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Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by aurareturn on Monday August 24, 2026 @12:47AM (#49415266)
Hidden door handles, button open doors when inside the car, only touch screen buttons, rear red turn signal lights.

Reverse these trends. They all suck and unsafe.

Ok the rear red turn signal lights were already a trend in the US before Tesla. But please reverse this too. It's very difficult to see blinking red lights on the freeway when it's sunny. For you people out there who buy cars with red blinking signal lights, I hate you.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by versteegen on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:30AM (#49415503)
> Ok the rear red turn signal lights were already a trend in the US before Tesla. But please reverse this too.

I'm surprised. But it shouldn't be up to Tesla; it's illegal and they never get on the road in countries with proper regulations.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by bestouff on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:04AM (#49415716)
You will never see those in the EU.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by bigfatkitten on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:36AM (#49415924)
Australia generally follows EU for vehicle safety regs, and red turn signals were banned for new vehicles in 1973.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by Zanfa on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:21AM (#49415828)
I wish. Never used to really see any until recently. Looks like a brake light malfunction if you're not expecting it.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by Bimos on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:41AM (#49415957)
Never see this in China and didn't know it exists before.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by spockz on Monday August 24, 2026 @05:50AM (#49417431)
We do see them here occasionally on US import cars. (NL) Tend to be older models like those long and wide models with benches in front and back and very loose suspension.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by ndsipa_pomu on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:29PM (#49423159)
Here in the UK, older cars are often exempt from various safety standards. Otherwise, recent imported vehicles have to comply with e.g. headlights dipping the wrong way which is common as we drive on the left.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by xtiansimon on Monday August 24, 2026 @07:48AM (#49418387)
> “…with proper regulations.”

Enforcement, no?

NY state has 30% tint law, but my Uber driver last night was more than that.

I’ve heard tint being enforced with other violations, but i believe window tint analyzers are in short supply or costly, and they have to share. Which leads to longer roadside detainments.

What makes them so difficult to test?

https://dmv.ny.gov/inspections/tinted-windows

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by OptionOfT on Monday August 24, 2026 @09:18PM (#49427992)
I'm surprised NY allows tinting of the whole front windshield. Here in AZ we're bound by the (stupid) AS-1 line. Tinting here would help more than in NY.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by xtiansimon on Tuesday August 25, 2026 @07:33AM (#49432158)
It’s cultural; style over function—-unless the function is more traffic deaths (for which I have no numbers of traffic deaths involving tinted windows, I freely admit. I have had uncomfortable interactions with tinted cars on the streets and highways, so they have earned my permanent enmity).

The trouble is both the cops and bully boys like tinted windows the same as acculturated Captain America and the Red Skull.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by OptionOfT on Monday August 24, 2026 @09:14PM (#49427965)
> I'm surprised. But it shouldn't be up to Tesla; it's illegal and they never get on the road in countries with proper regulations.

The USA doesn't mandate red turn signals. They can be red or amber. Plenty of BMWs with amber turn signals. Although the current one has red turn signals.

I'd say on modern cars it's less bad, the turn signal is usually a strip, and the brake light is larger, joined with a 3rd brake light.

But on one of those old Ford vans, with incandescent red brake/turn signals with no/often broken 3rd light: you have to wait a second before you can determine if the person is braking / indicating.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by sudahtigabulan on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:27AM (#49415869)
When you can only see half of a car, the red turn signal lights also make it impossible to tell quickly whether the car is about to get into your lane or the driver's foot is on the brakes.

This situation can happen both in traffic or in a row of parked vehicles.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by boomlinde on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:10AM (#49415759)
The whole thing would be a good example of dismantling Chesterton's fence, if the advantages of the traditional design of these things weren't obvious.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by dist-epoch on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:42AM (#49415965)
No it wouldn't, because there is no obvious fence here.

