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Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by danck on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:11AM (#50207715)
> At the same time, the press service states that some of the staff will continue to have access to a special platform for AI assistants, which the Government Offices themselves developed, and through which they gain access to ChatGPT and Claude.

Sounds like they just want to maintain control over the outbound traffic which sounds rather sensible to me.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by sandworm101 on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:32AM (#50207959)
It is part of the trend to locally-hosted AI. I demoed my home rig (3x5060s) to my boss last week. It certainly was not as performant as commercial options, but was well above the 90% solution for what we needed. The boss was shocked at the price points for home-built hardware. Gaming GPUs are pricy, but are nowhere near the prices for commercial (rack-mount) compute hardware.

(People actually came by my desk to see "the AI", the physical thing. It blows people's minds to realize AI doesn't need a data center, that it is just some computer parts sitting on a desk.)

The big hitter AI companies see the writing on the wall: open source models and local AI rigs will decimate the market for big AI in the next few years.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by snarf21 on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:59AM (#50208309)
I see this as the eventually end game. Open source models and local hardware are going to be the only path forward for companies as the AI providers move to a constant need to increase prices to drive profitability and stock price.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by nradov on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:28AM (#50208669)
There's no particular benefit to keeping the hardware local unless you have extraordinary security requirements. Over time most of the workloads will end up in data centers with the cheapest electricity and real estate.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by WarmWash on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:21AM (#50208585)
Just like on-prem killed cloud?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by wafflemaker on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:07AM (#50208403)
Can you post a picture? It sounds super cool. Was it a specialized hardware, or a consumer mobo with 3 PCIe slots?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by sandworm101 on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:25AM (#50208631)
It is just a Asrock motherboard and 1000w corsair power supply sitting on the bottom shelf of a "mining rack" open air case. The GPUs are attached with janky pci risers (the motherboard has four pci slots). I went with 5060s so I could stay with "short" 2-fan cards. The boot drive is a 500GB NVME with an encrypted 2tb NVME for storage, both on the mobo. I added four cheap fans and an oldschool (with a nob) fan controller to circulate air away from the GPUs. RAM options are maxed out at 4x16GB DDR4 sticks. Expansion options include adding a fourth 5060 and any number of SATA storage drives for content/models.

It, of course, runs on linux. I went with stock ubuntu so I could attach a screen and/or remote in to a full GUI. Having a full GUI also makes the rig more relatable to people who's eye glaze over when they see a terminal interface. "It's just a funny-looking desktop computer."

At 48GB of VRAM it can run basically any LLM I would want to download. Speeds are fine for a single user (Tok/s numbers change based on model/mode). But if I were using it for something like ComyfUI I would ditch the multiple 5060s and go with a 5070ti or 5080 as ComfyUI does better with a single powerful GPU.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by sebzim4500 on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:47AM (#50208149)
It's not locally hosted, as they say they will be accessing the same models but through a controlled system rather than on their own accounts
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by rmnwski on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:51AM (#50208192)
Interesting! How many token/s using what model are you getting out of it? And what are the other specs?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by vocram on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:37AM (#50208036)
Cool, but that sounds out of reach financially and technically for most people
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by flir on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:48AM (#50208159)
I don't think it will be the moment nvidia decide there's more money to be made in selling hardware for local-first inference. They'll do the training themselves and give the models away for free, like the toy in a box of cornflakes.

I'm sure cloud models will always have a slight edge but most tasks, most of the time, won't need that few extra percentage points of performance.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by antihipocrat on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:18AM (#50208539)
In a lot of sci-fi games an upgrade path for ship/cybernetic hardware is to replace the 'AI chip'. If the models performance ever start to plateau I can't wait to see AI models being baked into the chip itself.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by flir on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:59AM (#50211137)
Somebody did it... here we go: https://taalas.com/the-path-to-ubiquitous-ai/

Llama 3.1 8B baked into an ASIC. Expect 1/10th the power requirements, and other savings.

This is one of the reasons I don't believe the "it'll never be profitable" narrative. Just stop training when you think your model's "good enough" and move to custom silicon.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by sandworm101 on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:49AM (#50208171)
>> out of reach financially and technically for most people

Yes and no. I bought most of the hardware before the rampocalypse. It is just an AM4 chip on a nothing motherboard. Even today, 16GB 5060s are maybe 500 each. 64GB of DDR4 is another 500$. Add a power supply and pci risers and the basic parts could be purchased today for around 3000$... call it 4000$ all-in including my labor to get everything connected and talking to each other.

