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Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by tete on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:45PM (#50429728)
I think the fact that in general women are considered to have more mental health issues and men committing suicide way more often shows that this headline is true.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by free652 on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:56PM (#50429918)
Right on point.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Forgeties79 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:09PM (#50430132)
Men have a higher “success” rate, women attempt at a higher rate. Something to consider as well.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by bryanrasmussen on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:01PM (#50431084)
well if you succeed the first time I doubt you will try again.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by flerchin on Monday November 09, 2026 @01:57PM (#50429931)
As seen in the gender disparity in murder, women just need a man's help there too
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by cnity on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:01PM (#50430005)
Male violence against women (and indeed other men) is downstream of men's mental health. It always struck me as backward to try and shame men into "being better". Safety for women is a facet of healthy men. Mentally unhealthy men are dangerous (speaking as a man myself), therefore we should find ways to improve men's mental health.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by jasonlotito on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:09PM (#50430138)
> It always struck me as backward to try and shame men into "being better".

Well, other methods haven't worked, such as trying to help or have these discussions. Or relying on science.

> Safety for women is a facet of healthy men.

Unfortunately, men generally don't care about this reasoning.

> ...we should find ways to improve men's mental health.

Unfortunately, men are the ones generally opposed to this. It's a "sign of weakness."

Let's be clear, men work hard to prevent men from improving men's mental health.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Forgeties79 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:34PM (#50430603)
Toxic masculinity hurts everyone, including men, unfortunately.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Forgeties79 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:10PM (#50430147)
While I agree with you, I think a lot of the “be better” rhetoric comes from plenty of men in power telling all sorts of marginalized groups the exact same thing. “Bootstraps” culture is just generally toxic.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by burnaftercommen on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:14PM (#50430227)
>It always struck me as backward to try and shame men into "being better". Safety for women is a facet of healthy men.

I think the underlying idea is that us men need to hold ourselves accountable. These issues are primarily* issues that men need to fix, and it's unrealistic to expect other demographics to do it for us. Thus, telling men to "be better" is about the most you can expect from other demographics.

*There are nuances here, obviously. Please don't try and reply with some gotcha.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by burnaftercommen on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:00PM (#50429986)
Women attempt suicide more often than men do, but men are more likely to use more "effective" means (e.g. gunshot to head).
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by robswc on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:14PM (#50430217)
This is not something I think about much (fortunately), but what is the point in attempting suicide by means that are not likely to work? How do we measure "true attempts" vs "cries for help." I guess ultimately they are very close together... but all the same it seems harder to attempt and not succeed.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by maerF0x0 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:22PM (#50430366)
> cries for help.

This is the most plausible hypothesis, judging revealed preferences by the outcomes.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by burnaftercommen on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:28PM (#50430478)
>This is the most plausible hypothesis

It's not the most plausible hypothesis. Men are more likely to own firearms than women are, therefore they're more likely to attempt suicide by firearms.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by allig256 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:32PM (#50430575)
How does that explain that this male vs female ratio stands in countries with low gun ownership rates?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by wtch98 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:43PM (#50430789)
Top suicide methods in my country:

hanging/strangulation (9,164, 49%);

self-poisoning (4,098, 22%);

jumping/multiple injuries (2,423, 13%).

All three are equally available to men and women and anyone else.

In terms of rate, male suicide rate 17.2 per 100,000. Female suicide rate of 5.4 per 100,000

London has the lowest overall rate of just 7.3 per 100,000, 65% of the national rate. North East being highest at 14 per 100k.

The highest population group being Males aged 50-54 years, being 27.9 per 100,000

Wales is even worse, with Males aged 45-49 years being 32.3 per 100,000, and overall 21.6 (male) // 7.5 (female)

Generally the worse the economic opportunities, the higher the rate. Middle aged men are most at risk, men in general are at high risk, and guns have nothing to do with it

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by neglesaks on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:48PM (#50430871)
Nonsense, that is an America-centric attempt at making up a narrative. The sex differences in suicide outcomes are essentially the same in countries with low to zero firearms ownership, eg Europe, Australia, Japan. If there are no firearms available, then other almost equally lethal methods are used (hanging, trains, etc).

The sex difference in completed suicides is nearly universally 3-to-1 to 4-to-1.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by sznio on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:06PM (#50431173)
effect still remains after you look at statistics in countries with low firearm ownership
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by maerF0x0 on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:08PM (#50431189)
Even controlling for that the pattern holds.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by rpdillon on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:46PM (#50431848)
I've been curious about the phenomenon of suicide for a while, so I've read quite a bit about it in different countries. One of the interesting things about suicide is the means of suicide is always whatever is most available or readily available in the environment. In the U.S. where guns are more available, about half of all gun deaths are suicides, and about 80% of those are men. But in some countries in Africa, men kill themselves more frequently as well, and the primary mechanism is by drinking pesticide.