You can't call any change "dismantling Chesterton's fence" - "Windows made the corners of the windows round, users hated it, obvious example of Chesterton's fence"

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by boomlinde on Monday August 24, 2026 @03:31AM (#49416320)
Having visible door handles is a safety feature. Having clear turn indicators with a distinct color is a safety feature. You have simply not examined what the fence is there for.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by Freedom2 on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:56AM (#49415680)
There's commenters here who genuinely believe the hidden door handles have a non-negligible effect on the aerodynamics of these cars.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by bdhdhduuyd on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:25AM (#49415846)
A 0.5-1% efficiency gain is not much.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by otherme123 on Monday August 24, 2026 @03:36AM (#49416349)
There are traditional door handles that are practically flush with the rest of the car (semi-hidden is the name I believe). If you are after aerodynamics, you could copy the gas door / cover from any car after 1980.

There are bigger losers in car aerodynamics. The worse one is the frontal section, that current models seem to ignore, making bigger and bigger cars almost for the sake of it. Then they have forgotten parts like the underside, that could be covered with something light and smooth for decent gains, but are instead an aerodynamic nightmare because nobody is looking there.

There are cars with Cd around 0.2 (Xiaomi SU7, Lucid Air, Tesla S, Hyundai Ioniq...). The Mercedes A-Class Saloon since 2018 and BMW 5 have a Cd of 0.22, and they look like normal cars, with normal door handles and normal mirrors, but carefully designs of the underside, air around the wheels and rear drag reduction. The Mercedes include active aero around the engine, shutting the grill when cooling is not needed. But they keep selling SUVS with Cd over 0.35, up to 0.45 with flushed door handles "for the aero". Please.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by 6510 on Monday August 24, 2026 @03:23AM (#49416255)
You'd want things to go fast after the crash too. I've had fascinating conversation with people about safety measures in general. Many prefer to imagine it wont happen. Inspections are still real. They cant imagine them away.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by wilg on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:32AM (#49415519)
Tesla several years ago returned to amber turn signal lights the US (and always had them outside the US).
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by userbinator on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:51AM (#49415643)
Agree, except the red turn signals --- they've been the standard here for at least half a century...

very difficult to see blinking red lights on the freeway when it's sunny.

Perhaps because they're too small and the LEDs are not diffused enough.

Red means Rear, and white means front, which is why reversing lights are white and front turn signals are (should be) yellow.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by Bimos on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:43AM (#49415975)
> Red means Rear, and white means front

And yellow means sides then? Make sense to me.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by RachelF on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:36AM (#49415925)
One more trend I'd like to reverse is the always on cellular data connection, reporting back to the car manufacturer where you are and how you are driving.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by spockz on Monday August 24, 2026 @05:52AM (#49417445)
Always on cellular data is fine, and useful for many things. They should just stop gathering and transmitting the data to the manufacturer. Cars above a certain price point need a tracker to be installed in order to get insured as well. Also not necessarily a privacy problem.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by pudgywalsh on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:01AM (#49415332)
Allowing Silicon Valley dorks to redefine the established UIs of cars was one of the biggest mistakes of the last 10 years. Ultimately it's cost shaving, but it spread like a cancer to other manufacturers owing mostly to a TikTok-brained customer base (to their own detriment).

It's one of the reasons I refuse to own a new car. Zero reason to hide critical controls behind a touch screen.

My daily driver has all tactile controls. I can operate wipers, climate, radio, and all critical functions blindfolded.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by frollogaston on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:19AM (#49415445)
It's probably because they started mandating reverse cameras. Which is great, but any cars without screens suddenly had them. At that point, it was probably cheaper to put the rest of the functionality on the screen.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by roncesvalles on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:40AM (#49415568)
The reason is cost savings. It's cheaper to modify software UI than it is to modify hardware UI.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by pmontra on Monday August 24, 2026 @03:41AM (#49416395)
Hardware controls might cost more to develop (do they?) but on the other side they don't get any modification during the life of a car. No need to spend money in updates. Given the long history of those controls they are well understood by the car maker and by the car owners.

