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Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by randycupertino on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:20PM (#46037199)
The article title actually calls this "device hoarding" which I find somewhat absurd. Using your devices until they die isn't "hoarding" it's being environmentally conscientious and financially prudent.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by ch_123 on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:48PM (#46037572)
> The average American now holds onto their smartphone for 29 months, according to a recent survey by Reviews.org, and that cycle is getting longer. The average was around 22 months in 2016.

As someone who makes enough money to buy a new phone every year if I wanted, I typically upgrade my phone (iPhone for what it's worth) every 4 years. My experience is that this is about as long as it takes for enough new features to accumulate to make me excited about an upgrade. By the end of this 4 year period, my phones are in a sufficiently good state to be sold, or passed on to a family member.

The idea that a typical person is expected to upgrade their phone every 2 years or so is almost incomprehensible to me.

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by GuestFAUniverse on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:29PM (#46038154)
Indeed. That mode of the economy is totally flawed.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by figassis on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:08AM (#46042526)
And it is new. Before iPhones, no one cared how long you held a phone for. Now it's an economic crisis.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by JohnFen on Monday November 24, 2025 @03:26PM (#46038836)
> The average American now holds onto their smartphone for 29 months, according to a recent survey by Reviews.org, and that cycle is getting longer. The average was around 22 months in 2016.

Damn. I don't think I've ever had a phone for less than 5 years before I was forced to replace it.

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by prngl on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:35PM (#46037378)
I always find it odd when media (and others) consider consumerism as somehow "helping" the economy. The economy is entirely about the collective activity of humans serving humans. Everything we make or do is really about prioritizing that activity over others. Why would it be advantageous to prioritize barely-distinguishable "new" devices over the myriad other things human labor and capital could be put to?
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by toomuchtodo on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:35PM (#46037388)
Their audience is the capital class (the wealthiest 10% of Americans own 93% of stocks). Longer device ownership and service life is fiscally responsible but suboptimal for shareholders.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by prngl on Monday November 24, 2025 @03:10PM (#46038602)
Yes, I think you're right. Seems to reveal a fundamentally extractive, rather than value-generative, economic model.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by Group_B on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:32PM (#46037345)
This is simply a rage bait article. They know what they’re doing publishing this. We don’t need stuff like this on HN.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by subarctic on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:37PM (#46037422)
"Figure out an opinion that no one has that you could conceivably argue for that will piss off the most people"

I know some people that like to do this for their own entertainment in real life, i guess they could get a job writing for cnbc

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by antisthenes on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:13PM (#46037916)
Agreed. Low-effort nothingburger article, nothing to see, move along.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by Wistar on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:34PM (#46037370)
My empirical observations conclude this is true in my little circle of the world. In our offices, we are using 2017–2019 era computers that are kept up and many of my friends, family and acquaintances are using iPhone 14 and older. I use an iPhone 12 mini because I love the mini form factor and treat the phone with care as I want it to last—hopefully until the next mini comes out which is likely forever, darn it.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by linuxhiker on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:18PM (#46037181)
Good.

This constant consumerism is destroying our world.

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by journal on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:28PM (#46037290)
Now we have to stop people from consuming cold turkey.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by rkomorn on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:30PM (#46037322)
You want people to quit cold turkey cold turkey?
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by OneMorePerson on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:53PM (#46037639)
Aren't we all consuming just by being alive? It becomes consumerism when it's taken too far but I don't think any human being can ever stop consuming.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by lousken on Monday November 24, 2025 @03:00PM (#46038503)
I used my last phone for 7 years and now I want at least 10, why upgrade?
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by axus on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:35PM (#46037383)
If the new devices didn't require subscriptions, ads, or cloud verification of manufacturer authenticity, we'd be more excited to buy them.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by graeme on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:33PM (#46037360)
The headline + intro is written to infuriate. If you respond to that and not the article you're taking the bait.

The main topic the article is talking about is a drag on business efficiency from a slower upgrade cycle and running workloads less efficiently on old equipment.