My mental model is that men tend to be more extreme and less conservative than women (risk-taking is more prevalent), and this leads to more extreme approaches in how they try to kill themselves.

But it's been a while since I've read any of these statistics, and I have no special credentials. Just thinking about what we're observing.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by akoboldfrying on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:08PM (#50432173)
Gunshot suicides account for 2.5% of suicides in England and Wales [1].

Try again.

[1]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15834784/

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by owenpalmer on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:22PM (#50430373)
Men are more aggressive so they choose more aggressive methods, which work better.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by lazyasciiart on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:29PM (#50430503)
I think in general people are not educated on the likelihood of success per attempt method, which seems ok.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by dabinat on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:30PM (#50430524)
The person may not definitively want to die, but may wake up one day and not care either way, so attempting is a roll of the dice.

It also may be down to what was available to them at the time. There’s a famous case study where a lot of women in the UK were dying by putting their heads in the oven and gassing themselves in the 1950s. The UK government changed the formulation of gas that was being piped to homes and the suicides stopped. If those women really were dead-set on suicide, they would have just chosen a different method.

What people who’ve never had extreme depression might not realize is that in those low moments it feels like you will always feel this way and it will never ever change. Then you wait an hour or so and the feeling passes. So a person may not feel suicidal 24 hours a day, only at specific moments. But in those low moments, the chances of suicide dramatically increase and as the UK case shows, accessibility to quick suicide methods makes a big difference.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by typeofhuman on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:37PM (#50430671)
Attention.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by json_hero on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:21PM (#50430337)
Yeah, because women tend to seek more clinical assistance than men do so of course the attempt % would be higher for them as well, because how are you even gonna know that number for men if they aren't even getting recorded.. the suicide numbers are the only actual real recordable evidence unfortunately.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by lazyasciiart on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:35PM (#50430622)
Unfortunately a lot of attempts also end up in the ER, which is the main source of numbers here.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by dspillett on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:33PM (#50430594)
To ignore the terrible things going through the minds of people trying¹ and the effects attempts, especially successful ones, can have on others, for a moment²… I wonder if anyone has looked deeper into those two stats to, see if the attempt rate is actually the same but the lower success rate means that the average women in that sort of crisis position attempts more times.

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[1] Speaking as one who did some decades ago, as irritating as life is right now I'm glad I bucked the trend of any “men have a higher 'success' rate” stat.

[2] Sometimes my nerd side takes control and empathy takes a back seat.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by delecti on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:32PM (#50431626)
Commonly proposed reasons I've seen mostly involve conscientiousness around impact on their body and setting. For the most stereotypical two methods: a gunshot to the head leaves a mess and means you're going to need a closed casket, while the mess from a slit wrist in a bathtub can be washed down the drain, and easily hidden while still having an open casket. But it's harder to "succeed" with a slit wrist in a bathtub, and it takes longer, giving more time to be found or to change your mind.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by cucumber3732842 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:02PM (#50430028)
Men and women have different mental health crisis spirals.

It's like the difference between killing yourself drunk crashing your car into a pole vs winding up in a wheelchair because you crashed into everything of value on the street before hitting the same pole slower.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by swingandamiss on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:15PM (#50430236)
There's too many men in this world, a surplus. Some percent of men will be the winners (not a large percent) and the rest will be losers who never reproduce and have unhappy lives doing hard work with little reward.

In the past we had large wars, harsh labor, that killed off men, but not today. There's roughly 5% males born than females. India and China have aborted 10s of millions of female babies. In the Western world, massive numbers of men (from low to high skilled) have move there. So here we are, men everywhere, roaming around grocery stores trying to talk to women, 70 to 80% of the population on dating apps are males, bars are filled with men. It's not a good time to be a low status man.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by strbean on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:22PM (#50430370)
Latest figures say there are about 101.03 males per 100 females. For some reason this means most men will be losers?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by sublinear on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:31PM (#50430532)
I don't know why we're always so dishonest about this topic (especially the most vocal younger crowd).

Men and women are far too picky compared to the past. That's why they die alone. It's that simple.

There's nothing wrong with this if it means you're happier than being stuck in a relationship you don't want, but you can't have it both ways.

Most people reading this know exactly who they'd be with if they just said yes to their options. Not liking your options is vastly different from having no options at all. Your options can change if you make the change within as well.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by StilesCrisis on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:51PM (#50430930)
> Most people reading this know exactly who they'd be with if they just said yes to their options.

What does this mean? Just lower your standards and there's a woman out there for you?

It's been a long time since I was single, but I never felt like that. I worked at a job with a bunch of other men and didn't have a lot of social outlets that involved women. My candidate pool was close to zero. I eventually recognized this and found ways to broaden my pool, but it wasn't easy.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by sublinear on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:06PM (#50431163)
I'm not prescribing anything. I'm describing the situation.

