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Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by trollbridge on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:15AM (#47364030)
Aren’t there huge stockpiles of helium in the US? I can buy party sized tanks at Target or big tanks at the usual places like welding supply places.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by fluidcruft on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:50AM (#47364457)
A lot of the balloon use has switched to nitrogen (helium became much, much more expensive after the strategic helium reserve was sold off)
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by bilsbie on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:59AM (#47364575)
Is lifting gas? That’s pretty cool.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by nerdsniper on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:14AM (#47364765)
Technically yes, but practically no. Air is 78% nitrogen. Nitrogen is 3.3% lighter than air. Helium is 86.2% lighter than air. Hydrogen is 93% lighter than air.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by joemi on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:06PM (#47371203)
How much does that matter for party balloons, though? It's still buoyant.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by nerdsniper on Saturday March 14, 2026 @01:51AM (#47373738)
I feel like people really need to learn basic physics.

The gas inside a standard party balloon is generally compressed 3% to inflate the balloon. This wipes out even the theoretical buoyancy of nitrogen. And trust me, there was never any practical buoyancy to begin with. You’d need a ridiculously large balloon in a room with impossibly still air and impossibly null thermal gradients to even measure the buoyancy of nitrogen vs air. The buoyancy of nitrogen vs air would never be perceptible to human senses in any real-world setting.

It would be the same as just filling the balloon with air.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by joemi on Monday March 16, 2026 @09:14PM (#47407377)
> I feel like people really need to learn basic physics.

I'm 20+ years out of college and I asked a question specifically because I was unsure. Give me a break. I'm sorry if "party balloon buoyancy physics" wasn't the part of my college classes that stuck with me.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by chrismorgan on Saturday March 14, 2026 @02:05AM (#47373813)
A spherical balloon 20cm in radius is displacing 41g of air. Even ignoring compression (which I don’t know enough to quantify the effects of, except that it will make the numbers more unfavourable), nitrogen’s 3.3%-lighter gives you a budget of only 1.35g for the balloon. I believe balloons hare heavier than this, so the balloon will still sink (a little more slowly than an air-filled one, but I’m not sure how noticeable the difference will be).
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by nerdsniper on Saturday March 14, 2026 @05:59PM (#47381690)
> which I don’t know enough to quantify the effects of

You probably do, actually! People constantly underestimate the grand utility of their basic education.

At near-atmospheric pressure and typical ambient temperatures, the ideal gas equation (PV=nRT) from introductory physics works very well and indicates that a 3% overpressure would make gases 3% more dense (linear direct proportionality). At some threshold of high pressures/ low temperatures, you'd want to switch your equation of state (EOS) from ideal gas law to something else. Peng-Robinson would be a good choice for a non-polar gas like Nitrogen, if its >10-50 atm pressure and/or < -50C temperature.

At 20 degC, 1.00atm to 3kPa gauge pressure, ideal gas law predicts nitrogen would increase in density by 2.9608%. Whereas Peng-Robinson predicts it would increase in density by ever-so-slightly more, 2.9623%. This is truly negligible, so better to use the simples EOS for explainability (which would be the ideal gas law).

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by chrismorgan on Sunday March 15, 2026 @10:37AM (#47387801)
Yeah, I didn’t know enough to quantify those effects! :-)
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by cpncrunch on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:09AM (#47364690)
No.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by ralferoo on Friday March 13, 2026 @02:34PM (#47367931)
> balloon use ... helium became much, much more expensive

More than just from inflation? (sorry, not sorry!)

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by rootusrootus on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:06PM (#47368314)
Nitrogen? That's basically just air, what good would a balloon be using nitrogen? Might as well just blow it up with your lungs. It's certainly not going to float in any case.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by fluidcruft on Sunday March 15, 2026 @10:57AM (#47388003)
I think you're correct it's just air being mixed in not nitrogen, specifically. Stores like Party City started pushing things like arches and stems and other things that hold up balloons up rather than float. It is a lot cheaper to sell a larger quantity of balloons filled with air than a few helium-filled balloons. They also switched their floating gas mix to 60/40 to reduce costs (except for mylar balloons which are heavier and require 100 to float). That's how I remember it from buying balloons for birthday parties a few years ago.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by emsign on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:11AM (#47364719)
Balloon gas is ~20% oxygen, so your kids don't go unconscious while doing the funny voices.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by shmeeed on Friday March 13, 2026 @11:04AM (#47365449)
TIL, thx
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by qwertox on Friday March 13, 2026 @02:55PM (#47368176)
This is very likely not true.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by estimator7292 on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:07PM (#47368334)
Would you like to offer a rebuttal more well reasoned and thought out than "nuh-uh"?