4000$ is money but is also almost nothing in the world of commercial IT purchases.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by logicchains on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:43AM (#50208106)
The article is about the Swedish Government, hopefully it wouldn't be out of reach for them.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by nayroclade on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:35AM (#50208004)
They're using Copilot, not locally-hosted AI.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by adelekeabdulgan on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:41AM (#50208088)
why then are they using Microsoft Copilot?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by pelorat on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:48AM (#50210952)
They have a business deal with Microsoft, they have no business deals with Anthropic or OpenAI. Employees were using their private subscriptions for work related tasks. I guess a strongly worded letter to the employees was not enough.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by przmk on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:45AM (#50208133)
Probably for the same reason as in most companies: Microsoft “assured” them that their data is safe… who cares about the Cloud Act, right?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by mr_mitm on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:49AM (#50208175)
Or: Microsoft has the data already, so why give the data to Anthropic and OpenAI, too?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by kevin_thibedeau on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:05AM (#50208382)
Microsoft will helpfully house that data in China. The others won't.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by igl on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:09AM (#50208425)
AWS and GCP also use local Chinese joint-venture partners to comply with Chinese regulations. Warm greetings to Moscow!
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by tonyhart7 on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:24AM (#50208622)
I rather trust MS than OpenAI or Antrophic

MS don't train your data

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by InsidiousWombat on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:59AM (#50209117)
MS barely trains on their own data given how shit copilot is even when dealing with MS stuff
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by javcasas on Friday October 23, 2026 @03:02PM (#50213828)
That is one of the best assurances that we have these days, that is how bad is the situation.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by nalekberov on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:51AM (#50208198)
I second this.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Roark66 on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:17AM (#50208526)
Same reason why the Fortune 200 company I'm currently doing some work for uses it. 70% discount on api costs compared with Anthropic, but access to the same Anthropic models.

Here every person gets $500 of copilot "credits" per month and that is a lot of use. $500 in Anthropic API gets used in 3 days.

The only disadvantage is that copilot cli has a very crappy and limited plugin system. For example a plugin can register a hook when a model calls a tool, but it's impossible to show a question to a user from such plugin.

Also it's "Autopilot" mode is designed to waste tokens. It injects things like "did you do absolutely everything you can about this? If not continue" and it's impossible to disable this without reverse engineering.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by adelekeabdulgan on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:51AM (#50208990)
I dont think opting for copilot on a cost basis fit into "ban".
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by refactor_master on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:56AM (#50209070)
Because nobody was ever fired from choosing Microsoft, and apparently this still holds for AI?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by erwald on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:49AM (#50208167)
The internal service is Microsoft Copilot, so this is probably just a really really dumb decision.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by toss1 on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:45AM (#50209945)
Yes, my first thought on reading the headline was: "the result will be they'll just ensure everyone uses some worse AI models".

So only mildly surprised on reading the article to read they are intentionally forcing them onto a specific worse model.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by laurentiurad on Friday October 23, 2026 @08:59AM (#50208304)
No, they use OpenAI with deployment in the Swedish data centers, which keeps inference local. Azure and GCP already offers this. No idea about Claude though.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by soco on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:07AM (#50208402)
Maybe it's what you meant, but let me underline that "local" does NOT mean under your control. As long it's with Microsoft, it will fall under the exactly same Cloud Act, so it can be shut off or copied over the pond on a whim.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by laurentiurad on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:27AM (#50208649)
You're right in theory, but it doesn't mean the US gov has unrestricted access to the data. There needs to be a legal process in place and there are safeguards that prevent accessing the data without that. This will happen to any company within US jurisdiction, as authorities can compel any provider to give them the required data.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by ffsm8 on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:41AM (#50208842)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act

You say that but that's not reflected in the law, and historically the us government has repeatedly created such sweeping surveillance systems. It's highly unlikely they only made it legal, and aren't using it sweepingly considering theyre on record doing so before it was legalized through the act before too...

And as that's international law... It's always kinda a coin toss whenever anyone actually pays it any attention. No real recourse if violated after all.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Vaushite on Friday October 23, 2026 @07:58PM (#50216991)
It doesn't matter what you think it needs to be, it matters what it is. And what it is is unlimited access to the US government.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by laurentiurad on Monday October 26, 2026 @01:40AM (#50239566)
Ok mr expert anything else you would like to share from your unlimited wisdom?
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by lucumo on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:00AM (#50208315)
> Sounds like they just want to maintain control over the outbound traffic which sounds rather sensible to me.

