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Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Frieren on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:06AM (#50209253)
> the EU is politically paralyzed from doing that because electricity is already outrageously expensive and there is just sort of a general popular outrage about the prospect of it.

That is called democracy. Where the good of citizens is valued above what big corporations want. To push up pollution and power prices so big American tech companies can play with AI seems something that only a mad king would do.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by elmer2 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:37AM (#50210812)
If AI can find cancers faster than a human, which they've already proven, it's tradeoff that's worth it. It's only getting better and there's no telling how else it will benefit humanity.

Governments are always at least a decade behind when it comes to technology. Just don't complain when they have massive data breaches weekly, because they decided their principals were more important.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by InitialLastName on Friday October 23, 2026 @02:44PM (#50213591)
Your latter point belies the former: The the trade-off is only worth it if the data centers are used for purposes that benefit humanity. As yet, all we've seen them used for is wealth consolidation (through labor force reduction), mass surveillance, hacking, and other antisocial behaviors. There's no reason to believe those won't persist as the profit-maximizing use cases.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by philipallstar on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:11AM (#50210404)
It's not democracy. People don't want high energy prices. It's just their only voting options are all politicians who will give them high energy prices.

Big corporations are only big because they provide what customers want. They don't get to extract money from people's work, the way politicians can.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Kamq on Friday October 23, 2026 @12:09PM (#50211281)
To be fair, the current spike in prices definitely wasn't from anything europeans were able to vote on...
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Vaushite on Friday October 23, 2026 @07:40PM (#50216871)
Germany spent most of the last two decades shutting down nuclear power plants while blocking renewables because the politicians were sponsored by coal and gas companies.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Kamq on Saturday October 24, 2026 @02:26PM (#50223803)
That's part of sustained demand. The current spike seems to mostly be due to developments in Iran/the Straight of Hormuz.

This is, however, one of the reasons Germany is hit so hard by the current spike, I'll give you that.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by philipallstar on Sunday October 25, 2026 @03:08PM (#50234989)
It's also because they were addicted to Russian gas, and had to spend a fortune to wean themselves off it once the war was raging - though not before giving Russia a lot of gas money for the war - and converting its power plants to use LNG, which it ships in from the USA. That is a mad situation even before Iran.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Frieren on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:35AM (#50210770)
> Big corporations are only big because they provide what customers want.

Big corporations are big because they purchased all competitors. I recommend that you read the book Enshitification.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by xvector on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:14AM (#50209418)
Citizens are dumb though, the stupidity of the public killed nuclear. Not every decision needs to be democratic. Certainly not core infrastructure decisions.

It's also so easy to astroturf to manipulate public opinion. If I were China, I'd post so much anti-datacenter content everywhere in the West to gain a leg up in the race to superintelligence, because we are dumb enough to let our citizenry influence these decisions.

Imagine if we did the same thing for the nuclear race. ASI is winner-take-all, the first one to ASI can just lock everyone else out.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by ruaraidh on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:55AM (#50210130)
How definitive. I wish I had your certainty about literally anything.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by pixl97 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:52AM (#50211021)
There is no certainty, only probability.

The recent growth of LLMs is a black swan. Any future prediction you attempt to make has massive error bars.

Europe is in a very precarious position. If LLMs actually play out and lead to economic booms (I'm not saying for individuals, note that), the EU as a whole will get absolutely trounced economically and likely experience a shrinking economy for the next 20+ years along with a shrinking population in most of the member countries. They are so far behind on power and compute of the US and China there is not any current path to catching up.

The US itself is in a precarious position with the amount of debt it has accrued, it could be right that LLMs are what leads to future economic booms, but be so far in the hole it takes decades to recover.

China is really in the best place at the moment. Trying to build up power and compute as fast as it can, copying American innovation at the cheap, and having a mountain of US and EU money to spend on it.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by BubbleRings on Friday October 23, 2026 @12:04PM (#50211209)
Well, it doesn’t seem to be a time for dilly-dallying. IMO the danger and promise of AGI is through the roof, and the urgency is up there with them.

It’s time to decide your stand. But if you want to make an informed decision, you probably want to:

- Read up on the possible dangers until you get it,

- Learn about the advantages and breakthroughs already happening, and,

- Do some extensive work on a real project with at least an Opus-level LLM, so you really understand what an astounding new thing it is in our world.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by Frieren on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:39AM (#50210826)
> Not every decision needs to be democratic.

So our technoverlords should decide for us? All these arguments to go back to the middle ages and feudal systems are based on the idea that we should be oppressed and our opinion should not count. That thinking destroys enlighten societies and bring inequality and poverty.

Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by pixl97 on Friday October 23, 2026 @11:53AM (#50211045)
It would be a mistake to blindly assume that democracy can survive the technical future. The rise of democracy went hand in hand with the importance of skilled labor. If the need for labor dies, at least in my eyes, democracy dies with it.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by xvector on Friday October 23, 2026 @09:06PM (#50217441)
The Manhattan Project was not democratically confirmed. There are just some things you don't leave to the normies.
Re:Swedish government offices to ban ChatGPT and Claude by interactivecode on Friday October 23, 2026 @10:57AM (#50210160)
If I was a American oligarch who became president due to my ties to social media platforms and influence I would also advocate european governments use American AI services.