You have the entire collected knowledge of mankind at your fingertips. You could do 30 seconds of research and find an answer better than "I don't think that sounds right".

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by loloquwowndueo on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:12PM (#47368383)
> You could do 30 seconds of research

So could you, right?

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by gjm11 on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:44PM (#47369616)
What is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

(The form in which Christopher Hitchens actually stated "Hitchens' Razor" is more symmetrical but unfortunately wrong: "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". Anything can be asserted without evidence! It's only when something actually has been, in a given context, that dismissing it is -- in the same context -- a reasonable course of action.)

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by fc417fc802 on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:08PM (#47369931)
While a reasonable principle I don't think it applies in context. People aren't expected to exhaustively source comments on HN. There's subjective etiquette to it.

In this case it would be reasonable to inquire about the basis of the original remark, or to reject based on personal knowledge, or to reject based on a concrete citation. But an arbitrary non-technical vibes based rejection doesn't fit with how things generally work here.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by Braxton1980 on Friday March 13, 2026 @06:41PM (#47370959)
True but you can provide evidence to increase the quality of your claim.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by rootusrootus on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:03PM (#47368288)
You sure about that? Everything I've ever heard says that balloon gas is generally grade 4, which is 99.99% pure. Not good enough for MRI, but quite a lot better than 80%.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by Jblx2 on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:08PM (#47369166)
>99.99% pure. Not good enough for MRI

What is the reason that MRI needs grade 6 vs grade 4 helium? I'm imagining that the superconducting wire is within a cryostat filled with liquid helium. Doesn't seem like there would be any appreciably partial pressure of things like nitrogen or oxygen at 4 Kelvin. I imagine the reactivity of oxygen is pretty low at 4 K as well. How much dissolved oxygen or nitrogen can liquid helium support? And how much solidifies out and sinks to the bottom of the cryostat?

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by pfdietz on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:33PM (#47368685)
Economically I expect it wouldn't be that pure, since it doesn't have to be that pure to provide lift, and party balloons are not trying to maximize lift.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by rootusrootus on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:42PM (#47368804)
Out of curiosity I did a minor amount of research to get an idea.

Turns out that you are right, some balloon gas is 80%. Specifically, the "Balloon Time" tanks you can buy at places like Target say "not less than 80%" helium.

On the other hand, I went to AirGas and a few other suppliers and they seemed to have 95%-97.0% helium gas as their definition for balloon grade.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by pfdietz on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:46PM (#47368852)
Perhaps "balloon grade" here is not "party balloon grade". Weather balloons? Research balloons?
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by rootusrootus on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:02PM (#47369094)
My guess is that places like AirGas aren't really supplying many weather or research balloons. I suspect the easier answer is 'Balloon Time is low grade crap aimed at people who don't know any better and just want to pick up some balloon gas while grocery shopping.' It's like the difference between people who go to a gas station to refill propane tanks, and people who swap them at Home Depot. (though the smart fellers do swap at Home Depot occasionally, if they need a fresher tank...)

Definitely worth knowing what you're getting, in any case, so you don't get ripped off, and so you can actually get that lawn chair contraption into the sky.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by nwallin on Friday March 13, 2026 @08:02PM (#47371689)
AirGas prioritizes industrial users, in the case of helium, copper welding. Argon is perfectly good enough for almost all welding purposes, but copper is different because of its heat conductivity. The heat from the weld really wants to go anywhere else. Helium has substantially higher heat conductivity than argon, which allows the heat to flow from the electric arc into the metal faster, resulting in better welds.

Obviously you can't have oxygen in welding gas; it would oxidize the shit out of everything.