Yeah, and probably also forcing Zero Data Retention contracts on those service, instead of the consumer variants.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by theplumber on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:21AM (#50208578)
The contracts are really worthless if for example Trump wants to share the transcripts with Putin. At this point I don’t understand why governments would outsource any of their data services to 3rd parties (I.e outside of the EU). EU should establish an EU gov cloud program and just run the models themselves for all the EU countries(under license of course). They would probably get better bargaining power as well.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by abm53 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:27AM (#50210661)
You’ve leapt to the most extreme scenario to declare these contracts worthless.

Of course something like what you describe could happen. But under the central case, ensuring some privacy (with the ability to seek damages if breached) whilst still providing access to frontier models seems like a reasonable trade-off with a lot of value.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by java-man on Friday October 23, 2026 @12:14PM (#50211363)
Something like this already happened, many times.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by abm53 on Friday October 23, 2026 @12:21PM (#50211472)
That doesn’t change my argument.

I’m not saying it won’t happen, I’m saying it’s outweighed for most by other concerns.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by theplumber on Monday October 26, 2026 @01:28PM (#50247560)
>> But under the central case, ensuring some privacy (with the ability to seek damages if breached)

Pfff, that’s fairy land territory. There is no “could”. It’s happening as we speak. There is no fine to be paid as everything is behind a gag order. And if it’s not secret enough they do it in public anyway.i.e:

https://www.gadgetreview.com/microsoft-accused-of-sharing-du...

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by kube-system on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:39AM (#50210829)
When it comes to government data, contracts are often much stronger than you may be used to in the private sector, as mishandling the data can be criminal in nature. And data sovereignty requirements are common. This stuff is table stakes when selling to governments.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by petcat on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:41AM (#50208836)
Such a thing would require building data centers, i.e. industrial compute factories, but the EU is politically paralyzed from doing that because electricity is already outrageously expensive and there is just sort of a general popular outrage about the prospect of it.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Frieren on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:06AM (#50209253)
> the EU is politically paralyzed from doing that because electricity is already outrageously expensive and there is just sort of a general popular outrage about the prospect of it.

That is called democracy. Where the good of citizens is valued above what big corporations want. To push up pollution and power prices so big American tech companies can play with AI seems something that only a mad king would do.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by elmer2 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:37AM (#50210812)
If AI can find cancers faster than a human, which they've already proven, it's tradeoff that's worth it. It's only getting better and there's no telling how else it will benefit humanity.

Governments are always at least a decade behind when it comes to technology. Just don't complain when they have massive data breaches weekly, because they decided their principals were more important.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by InitialLastName on Friday October 23, 2026 @02:44PM (#50213591)
Your latter point belies the former: The the trade-off is only worth it if the data centers are used for purposes that benefit humanity. As yet, all we've seen them used for is wealth consolidation (through labor force reduction), mass surveillance, hacking, and other antisocial behaviors. There's no reason to believe those won't persist as the profit-maximizing use cases.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by philipallstar on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:11AM (#50210404)
It's not democracy. People don't want high energy prices. It's just their only voting options are all politicians who will give them high energy prices.

Big corporations are only big because they provide what customers want. They don't get to extract money from people's work, the way politicians can.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Kamq on Friday October 23, 2026 @12:09PM (#50211281)
To be fair, the current spike in prices definitely wasn't from anything europeans were able to vote on...
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Vaushite on Friday October 23, 2026 @07:40PM (#50216871)
Germany spent most of the last two decades shutting down nuclear power plants while blocking renewables because the politicians were sponsored by coal and gas companies.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Kamq on Saturday October 24, 2026 @02:26PM (#50223803)
That's part of sustained demand. The current spike seems to mostly be due to developments in Iran/the Straight of Hormuz.

This is, however, one of the reasons Germany is hit so hard by the current spike, I'll give you that.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by philipallstar on Sunday October 25, 2026 @03:08PM (#50234989)
It's also because they were addicted to Russian gas, and had to spend a fortune to wean themselves off it once the war was raging - though not before giving Russia a lot of gas money for the war - and converting its power plants to use LNG, which it ships in from the USA. That is a mad situation even before Iran.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Frieren on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:35AM (#50210770)
> Big corporations are only big because they provide what customers want.

Big corporations are big because they purchased all competitors. I recommend that you read the book Enshitification.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by xvector on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:14AM (#50209418)
Citizens are dumb though, the stupidity of the public killed nuclear. Not every decision needs to be democratic. Certainly not core infrastructure decisions.

It's also so easy to astroturf to manipulate public opinion. If I were China, I'd post so much anti-datacenter content everywhere in the West to gain a leg up in the race to superintelligence, because we are dumb enough to let our citizenry influence these decisions.