I'm only speculating that I think the past used to be (a lot) worse. Competition was higher across the board for significantly worse options across the board. So much of the modern era is defined by the desire for social change, but nobody seems to pause and think what that must mean regarding the perception of their options.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by cowlevel on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:08PM (#50431194)
I don't know anyone who likes me sexually or romantically. Are you telling me that's not normal?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by sublinear on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:17PM (#50431359)
You'd be surprised. How are you so sure of that? You're the judge, not me.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by swingandamiss on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:42PM (#50430768)
You are counting the over 50s/60s. Men die off faster and it was more equal in the older generations. That's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about men who are attempting to start their lives and a family and/or date. In that pool, there's A LOT more men than women in the western world. Particularly the USA.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by wtch98 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:45PM (#50430811)
UN's global average sex ratio at birth of approximately 105 boys for every 100 girls
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by Sanzig on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:31PM (#50430541)
The vast majority of heterosexual men who are unsuccessful romantically has nothing to do with their "status." A bit of self-confidence and the ability to listen to and empathize with women is literally all it takes. Women don't want to date chuds, shocker.

Also, dating apps are pointless. Go volunteer for a community organization or join a pickleball league. Don't force it.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by harimau777 on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:57PM (#50431016)
How are men supposed to develop that self confidence?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by delecti on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:40PM (#50431755)
Exercise, self-improvement (reading, hobbies), socializing. Go do things with people. It requires effort, and can be intimidating.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by opwieurposiu on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:42PM (#50431776)
Go take some social dance lessons like swing or salsa.
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by SubmarineClub on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:47PM (#50431871)
lol, how can you be this delusional
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by bluefirebrand on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:41PM (#50432649)
> Women don't want to date chuds, shocker.

An alarming number of my wife's female friends married chuds, or seem to only pursue chuds.

One of her friends is cheated on by almost every man she's dated. She also almost exclusively seems to date men who have been to prison

Obviously "not all women" but come on. Women date chuds all the time.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by newsclues on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:24PM (#50431466)
Historical solution: war
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by kixiQu on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:22PM (#50432364)
https://acoup.blog/2025/07/18/collections-life-work-death-an...

> Expressed another way, that would mean that 10% of all males surviving to adulthood would perish in combat.

> We’ll get back around to fertility rates later in the series but for how if we assume each woman in this society is having on average five live childbirths, a 2% chance of death at each stage adds up pretty quickly – a woman who gave birth five times with a 2% chance of dying each time has a total chance of dying at one stage or another of 9.607%, which as you will note is not far off from the chance of dying in a battle

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by tarpitt on Monday November 09, 2026 @04:52PM (#50432777)
One difference there is that's a 9.607% chance of dying after reproducing, whereas for men 10% die (before?) reproducing
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by alasano on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:17PM (#50430278)
Does it imply also fewer men getting diagnosed? I presume it does.

I remember reading something about mental health in Iceland being much more even between men and women due to less perceived stigma and more equality, leading to men seeking help.

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by nonethewiser on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:22PM (#50430362)
I don't understand this. If you want to compare mental health issue rate, why not compare mental health directly? Instead of a related factor?

It's 26%women/19%men some mental health issue and 7%women/4%men serious mental health issue

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/mental-illness

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by malfist on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:27PM (#50430460)
How do you measure mental health directly? Everything has a sampling bias
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by nonethewiser on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:37PM (#50430669)
Meeting DSM-IV diagnostic criteria
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by malfist on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:53PM (#50430949)
Sure. And how do you determine what percentage of a population fits that DSM-IV criteria?
Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by dghlsakjg on Monday November 09, 2026 @03:03PM (#50431126)
Great. How do you determine that men and women are seeking treatment at the same rate, and that diagnoses are being given out at the same rates for matching symptoms across genders?

It could just as much be the case that men are diagnosed at a lower rate because they seek out care less often (many studies point at this being true) or that men who do seek care are not diagnosed at as high of a rate despite having the same symptoms (men report higher rates of dissatisfaction with mental care, and other studies show gender bias in diagnosis - men get told to "man up" in so many words-, or men get misdiagnosed because symptoms for the same mental illness vary between men and women)

Re:Too many men suffering in silence, national health report... by kelseyfrog on Monday November 09, 2026 @02:39PM (#50430718)
You might be interested in operationalization. Every measurement is also an operationalization - even things like temperature, speed, and weight.

Eliding or obscuring the act of operationalization leads to reification - treating concepts like real tangible things. I wish reification was taken as seriously as our taboo of anthropomorphization. It happens way more, and sneakily smuggles in human values into the sciences. In some ways it's unavoidable, but being opaque about it and doing it without knowing is a sin.