A little bit of oxygen in party balloon gas is beneficial. Some kid will breathe it, and when they do, you didn't want them to asphyxiate themselves.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by kzrdude on Saturday March 14, 2026 @10:38AM (#47377162)
Do you know if the other 20% is oxygen (as was claimed) or if it's air? I just think the latter seems cheaper and more likely.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by pfdietz on Sunday March 15, 2026 @06:59AM (#47386196)
I think it may be CO2. CO2 in the gas would cause all sorts of unpleasant effects that would discourage continuing to breath it, and CO2 is probably cheaper to store and transport than oxygen.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by icwtyjj on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:07PM (#47368331)
https://www.bocgases.ie/files/balloon_grade_helium_factsheet... says 95% helium and 1% oxygen while https://dan.org/alert-diver/article/helium-gas-purity-what-i... says 97.5% helium but very unlikely for it to be as low as 80%
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by inaros on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:36PM (#47368726)
"An overview of the different common grades of helium" - https://zephyrsolutions.com/what-are-the-different-grades-of...

Grade 6 (6.0 helium = 99.9999% purity) The closest to 100% pure helium, 6.0 helium is used in the manufacturing of semiconductor chips – Grade 5.5 (5.5 helium = (99.9995% purity) Like 6.0 helium, 5.5 ultra pure helium gas is typically considered “research grade,” also used in chromatography and semiconductor processing

Grade 5 (5.0 helium = 99.999% purity) This high purity grade helium is also widely used for gas chromatography, mass spectrometry, and specific laboratory research when higher purity gases are not necessary, as well as for weather balloons and blimps.

Grade 4.8 (4.8 helium = 99.998% purity) The highest of the “industrial grade” heliums, 4.8 grade helium is often used by the military. The rest is classified...

Grade 4.7 (4.7 helium = 99.997% purity) A “Grade-A” industrial helium, 99.997% helium is mostly used in cryogenic applications and for pressurizing and purging

Grade 4.6 (4.6 helium = 99.996% purity) Grade 4.6 industrial helium is used for weather balloons, blimps, in leak detection

Grade 4.5 (4.5 helium = 99.995% purity) Often the grade most commonly referred to when people say “industrial grade,” 99.995% helium is most commonly used in the balloon industry

Grade 4 (4.0 helium and lower = 99.99% purity) Any helium that is 99.99% and down into the high 80 percents is within the range of purities referred to collectively as “balloon grade helium.”

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by deceptionatd on Friday March 13, 2026 @11:21PM (#47372993)
Interesting bit from that article wrt to transport infrastructure:

"most distributors simply stick to the industry standard transport of Grade 5. That is why for and [sic] end user of helium, a lower grade can cost more than the higher grades."

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by bee_rider on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:24PM (#47368567)
I wonder if one of you could be going by number of atoms, and the other could be going by weight?
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by HPsquared on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:28PM (#47369408)
Helium for diving is going to be a different mix than what's used for balloons. In diving it's used to reduce the partial pressure of oxygen, and also to quickly diffuse back out of tissues when returning to the surface. Very different application!
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by icwtyjj on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:11PM (#47369976)
Sorry i was referencing "Balloon grade H is the least pure at 97.5 percent." from the diving article
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by bryan0 on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:16PM (#47368457)
source? the value I found is 97.5%+ helium for party balloons: https://www.grecogas.com/learn-our-industry/your-complete-gu...
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by stevenwoo on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:35PM (#47368709)
People commit suicide with it because it's supposedly painless and quick.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by tadfisher on Friday March 13, 2026 @06:31PM (#47370857)
Same applies to every gas that isn't carbon dioxide. Your body only cares about expelling CO2, it hasn't evolved a way to detect oxygen in the breathing gas mix. Divers know all about this.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by kerridge0 on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:50PM (#47368920)
I believe that that's the stuff you buy in the shop, the non-refillable containers. If you buy a proper refillable balloon gas cylinder it's the higher grade stuff. Source: bought the shop stuff, got disappointed, bought the cylinder, happy.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by kylehotchkiss on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:06PM (#47369139)
We're dumb enough now to have forgotten history.

Moar hydrogen party balloons. Making partying fun again!

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by meroes on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:44PM (#47369621)
I can personally attest that this is not foolproof, if it is even the case. Those helium tanks you can buy for large parties knocked me out as a kid. Lost consciousness fell to the ground, blacked out. Supervise your kids if you buy one!
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by vasco on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:27AM (#47364172)
Messer Completes Acquisition of Federal Helium System from BLM https://www.messer-us.com/press-releases/messer-completes-ac...
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by bix6 on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:51AM (#47364470)
Why did we sell it instead of lease? This seems like something that should be in public hands.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by piva00 on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:17AM (#47364809)
Ideological idiocy, the dismantling of anything public turning into private hands is ideologically pure for libertarian-inclined folks, no matter how strategically stupid it might be.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by hn_acc1 on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:18PM (#47369287)
This. 1000x this.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by fc417fc802 on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:28PM (#47370178)
Seems more directly capitalist than libertarian to me.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by piva00 on Saturday March 14, 2026 @05:31AM (#47374892)
Neoliberal capitalism is founded on absorbing parts of libertarian thinking. The "capitalism" moniker of today used by ideologues is coupled to the meaning of it given by neoliberals.