Imagine if we did the same thing for the nuclear race. ASI is winner-take-all, the first one to ASI can just lock everyone else out.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by ruaraidh on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:55AM (#50210130)
How definitive. I wish I had your certainty about literally anything.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by pixl97 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:52AM (#50211021)
There is no certainty, only probability.

The recent growth of LLMs is a black swan. Any future prediction you attempt to make has massive error bars.

Europe is in a very precarious position. If LLMs actually play out and lead to economic booms (I'm not saying for individuals, note that), the EU as a whole will get absolutely trounced economically and likely experience a shrinking economy for the next 20+ years along with a shrinking population in most of the member countries. They are so far behind on power and compute of the US and China there is not any current path to catching up.

The US itself is in a precarious position with the amount of debt it has accrued, it could be right that LLMs are what leads to future economic booms, but be so far in the hole it takes decades to recover.

China is really in the best place at the moment. Trying to build up power and compute as fast as it can, copying American innovation at the cheap, and having a mountain of US and EU money to spend on it.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by BubbleRings on Friday October 23, 2026 @12:04PM (#50211209)
Well, it doesn’t seem to be a time for dilly-dallying. IMO the danger and promise of AGI is through the roof, and the urgency is up there with them.

It’s time to decide your stand. But if you want to make an informed decision, you probably want to:

- Read up on the possible dangers until you get it,

- Learn about the advantages and breakthroughs already happening, and,

- Do some extensive work on a real project with at least an Opus-level LLM, so you really understand what an astounding new thing it is in our world.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Frieren on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:39AM (#50210826)
> Not every decision needs to be democratic.

So our technoverlords should decide for us? All these arguments to go back to the middle ages and feudal systems are based on the idea that we should be oppressed and our opinion should not count. That thinking destroys enlighten societies and bring inequality and poverty.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by pixl97 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:53AM (#50211045)
It would be a mistake to blindly assume that democracy can survive the technical future. The rise of democracy went hand in hand with the importance of skilled labor. If the need for labor dies, at least in my eyes, democracy dies with it.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by xvector on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:06PM (#50217441)
The Manhattan Project was not democratically confirmed. There are just some things you don't leave to the normies.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by interactivecode on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:57AM (#50210160)
If I was a American oligarch who became president due to my ties to social media platforms and influence I would also advocate european governments use American AI services.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by consumer451 on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:54AM (#50209028)
There are no data centers in the EU?

https://gcping.com/

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by pixl97 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:55AM (#50211065)
Don't look at data centers by number, look at data centers by compute. The US has somewhere between 100 and 1000x more compute.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by consumer451 on Saturday October 24, 2026 @07:56PM (#50226741)
Yeah, that's fair. Thanks.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by InsidiousWombat on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:58AM (#50209108)
data center being in EU matters little when it is owned by US company that US govt can just tell "gimme that data"
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by consumer451 on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:07AM (#50209279)
Sure, even in colocation cases, Google LLC owns all the data, but we certainly do have DCs in the EU.

Now, do we have DCs with "temporary gas generators" operating 24/7 that were thrown together in the last 2 years? Probably not.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by myrmidon on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:19AM (#50210537)
How is electricity outrageously expensive? We get power in the most flexible of forms (electrical) delivered directly to our homes at a rate that no human in history would have ever performed voluntary physical labor for (the equivalent of thousands of horses or people for a few hundred bucks an hour, assuming <500$/MWh). Even complete energy autarky has become feasible for private individuals if you are willing to invest.

Just because power used to be even cheaper in the recent past, by doing non-sustainable shit and pushing all the resulting costs onto others/the future does not mean that was ever appropriate, necessary or desirable, and everyone advocating for chasing that model is a greedy, selfish asshole in my view.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by roosterIllusi0n on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:30AM (#50209719)
AI is local. They need to invest in procuring hardware, which means making it themselves if that is the only way to get a card in every computer that can do the job.

If cloud based AI is any good, they will sell versions that can be hosted locally just like every other service since the beginning of the internet.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by pixl97 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:57AM (#50211097)
> They need to invest in procuring hardware,

Ooops, too late.

I think one of the AI 2027 videos covered this pretty well. EU cannot make nor really afford the compute they need to buy. All they really have the ability to control is UV machines for making masks which is going to get politically hot very soon.

The US and China have claimed all production for years to come.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by trilogic on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:19AM (#50210532)
The rise of HugstonOne.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by bartread on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:54AM (#50211058)
I think with Anthropic the only way you get control of data residency is to use their models via another platform, so I tend to agree with you.

IIRC OpenAI do offer data residency controls but only to enterprise customers and subject to minimum spend.