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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by ActionHank on Thursday November 05, 2026 @03:50PM (#50384311)
I tried Kagi for a couple of months and then cancelled.

I really liked the AI search, but it burns through credits too quickly. I have since switched to using Hermes, it's not quite as good yet, but it's a fraction of the cost.

I liked the idea of ad free, slop free search. There were some problems with that though, which were hard to push past. I really like being able to search for stores and local restaurants. Maps integrations were hit or miss, mostly miss. It was also weirdly slow for me, even to load the search page without a query.

Final point was their published and then unpublished support of Yandex. The CEO tried to argue some "search without borders" BS, but really they are taking your money that and sending some of it to a Russian company which is either directly or indirectly funding a pointless war. I took issue with that and remembered it every single time I opened the page. In particular it really didn't sit well with me that the response was flippant and then they took down their list of sources.

I've switched to DDG and have been happier, YMMV.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by mrmenace on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:00PM (#50384394)
hey quick question, what part of Hermes were you using for search? Do they have a similar web portal to Kagi's Assistant or is it more like the AI overview below the search bar?
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by ActionHank on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:13PM (#50384517)
I am running it locally at home with tailscale for access outside of my home network. I added a tavily key for search and pageloads. There are various FE projects that can connect to Hermes, they also have a frontend, but it's not a "search" interface.

If you're looking for something more typical of search + AI, DDG is probably the next best. If you're looking for a search assistant that will find you a direct link to the leaked gta 6 footage that people are talking about or to summarise a comparison of 2 oss libs, Hermes is probably the one you're after.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by gxs on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:00PM (#50384396)
I think you’re objections are fair and real so I won’t dismiss them

The ai credit thing is real too and I’ve written to them about it several time. My solution was just to sign up for the entire year in one go

You have to keep in mind it’s only like $25 of usage, though they could handle the experience better. In the past in the assistant it would even delete your prompt when you ran out and it was super annoying

As a product though I think it’s great - more than good enough to get off of google, I like the privacy aspect, and it’s ai features slot in nicely between search and my Claude subscription

If you follow the money, somewhere you’ll find something unsavory. This is me mostly coping, admittedly, but Kagi is good enough that a) I want to cope and b) hope continues to thrive as a full featured search engine that is a legitimate alternative to Google

DDG is good too, not quite on par with Kagi though. Kagi is super configurable and customizable- e.g. lenses, down ranking websites (e.g. for me Pinterest appears way low in search results, ai slop detection etc)

It’s also cool to be a paying customer - you email them, they respond, and sometimes even fix a bug right away for you

Happy overall with the service even though I agree it’s not perfect

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by egecant on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:04PM (#50384436)
>they are taking your money that and sending some of it to a Russian company which is either directly or indirectly funding a pointless war

Couldn't you make the same argument about American companies such as DuckDuckGo?

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by lostmsu on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:05PM (#50384451)
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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by gamegod on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:08PM (#50384472)
Counterpoint: I use Kagi Assistant on the $10/mo plan for literally everything I would have used Google for before and have never burned my monthly credits.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by ActionHank on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:13PM (#50384528)
Entirely possible I am a heavy user. I tend to use AI search for all search now.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by pprotas on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:10PM (#50384490)
Kagi is HN’s favorite darling, but their leadership constantly makes anti-user, bad business decisions.

Remember their “early adopter” drama? Wasn’t their only drama.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by jm4 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:13PM (#50384526)
I am one of their earliest subscribers. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by RussianCow on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:19PM (#50384596)
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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by AndroidKitKat on Friday November 06, 2026 @07:50AM (#50391729)
Also a very early subscriber; similarly no clue what 'early adopter drama' there was. Maybe it was the free shirts? I really had no complaints with that and the shirts made for good walking billboards. Several people have asked me what "Humanize the web" meant.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by ipaddr on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:15PM (#50384546)
Yandex.com is a company based in Europe while .ru is Russian based
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by ActionHank on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:17PM (#50384578)
"Coca Cola Europe is not Coca Cola" you see how stupid that sounds right?
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by ipaddr on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:14PM (#50385244)
They are separate entities. In fact you buying gas rises the global price of oil which in turn gives money to Russia to fund the war. Better leave those keys at home and walk if you actual care about not funding Russia. I doubt you care enough.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by sunaookami on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:49PM (#50385639)
No, in 2024 Yandex was completely sold to Russian investors. The previous company (Yandex N.V.) renamed itself to Nebius Group after that.

EDIT: Also technically Russia is in Europe ;)

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by guelo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:15PM (#50384553)
Yandex is a great tool when you need to escape the west's censorship regime.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by chairmansteve on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:33PM (#50384749)
Exactly! I too prefer only FSB approved information.

Also, news.pravda.com publishes only the Truth in the English language. It's the Russian equivalent of Truth.social, which of course exclusively publishes the Truth. It's in the name, don't you see.

Ps. I just found out there is website called Pravda.social.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by guelo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:40PM (#50384834)
Huh? I assume you're being sarcastic but I don't go on Yandex looking for news. I said it's a useful tool for circumventing western censorship. For example copyrighted info, info from outlawed political groups (western designated terrorists), or rich people info censored under various defamation or "right to be forgotten" court orders.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by girvo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:38PM (#50384814)
It being useful is entirely orthogonal to the original commenter’s (and my) issue with it: money going to them is money being used to bomb my family’s home.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by guelo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:17PM (#50385276)
My comment is censored but name me the ethical big tech company
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by girvo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:22PM (#50385993)
Those aren’t funding the murder of my family members.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by throwaway27448 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @04:23PM (#50384642)
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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:41PM (#50385545)
America's present conflicts aren't remotely on the same scale. America won't continue to overwhelmingly elect the same leader until he dies.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by throwaway27448 on Thursday November 05, 2026 @10:37PM (#50387854)
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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:38AM (#50388602)
I would consider sending funds and arms to the unambiguously right side to be the ethical course of action. Entering the war with troops would be escalatory, anyone who claims to know the result of that hypothetical escalation is a liar.