It's been coopted, not necessarily capitalism means "everything should be private", the current flavour of capitalist ideology wants that but other versions of capitalism don't put that as a foundational Ideological tenet.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by forgetfreeman on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:29AM (#47364972)
crypto-libertarian "government bad" ideology is one hell of a drug.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by dnautics on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:47AM (#47365226)
well it was signed into law by obama, so there's that.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by stvltvs on Friday March 13, 2026 @12:12PM (#47366364)
I like the guy, but he was GOP-lite as a president, served corporate interests.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by fc417fc802 on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:30PM (#47370214)
The GOP isn't "crypto-libertarian" by any stretch of the imagination. That's probably even more absurd than the people who suggest the GOP is "financially conservative".
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by forgetfreeman on Friday March 13, 2026 @08:06PM (#47371735)
The thing there is the GOP was financially conservative a few decades ago and it's like nobody bothered to update the wiki.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by mrguyorama on Monday March 16, 2026 @05:18PM (#47405020)
They'll ride it forever. My dad still insists "Protecting the environment is conservative, look at the EPA made by Nixon" as if there hasn't been clear and deliberate anti-environmental policy since then.

After 30 years of empirical reality demonstrating that if you want a government that is responsible with money, you must vote democrat, Donald Trump was still voted in because "He's good for the economy"

He is not.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by forgetfreeman on Monday March 23, 2026 @10:31AM (#47490088)
Late response but I can't leave the assertion that voting Democrat results in fiscal responsibility unchallenged. Their experiment with neoliberal economics and aggressive disinterest in pursuing anti-trust and anti-monopolistic policy have bankrupted most of rural America. At this point if fiscal responsibility is a goal you'd pretty much have to vote 3rd party or independent (for as much good as that does anyone).
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by forgetfreeman on Friday March 13, 2026 @01:04PM (#47366959)
I'm no partisan. Politicians elected to serve corporate interests come in your choice of red or blue.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by dnautics on Friday March 13, 2026 @01:37PM (#47367316)
of course but i think characterizing obama as a Crypto-Libertarian is a disservice to carter, who was actually a crypto-libertarian
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by kristjansson on Friday March 13, 2026 @02:47PM (#47368087)
yes the president is the law giver, he who conceives, imposes, and bears in perpetuity all responsibilities for all laws passed during his term
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by cagenut on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:04AM (#47364636)
sorry thats too far left wing an opinion in america today
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by infogulch on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:16AM (#47364796)
The sale was completed in 2024.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by actionfromafar on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:24AM (#47364909)
I feel that as soon as the existential threat easened with the splintering of the Soviet Union, the US started doing some self-harming libertarian flavored shit to itself.

In the 1980s, I assume getting rid of the "strategic reserve" of anything would have met more pushback, because of primal fear overriding greed.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by noah_buddy on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:47PM (#47368860)
Yes, Reagan was noted for his desire to avoid privatization of anything. /s

Kidding aside, the US has had libertarian pipe dreams for the better part of its history. The aberration was the New Deal period up until the mid 60s.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by scythe on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:53PM (#47368964)
> We are going to do a terrible thing to you — we are going to deprive you of an enemy.

– Georgi Arbatov, Soviet political scientist, 1988

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by trollbridge on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:03PM (#47369104)
Wasn’t the original purpose of the strategic helium reserve to build fleets of zeppelins?
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by phr4ts on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:25AM (#47364917)
For those who don't understand, Biden sold the Helium not Trump - he took office on Jan 20, 2025.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by baldeagle on Friday March 13, 2026 @10:41AM (#47365140)
"Current law (cira 2013) requires BLM to sell off the crude helium remaining in the Federal Helium Reserve in order to repay the U.S. Treasury the $1.3 billion debt incurred creating it. This debt will be repaid this fiscal year and that, as a consequence, the helium program will terminate at the end of the current fiscal year (October 1, 2013), absent Congressional action. Currently, the Federal Helium Reserve supplies roughly 40% of domestic and 30% of global helium demand. Loss of access to the Federal Helium Reserve would result in significant disruptions to a large number of critical U.S. industries." https://www.energy.senate.gov/services/files/494b2f9e-c8f5-4...

