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Re:I'm in a Meeting by alexpotato on Friday October 09, 2026 @10:18AM (#50020900)
At a past firm I managed a team of SREs.

This was very much a "fire drill all the time" kind of place (vs "slow and steady"). The team came to me and said:

"Alex, we keep getting bombarded by meeting requests and have no focus time."

My solution was to create a weekly "team meeting" from 8am to 11am every Friday and invite all of them to it.

They loved it!

I mentioned to them that making a meeting like this was something they could have done themselves but they responded:

"It carries more weight coming from you. Plus, if someone tries to schedule over it, they are more likely to think twice and/or I can say 'Hey, you have to talk to Alex.' "

Re:I'm in a Meeting by glenngillen on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:24PM (#50022829)
yep, did the same for my team at one place "[IMPORTANT] CUSTOMER OUTAGE" (or something similar).

We had a publicly viewable calendar policy. And I couldn't believe the audacity of people in other areas to take it upon themselves to just book over the top of existing meetings because they had decided their meeting was more important. And I'm not talking a group meeting where it's hard to find a gap that works for everyone, these were essentially 1:1 meetings where the organizer was someone with a little more seniority. No polite ask/DM first if it's ok, or a note in the invite to explain. Just see "focus time - no meetings" or something else _they_ deemed not important and they'd schedule it in that block and assume the IC wouldn't challenge their authority.

So had to play them at their own game to give my team their time back. The meeting was as much as an invite to them to challenge my authority as their previous attempts were. Conveniently it worked and nobody would book over my meeting. I do not miss working for larger companies.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by roryirvine on Friday October 09, 2026 @01:30PM (#50023908)
It depends. In the situation where an Ops team has become stuck in firefighting mode, that's something which is often painfully obvious to the rest of the org. And, in that case, it's possible to make a good case for deliberately reorienting towards strategic rather tactical work.

Blocking out, say, 2x2 hours each day for "problem management" (fixing root causes of recurrent issues) becomes easy in that situation, with no subterfuge needed. Alternatively, you can nominate part of the team to be either on-call or entirely dedicated to incidents, shielding everyone else who can be dedicated to strategic work full-time (obviously, you need to do regular rotations).

The team themselves often need help in adjusting to that (firefighting can make you feel like a hero so, although stressful, it can be addictive). Blocking out specific timeslots can be helpful from this point of view, too - incidents often seem a lot more manageable if they're not crashing in on top of you at unpredictable intervals.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by bb88 on Friday October 09, 2026 @02:53PM (#50025098)
My favorite example of the heroic engineers are "helicopter" engineers who fly in, "solve" the problem at the expense of something else being made much worse. Usually getting the accolades of upper management.

Then the heroic engineers get promoted and then learn that they can use their weight to shove others around. Meanwhile the ICs that had to do fire drills to make crap happen don't typically get anything out of it, other than watching some manager that shoved them around get promoted.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by gregoryl on Friday October 09, 2026 @10:09PM (#50028828)
I often call them by their title, "Staff Engineer" ;)
Re:I'm in a Meeting by meristem on Saturday October 10, 2026 @05:20PM (#50037307)
Holistic problem management < Make this problem disappear today

:/

Re:I'm in a Meeting by teiferer on Friday October 09, 2026 @03:55PM (#50025836)
But then why do a rather passive-aggressive calendar booking instead of first pinging folks on chat and asking "hey we really need your help asap but there is no gap in the calendar, could we work sth out"? No matter seniority.

