on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @03:34PM (#6728260)
No the reason you will may never be a billionaire enterpreneur is that you are probably yet to build something. If you did build it, and Facebook offered you $3bn. You are damn near a billionaire if not. Who's still counting? $500million or $1billion. I don't know that I can tell the difference or feel it in my lifetime.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by andrewhillman on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @04:23PM (#6728656)
What separates the "billionaire entrepreneurs" and the "other entrepreneurs" is that the billionaire entrepreneurs know something others don't (market insight).

With this being said, I believe if you knew something others didn't understand you would not be doing a) or b).

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by jotm on Thursday November 14, 2013 @04:01AM (#6731357)
I don't think you lack vision: I think you simply see what many others see - that Snapchat will be one of the many Myspaces of mobile. Even if it stays afloat, it will soon be valuated much, much lower than it is now.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by dgregd on Thursday November 14, 2013 @07:03AM (#6731818)
> "here's 3bn, please give us your users"

3 bn is not cool anymore.

You known what's cool? 10 bn!

Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by frigg on Thursday November 14, 2013 @08:34AM (#6732144)
You are forgetting that Mark Zuckerberg is already a millionaire.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by crassus on Thursday November 14, 2013 @04:29AM (#6731458)
With $3 billion, you could put a rocketship on Mars, do serious research into gene-modifying medicine, start new cities on the ocean, make automated laboratories that shrink the cost of medical research - you know, sci fi shit. I'd trade a teen messaging startup for that any day.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by nationcrafting on Thursday November 14, 2013 @10:25PM (#6737499)
Exactly. It's funny that on a network of primarily tech founders, everyone seems to be looking at this as spending money, when the real pleasure is in using wealth as capital to really "make a dent in the universe".
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by seivan on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:04PM (#6727531)
I'd take 1% of that even.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by OnyeaboAduba on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:08PM (#6727554)
They already got that from their last round. Both founders took 10 million of the table just so they wouldnt be seduced by a offer like this.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by seivan on Wednesday November 13, 2013 @02:20PM (#6727670)
Wow. Suddenly their business model doesn't seem so shitty.
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by gaadd33 on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:18AM (#6730695)
What is their business model?
Re:Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook by pbhjpbhj on Thursday November 14, 2013 @12:44AM (#6730792)
Turn down the big money and wait for their one-tricky pony to die a slow death as it falls out of fashion?