Sounds like Obama kept the gas taps flowing, instead of locking it up because authorization to sell it had expired. Here is the whole record: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/527/...

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by 4ggr0 on Friday March 13, 2026 @11:18AM (#47365652)
> too far left wing

> biden

uhm...

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by edgyquant on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:27PM (#47368608)
His admin was by far the most left wing in history, only the actual far left think otherwise
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by cyberax on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:58PM (#47369048)
How does he compare with Nixon, who created the EPA?
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by ImPostingOnHN on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:35PM (#47368700)
Please don't call everyone who doesn't disagree with you, names.

There are billions of people in the world, and you are one, and you have your one set of opinions out of billions.

Nobody endowed you or your opinions with any sort of infallibility or superiority over others.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by sillystuff on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:46PM (#47370396)
Biden is an anti-abortion Catholic Zionist who wouldn't even do anything (but empty talk) to raise the minimum wage during high inflation. He enabled a genocide so his gods would reward him. I guess he would be a radical commie to the extreme far right. Nixon, JFK, LBJ and Lincoln, for example, signed into law actual left policies (whether they agreed with them or not-- none were lefties).

Words have meaning. Someone a bit left of a Nazi is not on the Left even if they are to the left of the person speaking.

The Democrats are a right-wing party. They spend more energy attacking the left than they do, the Republicans. Look at what they did to the center-left Sanders and their constant lawfare to keep left parties, like the Greens and Peace and Freedom, off the ballot and out of the debates (last election, the Greens spent half their campaign funds fighting these frivolous lawsuits from the Democratic party who seek to subvert democracy [Republicans attack anyone more left/darker than them, through voter suppression and other techniques to also subvert democracy]). There is very little daylight between the two. They serve the same masters, Oligarchs and Israel.

The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them. - Julius Nyerere

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by tzs on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:00PM (#47369075)
The Helium Privatization Act of 1996 (HPA) required it. It passed to House on a voice vote and the Senate by unanimous consent and was signed by President Clinton.

After sales paid off the debt that has been incurred from the expansion of scope of the helium program in the 1960 Helium Act, which was one of the main points of the HPA, it was update by the Helium Stewardship Act of 2013 (which passed the House 394-1, and the Senate 97-2, and was signed by President Obama).

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by owebmaster on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:30AM (#47364208)
Foi de vasco (died).
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by dylan604 on Friday March 13, 2026 @02:18PM (#47367754)
Depending on who you go to, some places will not sell you tanks of Helium. We did a balloon launch expecting to use Hydrogen because Helium was going to be problematic. The sales rep at the supply place took a look at the group of us knuckleheads with absolutely no Hydrogen experience and ended up selling us the Helium while also exchanging all of our connectors. Hydrogen tanks use specific connectors different from all other tanks to make using a hydrogen take by mistake very difficult. I was nervous about using hydrogen and had no issue with the higher price for the helium knowing I wasn't going to catch on fire.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by hrmtst93837 on Friday March 13, 2026 @02:28PM (#47367859)
Helium for party balloons is low grade and not pure enough for chip fab use, so stacking up birthday tanks won't keep TSMC running. Industrial grade helium has a restricted and oddly international supply chain thanks to regulation and a few weirdly-placed depots. The US 'helium stockpile' isn't really a menu you can just order from when a factory across the planet runs dry, especially if offtakes and logistics are tied up by decade-old government contracts. If you want to see supply chain fragility, try pricing MRI-grade helium after a shutdown and watch everyone in medical procurement panic quitely.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by jason_s on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:07PM (#47369164)
after what kind of shutdown?
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by ceejayoz on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:38PM (#47369537)
If the helium gets warm, you have to vent it outside before it goes kaboom from the pressure.

https://radiology.ucsf.edu/patient-care/patient-safety/mri-s...