To me this seems like a matter of company culture that is set from the top. If CTO and VP level act like that, it trickles down and that tone becomes the norm. In either way.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by hluska on Friday October 09, 2026 @04:43PM (#50026353)
How does it depend? It’s remarkably easy to send someone a message and ask rather than just scheduling a meeting over top. It’s a basic social skill and basic courtesy.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by tyrabound on Friday October 09, 2026 @10:01PM (#50028773)
Or you simply auto-decline conflicting invites
Re:I'm in a Meeting by bazmattaz on Saturday October 10, 2026 @04:16AM (#50030818)
When someone books over their meeting i don’t understand why people don’t just decline the meeting with a note saying “this clashes with a meeting already in my diary”. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with this and puts the onus back on the person to find a bigger time
Re:I'm in a Meeting by pflenker on Saturday October 10, 2026 @07:07AM (#50031711)
I don’t even bother adding the note. People booked over it, they know it clashes with another meeting. No need to tell them the obvious.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by vrighter on Monday October 12, 2026 @06:49AM (#50054436)
I just press decline. If they ask, I say because you must have made a mistake. I was clearly not available at that time slot.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by wjnc on Sunday October 11, 2026 @12:46PM (#50045139)
How do you expect a hierarchy to function? Should the assistant to the SVP ask the managers to let the employees reschedule? That’s like a lot of bureaucracy for exactly the same flexibility.

(Am open to better approaches though! Not saying I particularly enjoy last minute urgent meetings you can’t say no to. But most often those are important and with people whose agendas need more care than mine.)

Re:I'm in a Meeting by glenngillen on Saturday October 17, 2026 @05:44PM (#50135429)
shadow power dynamics is the answer. Someone with a title of "Regional VP of Sales" thinks they have a lot of power and influence and will exert that to get whatever they want. An IC engineer or product manager understandably wants to avoid the inevitable conflict and potential escalation should they refuse to attend. I agree they should just decline. I also understand the reality is more complicated because they know a decline isn't actually the end and the anxiety about what would follow can itself feel exhausting when it happens so often. So they choose to pick their battles/take the short-term path of least resistance.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by mikemarsh on Friday October 09, 2026 @10:47AM (#50021282)
This is brilliant, excellent example of the ideal of "management as shielding devs from higher-level corporate shenanigans" in action.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by antoineMoPa on Friday October 09, 2026 @11:46AM (#50022226)
I tried to embody this ideal when I managed a team, but realized shielding too much meant less connection of members with the wider org and too much dependency on me for context and such. Overall, this meant we were a lower value team for the org.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by ambicapter on Friday October 09, 2026 @11:52AM (#50022310)
> too much dependency on me for context and such

If you're management, that's literally your job. Synthesize and communicate the important context bits.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by rustyminnow on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:28PM (#50022916)
Sometimes. When my manager went on sabbatical I had to reach out directly to other teams. We got so much done with that higher bandwidth, unmediated communication. OTOH my boss's boss was constantly breathing down my neck for status updates. There's a balance to everything I suppose.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by jvanderbot on Friday October 09, 2026 @01:22PM (#50023769)
Your boss forgot his other most important job: Being a communications router, not a communications bottleneck. There are many most important jobs for bosses.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by 0xbadcafebee on Friday October 09, 2026 @08:31PM (#50028250)
That makes the manager a bottleneck. The manager should shield their direct reports from harm, but also enable independent cross-team communication/collaboration. Otherwise many new problems arise.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by atoav on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:17PM (#50022720)
Well there is a balance. For certain things it is natural, that you are the one giving them the information. For other things that are much smaller and much more a out generally being aware how others departments deal with certain tasks it can be enough to pick one "ambassador" that maybe does small projects with them or goes to a short weekly meeting or something.

It really can help an organization if departments are not siloed off. But sending everybody into every meeting is a recipe for not getting anything done.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by mikemarsh on Saturday October 10, 2026 @03:20PM (#50036198)
Yeah, like anything it's easy to go far in one direction or the other: for some organizations the opposite approach may be needed.

Maybe "filtering" is a better term than "shielding", since the latter assumes an adversarial relationship between "devs" and "suits" at the outset, and the terms we use even to think to ourselves about these things influence how we ultimately behave.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by newswasboring on Friday October 09, 2026 @06:45PM (#50027526)
Maybe it's not the same scale, but I recently came across this passage in Cryptonomicon which I find applies to a lot of middle management.