All my cars have had basically the same controls for turn indicators, lights and wipers. The variations are minimal.

I got two cars with cruise control and I had to read the manual once per car (better not to experiment at high speed.) I probably just poked with the levers to understand how to control the radio. However it took me four years to finally make my phone play audio over Bluetooth (calls were OK.) Everybody's else phone was fine. I finally found the right incantation of taps on the touch screen. Luckily very few functionalities must be accessed via the touchscreen, most notably adjusting the time and resetting the tire pressure sensors.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by andrekandre on Monday August 24, 2026 @03:31AM (#49416316)

  > cheaper to modify software UI
at some point, beyond aesthetics, sometimes a function is done and doesn't need tinkering anymore.... especially in something like a car that is 2 tonnes of steel and metal...
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by cicko on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:40AM (#49415953)
There's no need to modify the hardware UI. It worked fine for decades.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by spockz on Monday August 24, 2026 @05:59AM (#49417505)
I heard a very simple explanation from a car engineer involved with setting up the factory pipelines. Each button has a limited life time, each button has a particular chance of being doa, or a particular chance of being fitted badly, some fail prematurely.

All of this leads to an increase in “failures” in seperate steps of the manufacturing pipeline, assembly of dashboard, assembly of car, after the car is completed, after it is shipped to dealer, and after the new owner picks it up, during the lifetime of the car. Each of those moments occurs a significantly increased cost of replacing the button.

By simply removing buttons and knobs, this source of failure rate goes down and it appears cheaper. It is also the reason behind going from 4 buttons for the windows to 3 (left, right, and a toggle for front/rear)

According to him the monetary savings were significant enough to proceed with it. Personally, I wish they wouldn’t. But I believed the numbers.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by hulitu on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:44PM (#49423359)
> Each button has a limited life time

A button for a car is designed and tested to last 10 years. Software on the other hand...

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by mrtesthah on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:22AM (#49415455)
This is ultimately a matter of corruption and a failure of government to regulate.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by nxpnsv on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:28AM (#49415492)
Reminder: You shouldn’t drive blindfolded, no matter how well you know your controls.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by boomlinde on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:13AM (#49415778)
You shouldn't drive blindfolded, but have you given any thought to where your eyes should be pointed while driving?
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by nxpnsv on Monday August 24, 2026 @02:36AM (#49415927)
I agree with the point, i hate the touch screens, and i think you should be able to control almost everything without taking your eyes off the road. The blindfold made me think of some david blaine stunt.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by dzhiurgis on Monday August 24, 2026 @05:18AM (#49417216)
Ironically the most hated car features right now (speed limit warning and lane departure alerts) are designed by government.

In fact they are hated so much people are deliberately buying older less safe cars instead.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by hulitu on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:46PM (#49423394)
> Ironically the most hated car features right now (speed limit warning and lane departure alerts) are designed by government.

That's what car manufacturers make you think. Who do you think it (paid) lobby for those features to be mandatory in new cars ?

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by maxerickson on Monday August 24, 2026 @08:38AM (#49418917)
BMW launched their unified iDrive controls in 2001 (to much controversy).
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by hulitu on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:28PM (#49423148)
> Allowing Silicon Valley dorks to redefine the established UIs of... was one of the biggest mistakes of the last 10 years.

Fully agree

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by vatsachak on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:00AM (#49415324)
It's almost like an EV should be regular car with a battery
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by frollogaston on Monday August 24, 2026 @01:27AM (#49415487)
At least Tesla was the first to make an EV that looked normal on the outside.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by rsynnott on Monday August 24, 2026 @03:09AM (#49416143)
... Huh? The Nissan Leaf and Renault ZoE looked fairly normal. And the eGolf looked _so_ normal that people didn't realise VW made electric cars. (I'm fairly sure that the reason the id3 and 4 look a bit weird is a direct reaction to that.) Only seriously weird-looking early (current generation, excluding oddities from the 80s) electric car I can think of is the BMW id3.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by frollogaston on Monday August 24, 2026 @03:15AM (#49416180)
Gen 1 leaf looked super weird like it was making sure you know it's an EV, never saw a Renault ZoE in real life but it looks like the same kind of weird, eGolf looked normal but was after the Tesla Model S. And the Tesla Roadster predated the Leaf, but I'm not counting it because nobody really cared about Tesla until the S.