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by amatecha on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:56PM (#47370513)
Damn, that's intense:

> If the scan room door is closed when a quench occurs and helium escapes into the scan room, the depletion of oxygen causes a critical increase in pressure in the room compared with the control area. This produces high pressure in the scan room, which may prevent opening of the door. If this should happen, the glass partition between the scan and control rooms should be broken to release the pressure. The scan room door can then be opened as usual and the patient evacuated. In such a case the patient should be immediately evacuated and evaluated for asphyxia, hypothermia and ruptured eardrums.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by NooneAtAll3 on Saturday March 14, 2026 @04:56AM (#47374707)
note for hospitals: doors into MRI rooms should open outside
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by realityking on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:39PM (#47369549)
Most MRIs vent their helium in an emergency shutdown. https://medprotech.de/en/what-is-an-mri-quench/
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by jiggawatts on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:57PM (#47370519)
Isn't Helium one of the easiest elements to purify? Just cool it below 14 Kelvin, which will make everything else freeze out. Collect the remaining liquid, which should be pure Helium.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by bgnn on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:18PM (#47371318)
14 kelvin is not easy to achieve at scale + after that, you need to keep it pure.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by jiggawatts on Friday March 13, 2026 @07:52PM (#47371613)
Apparently 14 K cooling is not used even up to 5N or 6N purity, commercial large-scale sources use various other tricks to remove the other gases. They do cool the input gas down to liquid nitrogen temperatures as one of the first steps.

My point is that there's "maximally efficient / profitable" versus "can be made available as an emergency alternative".

Cooling to 14 K isn't the cheapest option, but it has very low complexity. You can "simply" pressurise the source gas, cool it to room temperature through an ordinary heat exchanger, then allow it to expand. The only issue is that if you do this naively, the expansion nozzle will get clogged with ice.

Obviously, this wastes a lot of Helium, but we have lots of it. If what's needed is high purity Helium, then throwing away even 90% to get 10% that's 6N pure should be no problem for an industrial nation.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by danparsonson on Friday March 13, 2026 @09:40PM (#47372430)
You can't just spin up such a facility in a few days or weeks though, surely? Even if the core of a process is relatively simple physically, you still need all the supporting infrastructure to make it happen.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by jiggawatts on Saturday March 14, 2026 @02:13AM (#47373848)
Starting from an empty lot, no, it would take nearly a year.

However, any air (or gas) liquefaction / separation plant that is already making purified industrial gases from air or other sources could be adapted in a matter of weeks or at most a couple of months.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by dnautics on Friday March 13, 2026 @02:52PM (#47368146)
not just. huge deposits opened (actively being exploited) up in colorado, utah in the past few years and Minnesota this year
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by stevenwoo on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:33PM (#47368681)
All natural gas deposits contain helium at various concentrations, it's only commercially worth harvesting above a certain percentage but speculate the problem is the US can't just fill the Qatar loss in supply immediately since we have plentiful natural gas.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by trollbridge on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:01PM (#47369083)
Makes sense.

We have so much gas where I live that there are places it’s just flared off and burned, because it’s less greenhouse emissions than it escaping unburned.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by GeorgeWBasic on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:09PM (#47369191)
If it's being burned, it isn't helium.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by HPsquared on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:24PM (#47369361)
Parent is referring to natural gas
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by XorNot on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:51PM (#47369700)
Helium deposits don't exist is the thing, the same structures in the Earth which trap methane gas also trap helium gas and some of them trap enough to make recovery economically viable.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by HPsquared on Saturday March 14, 2026 @07:02PM (#47382208)
And that helium comes from Alpha decay of Uranium and Thorium.
Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by hedora on Friday March 13, 2026 @11:49PM (#47373159)
Today, I learned Helium does burn, and when it burns, it forms Carbon.

https://www.britannica.com/science/chemical-element/Processe...

Granted, the flare gas probably doesn't reach the prerequisite 100M-200M kelvin. I suspect high pressure is also required so the Helium stays close to the heat source.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by roywiggins on Friday March 13, 2026 @05:42PM (#47370352)
An unusually large helium deposit in the US made the news recently, not sure if it's being exploited:

https://www.minnpost.com/other-nonprofit-media/2024/07/what-...

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by mc32 on Friday March 13, 2026 @03:41PM (#47368797)
Good old JIT stock management for essential materials, right?

One’d think that they’d keep more than a couple of weeks’s supply of critical materials —to bad many copied Cook’s and others’s JIT inventory management for everything.

Re:Qatar helium shutdown puts chip supply chain on a two-wee... by krunck on Friday March 13, 2026 @04:04PM (#47369125)