> The extreme formality with which he addresses these officers carries an important subtext: your problem, sir, is deciding what you want me to do, and my problem, sir, is doing it. My gung-ho posture says that once you give the order I'm not going to bother you with any of the details--and your half of the bargain is you had better stay on your side of the line, sir, and not bother me with any of the chickenshit politics that you have to deal with for a living. The implied responsibility placed upon the officer's shoulders by the subordinate's unhesitating willingness to follow orders is a withering burden to any officer with half a brain, and Shaftoe has more than once seen seasoned noncoms reduce green lieutenants to quivering blobs simply by standing before them and agreeing, cheerfully, to carry out their orders.

Again, this is definitely not this extreme in corporate culture but this is exactly the kind of division of labor I see with most successful teams.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by psd1 on Saturday October 10, 2026 @05:57AM (#50031299)
Independently, that exact excerpt occurred to me, too! Stephenson is full of observances. Sometimes i think I've learned more from fiction than non-fiction writing.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by catketch on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:18PM (#50022749)
I've been fully remote fo a long time now, but I used to do this with my team and other colleagues. We'd book a conference room and create a 'meeting', but it was just a bunch of us quietly working on our laptops in the conference room (no audio, no calls was the rule), uninterrupted for a few hours at a go. It was quite popular.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by mlhpdx on Friday October 09, 2026 @11:10AM (#50021615)
I have done the same. FWIW, a 2-3 hour block seems to be the sweet spot, as far as keeping it off the radar goes. Ironically, having multiple a week doesn’t seem to raise an eyebrow.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by notesinthefield on Friday October 09, 2026 @11:10AM (#50021606)
Our product security and engineering teams do the same thing to defend against the project managers - an 8am-2pm product sync every monday and friday. Its worked for years now.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by atoav on Friday October 09, 2026 @12:12PM (#50022638)
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Re:I'm in a Meeting by rdiddly on Friday October 09, 2026 @01:56PM (#50024300)
I've done this, but IMO one of the nicest things about it is that people have the option to use it as an actual meeting place. It's like taking over an open conference room where people can wander in & out at will -- except invited members of the team are the only ones who can actually get in. Do your collaboration and then wander off, or just take your headphones off. There have been many times I've joined the meeting and there are two or three people in there just silently working. They just wanted to be near each other and hide from everybody else! Adorable.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by xyzzy_plugh on Friday October 09, 2026 @02:32PM (#50024814)
I once worked on a team of SREs where the workload was so atrocious that we had HR make up new virtual employees Team On-call Primary and Team On-call Secondary and, other than the manager, they were the only accessible team members. We gave these virtual employees their own laptops and phones. When your shift ended, or you needed a break, you handed the gear to the next guy. We didn't have a formal schedule because it was common to get burned out in just three or four days, or if it was a rare calm period you might hang on to the laptop a bit longer until you got a chance to get properly throttled.

It worked exceptionally well because then the other employees were unable to individually bother team members. The team name in the HR directory was something vague and reported to the skip level, so unless you were in the know, we were totally invisible to the rest of the org. For some context we were keeping many millions of dollars of daily transactions afloat and it was not unusual to receive death threats from business folks when they couldn't do their jobs.

I don't miss it remotely, but I sometimes miss being a member of an invisible force with superuser privileges, with the blessing to unfuck anything we saw fit.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by hatthew on Friday October 09, 2026 @03:55PM (#50025829)
> we were keeping many millions of dollars of daily transactions afloat and it was not unusual to receive death threats from business folks when they couldn't do their jobs

That's crazy. My team works on a part of a system handling several million $/day, and if something goes wrong then everyone's chill about it. Lost $100k revenue? Happens. We'll have the comms team send out something about it. The most heated things got was a time that a manager said something along the lines of "yeah it'll be bad if we can't roll out this thing in the next 2 hours." If I got a death threat that's an instant email to HR.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by Aurornis on Friday October 09, 2026 @03:03PM (#50025209)
> My solution was to create a weekly "team meeting" from 8am to 11am every Friday and invite all of them to it.