Before the S also were the Volt, Fisker Karma, and GM EV1.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by ZeroGravitas on Monday August 24, 2026 @04:11AM (#49416628)
It's commonly accepted that the Leaf Gen 1 was weird because it was an EV, but in reality it's weird because it was a new generation of Japanese design. There are non-EV models Nissan released in Japan around the same time with the same design language that you could combine together to get something that looked like a gen 1 leaf, like the front of the first gen Nissan Note.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by antisthenes on Monday August 24, 2026 @09:33AM (#49419546)
No more or less weird than some other Nissan cars, like the Juke for example, or the Cube (not very popular in the US).
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by rsynnott on Monday August 24, 2026 @10:38AM (#49420439)
Oh, sorry, yeah, the eUp (looked just like an Up) was the first modern VW one, not the eGolf. Design shown off in 2010, full production in 2013. Again, looked just like an Up.

I’d say a first gen Leaf looked fairly typical of small Nissan cars from that era, tbh; all their small cars looked a bit like that. And a Zoe looked pretty much the same as a Clio of like era. Interestingly, the Renault 5, their new electric car in the size category, is self-consciously weird-looking (you can get it in bright green as a standard option!), and seems to be doing very well.

Apart from BMW, the trend has been for electric cars to get more visibly weird/different, not less.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by jerlam on Monday August 24, 2026 @10:54AM (#49420666)
> Apart from BMW, the trend has been for electric cars to get more visibly weird/different, not less.

Yup, also see the weird styling decisions on the Toyota Prius and other hybrid cars that shared bodies with non-hybrids.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by hulitu on Monday August 24, 2026 @04:31PM (#49425467)
> Tesla was the first to make an EV that looked normal

Your definition of normal makes me suspicious. I thought GM were "the first to make an EV that looked normal". Tesla was the first to make a "software defined vehicle", 10 years before this became mainstream. Tesla is the Google of EVs: the UX sucks, but everybody wants to copy it.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by frollogaston on Monday August 24, 2026 @08:15PM (#49427573)
Suspicious of what?
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by kotaKat on Monday August 24, 2026 @04:48AM (#49416973)
Can I extend the turn signal thing to "can we please recall and ban Hyundai's shitty H-lights on the back of their new vehicles"?

https://images-stag.jazelc.com/uploads/theautopian-m2en/cs_m...

Those turn and brake signals are nearly unreadable at distance now. Even worse when snow-covered.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by FireBeyond on Monday August 24, 2026 @05:24PM (#49426040)
Shout out to the Mini Cooper's UK flag lights: https://unsung.aresluna.org/should-be-no-trouble-at-all-for-...

which look like an arrow pointing the opposite direction to the one the driver is indicating for.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by dzhiurgis on Monday August 24, 2026 @05:14AM (#49417188)
Yet most popular car in the world. You need to touch grass or something.
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by defrost on Monday August 24, 2026 @05:26AM (#49417276)
By "current fad" (and waning) metric, sure.

Still a good 42 million or so short of, say, a Toyota Corolla.

Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by euroderf on Monday August 24, 2026 @08:11AM (#49418615)
What? I thought the auto industry had standardised long ago on yellow for turn signals. When did this red-blinker information abomination make it to market ?
Re:Nearly 3M Teslas recalled in China over hidden door handles by OptionOfT on Monday August 24, 2026 @09:15PM (#49427974)
Mandatory video on red turn signals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1lZ9n2bxWA