The Biden administration and western leaders chose monetary and logistical assistance with which Ukraine has fought Russia to a stalemate. That's not a terrible outcome if the alternative is Russia actually following through with their mad man nonsense.

Oh yeah, and winning isn't accomplished with overwhelming force. The West marching into Moscow was never a possibility, despite what Alex Dugin will have you believe. Winning is Putin backing down, being deposed, or doing the swan lake thing.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by throwaway27448 on Friday November 06, 2026 @02:02AM (#50389084)
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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Friday November 06, 2026 @09:16AM (#50392534)
> Anyone who claims there is an alternative path to victory is a liar.

The liar is named Afghanistan.

> I won't ever forgive the west for throwing ukraine under the bus to express their anxiety about russia

What does this even mean?

> Russia will just replace him with someone on the right wing of russian politics. That's actually a worse scenario in every way.

Amazing. Russian voters will look at their economy, their dead, their global image, and choose someone even more inclined to continue the five+ year SMO.

I'm not so sure the succession will be smooth though. If anyone was equipped to seamlessly take the reins they'd be a threat to the current guy. Any internal struggle means less commitment to the war.

> The only victory path is to collapse russia. We have no way to do that and there are no domestic pressures indicating this will happen any time soon. And in every way Russia is hurting, Ukraine is suffering harder.

Don't need Russia to collapse, just need it to decide there are more important uses of their fighting-age men and money. Putin is committed, others need not be. Economically, things will continue to decline for Russians and while it's possible to fake it by printing money, reality eventually catches up.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by throwaway27448 on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:36PM (#50395537)
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Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Friday November 06, 2026 @03:50PM (#50398322)
The geographical differences between Afghanistan and Ukraine means they can't achieve a similar armistice? Lol. "War has zero relevant factors other than hills." "The plains of Ukraine are a ripe target for Russia's five remaining T-72s." "Any moment now Russia will achieve a breakthrough."

> they swallowed their own cold war bullshit

You're thinking of the actual cold warrior. The one who worked in the soviet intelligence services and became a dictator. The one who initiated the invasion.

> Ukraine was just the nearest opportunity to do so, even if it meant fucking over 25 million people for no clear benefit.

When the US... rolled tanks into Ukraine? You're approaching self-parody my man.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by wolvoleo on Thursday November 05, 2026 @11:03PM (#50388019)
You know Trump is constantly bragging about a third term right?

And besides the small win this week things are still looking really bleak internationally.

I still use US services too much tbh but slowly things are improving.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Friday November 06, 2026 @12:46AM (#50388656)
Trump brags about a lot of things. He's constantly the greatest, most xyz in history. Everything is amazing right now and was a catastrophe under previous administrations. He claims he will annex Greenland and Canada. There's no reason to believe his third term ramblings are actually honest, much less practical.

I won't bore you with the details, but I fully believe he only ran for president in '24 because it was his only way to avoid prison. He was staring at two slam dunk convictions and his only outs were fleeing the country or taking over the department prosecuting him.

And even if he were to somehow circumvent the Constitution and fool the electorate that has, just this week, overwhelmingly told him he sucks, he's still not the dictator/mob boss that Putin has been for 30 years. He aspires to be that but Americans just aren't Russians.

> things are still looking really bleak internationally.

Yeah, it kind of sucks when the hegemon becomes this dumb hydra of isolationism, extortion, and military adventurism. Europe is doing a solid job of insulating itself from its mercurial western ally, I hope things will return to normal before too long.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by expedited123 on Friday November 06, 2026 @05:32AM (#50390621)
It's not. That's why I suggest people outside of the US should stop buying and using American products as much as possible.

There are options. Uruky is a great European search engine where you can use an European search index (EUSP) alongside other smaller ones. Their entire stack is USA free.

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by severino on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:25PM (#50385363)
> but really they are taking your money that and sending some of it to a Russian company which is either directly or indirectly funding a pointless war

Wait til you realize the search engines you use now are funding directly AND indirectly even more pointless wars than that one...

Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @05:39PM (#50385527)
Can we get a summary of each? I'd like to see various metrics on the scale and brutality of the war compared to state ownership of the company, direct monetary contributions, and indirect monetary contributions to the war effort.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by severino on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:23PM (#50386005)
Yes, right, I'd also like to see that information, i.e., how much of the money Yandex gets from a Kagi search from a random guy is going to the Russian MoD. Specially, a summary made by the people that thinks that switching to a search engine headquartered in Pennsylvania is a better option to "not contributing to pointless wars".
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by cosmicgadget on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:30PM (#50386077)
Wait, I thought you already had that information. You seemed to imply that you did and I needed to be enlightened.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by severino on Friday November 06, 2026 @08:39AM (#50392158)
No, I didn't, as I wasn't replying to you in the first place.
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by krupan on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:15PM (#50385923)
I'm not at all a supporter of Putin and his wars. A question for you though: does DDG show ads for any evil companies? Where does DDG get it's search results?
Re:Kagi Search for Everyone by ActionHank on Thursday November 05, 2026 @06:50PM (#50386259)
Ads can be switched off and you can also pay for the sub I believe.

Afaik DDG sources from bing and their own indexing.