I've been part of these and the focus time is nice.

It doesn't address the root problem, though. If engineers are being bombarded with meetings, those meetings just get squished into the afternoon time slot.

The secondary problem was that some people started treating the blocked-out time as their only work time. Once that dedicated block came to an end, they mentally switched out of work mode and were not going to do any more work until the next morning. Before all of the "nobody can do more than 3 hours of good work per day" replies, this was a real problem because people also used this time for discussion things with each other on the team, actual team meetings, and various things other than heads-down work, leaving less than the allotted time for actually working. It was also a problem when something would come up at 2:30PM and the person responsible would defer it to next morning's work session instead of taking an hour to do the work. This might all sound like minor annoyances and it was only some people doing it, but the theme repeated itself so much that many of us soured on the idea over time.

The bigger problem was that it didn't address the real issue. Every situation is different and in my case the manager was part of the problem. His solution to everything and answer to every question was to get two people talking. He thought of himself as a switchboard, routing people to other people on our team.

Blocking out meeting time helped a little, but what we really needed was an active manager who was handling communications himself and only bringing the team in when needed. We also needed him to have our backs when we declined meetings or asked if they could be an e-mail.

The healthier managers I've had take a constant, active interest in keeping their teams' meeting workloads down and rooting out interruptions and distractions. They also empower their team to forward meeting requests to the manager to evaluate and ask that external requests at least cc them for visibility. Every time I've had a manager like that, I haven't felt the need for blocked out focus time.

Re:I'm in a Meeting by Lammy on Friday October 09, 2026 @04:40PM (#50026317)
I do this to make sure I get time for lunch— I mean, time for Daily Nutrition Sync lol
Re:I'm in a Meeting by redsparrow on Friday October 09, 2026 @06:37PM (#50027455)
At a previous company I had a one hour "Eat or Die" in my calendar every day at noon. It worked pretty well, at least people would usually check before booking over it.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by sevenseacat on Sunday October 11, 2026 @08:37AM (#50042652)
I had to do this on a previous project, otherwise people would just book meetings right until they closed (timezone differences...)
Re:I'm in a Meeting by AnotherGoodName on Friday October 09, 2026 @06:42PM (#50027502)
We used to schedule a ‘16yr planning’ meeting for our friday afternoon whiskey tasting and were once praised by an exec for our diligence and forethought
Re:I'm in a Meeting by tmsite on Friday October 09, 2026 @08:23PM (#50028218)
That reminds me of the monthly PSMB Load Balancing meeting a few of the old BIG-IP data plane folks used to have many years ago. (Peat Smoke and Malted Barley.) RIP, Jack.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by russellbeattie on Friday October 09, 2026 @09:08PM (#50028474)
That's some cute management jiujitsu there, scheduling "focus time" two hours before anyone normally gets to work. Morning people absolutely kill me.

I try to warn junior devs about people like you who "have their back".

> "They loved it!"

No they didn't. Especially if you were in the "meeting".

Re:I'm in a Meeting by Tanjreeve on Saturday October 10, 2026 @11:35AM (#50033951)
My understanding was the point was the time was blocked out Not that they actually had to go to anything.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by Perepiska on Saturday October 10, 2026 @05:11AM (#50031069)
Actually it is your job as a boss to protect your team from external sources of noise and distraction.
Re:I'm in a Meeting by j45 on Sunday October 11, 2026 @07:13PM (#50049034)
Meeting free days are as important as meeting (work through things we can't work through on a keyboard or call days).

Having a quick standup for blockers/needs/etc depends on how people interpret doing that kind of meeting.