>Small businesses, in particular, lose valuable hours each year due to lagging systems, creating what economists call a ‘productivity drag,’” Benabess said. On a national scale, this translates to billions of dollars in lost output and reduced innovation. “While keeping devices longer may seem financially or environmentally responsible, the hidden cost is a quieter erosion of economic dynamism and competitiveness,” she added.

Of course it's on CNBC for writing the article this was. It likely never would have made it here without that spin however. State of the media environment.

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by nathanaldensr on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:40PM (#46037455)
The problem is, it's never not been this way. That's why it's called an "upgrade treadmill." The treadmill never stops accelerating no matter how many times we redouble our efforts to catch up. New devices with higher processing power are inevitably filled with bloated apps that consume all that productivity. Without some kind of regulating force preventing app developers from being inefficient, this will never stop.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by donkeybeer on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @04:40AM (#46044104)
Yes but why is ten year old system lagging? That's the problem.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by graeme on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @02:12PM (#46049498)
Not the whole story. As an example I just got a new scanner. It's almost twice as fast as the ten year old scanner it replaced.

Or I got a computer with a larger hard drive. Less mental overhead in managing files.

I loaded my macbook pro from 2015 recently and it runs great (though past security updates). But the fans spin, as they did in 2015 as well. Newer Apple Silicon blow it out of the water, including on say video editing or other areas where bloat isn't the issue.

There's a lot of genuine technical improvements in ten years that aren't just keeping up with bloat. These are prosumer use cases above but the same sort of thing applies to corporate systems.

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by tybstar on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:27PM (#46037278)
Oh no, not the economy.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by z_ on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:43PM (#46037496)
Please consume. For the economy.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by toomuchtodo on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:43PM (#46037503)
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by crtasm on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:46PM (#46037554)
I went to the store but it was all out of bubblegum.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by mcphage on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:57PM (#46038474)
What does it mean to "cost the economy"? Is the economy owed some particular amount of money?
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by Simulacra on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:45PM (#46038355)
I used an iPhone 9 until Apple pushed so many apps to discontinue support, when the phone itself was perfectly fine. This whole article is insulting, and it has the undercurrent of apple's goal to make digital devices disposable.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by pjmlp on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:29PM (#46037308)
Welcome to the rest of the world where stuff usually only gets replaced when it breaks, becomes unusable or gets stolen.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by nathanaldensr on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:41PM (#46037472)
My wife is Filipina. In the Philippines, there are specialists all over the place that keep things running long after they have any right to. That could be ancient computer parts, motorcycle engines, tires... If you can imagine it, they can repair it. Good luck finding that ethic here in the West! We're incredibly wasteful.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by pjmlp on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:58PM (#46037718)
I miss the 1980's repair shops in Portugal, although they seem to be having a comeback.

In Germany, repair cafés are quite common.

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by jmclnx on Monday November 24, 2025 @02:18PM (#46037994)
Cell Phone, upgrading is a waste, I only will get a new Cell if my current one stops working of I am forced to due to it will be disabled due to a Cell Network change. My next one will probably be a burner or hopefully the new FSF phone I heard about.

Laptops, PCs ? I am on 10 year old Laptop and that works just as good as any modern system. I do not use any Microsoft products so there is no need to upgrade. Plus, any new system will probably not work with my preferred OS for a couple of years, that means if I buy, I always buy used.

Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by superkuh on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:31PM (#46037336)
Newer hasn't been better for quite a while when it comes to computing devices.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by idiotsecant on Monday November 24, 2025 @01:54PM (#46037659)
This article is wild - there are multiple references to how awesome the iphone 17 is and how it's convincing consumers to buy it, and some weird language that implies consumers are essentially immoral for keeping old devices. I'd almost say it's product placement for the new iphone revision, but I think it's just terrible writing plus ragebait.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by figassis on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @12:06AM (#46042521)
I can't imagine how they were not paid to publish this.
Re:Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and i... by M95D on Tuesday November 25, 2025 @08:04AM (#46045403)
> Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and it's costing the economy

Americans are holding onto devices longer than ever and it's costing the (Apple) investors

I fixed it.