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Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by glerk on Friday November 07, 2025 @02:39PM (#45850156)
Google must have some awful PMs and designers. The worst UX decision I have seen recently is AI auto-dubbing all youtube videos by default with no way to disable this behavior globally. How could you miss that people can be fluent in multiple languages and if I click on a video in a foreign language, I most likely want the original soundtrack? Clearly, the intention was to boost some metric “X users are using this feature” with no regard for the actual user.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by RajT88 on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:09PM (#45850465)
> The worst UX decision I have seen recently is AI auto-dubbing all youtube videos by default with no way to disable this behavior globally.

Recently anyways. The most egregious thing about Youtube, which is not terribly new, is the Shorts. If your video is short enough, it is auto-converted to a "Short", and the original aspect ratio gets cropped to be vertical orientation (for viewing on a phone, presumably).

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by rurp on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:11PM (#45851156)
It's wild how disrespectful this is to viewers and content creators. Google literally couldn't care less what people want, it's just a machine that optimizes for whatever KPIs a given manager has that quarter, users be damned.

Of course Google doesn't have to care about users because they have a dozen different monopolies. It's sad that they were allowed to get to this point.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by alex1138 on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:37PM (#45851406)
I tend to raise holy hell about Whatsapp because that's pretty clear antitrust and Zuckerberg lied

However with that also being said Google is a menace

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by jfil on Sunday November 09, 2025 @12:58AM (#45863296)
"Jedi Blue" - the 2 big menaces, working as friends!
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by DANmode on Monday November 10, 2025 @06:53PM (#45882486)
Vimeo.

Unless it’s Google’s price, and network effects you want.

In which case…well, they’ve already told you.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by mikepurvis on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:23PM (#45850638)
That is extraordinarily hostile to both creators and consumers.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by AlexandrB on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:27PM (#45850696)
Gotta pump those engagement metrics for shorts.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by copperroof on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:25PM (#45850660)
The most irritating thing for me now is that YouTube doesn’t work in my browser anymore. Clearly being a/b tested because sometimes it does, and sometimes it spews out thousands of console errors and doesn’t load anything.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by Dwedit on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:53PM (#45850987)
You don't have any old browser extensions by any chance? "Enhancer for YouTube" is an extension which has become unmaintained, and will break YouTube.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by copperroof on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:08PM (#45851119)
No I have a few privacy plugins/adblock but they all work fine with YouTube normally. I tried disabling everything. All the standard debugging tests.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by xp84 on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:33PM (#45851354)
Yes. Presently, with ublock origin on fairly default settings, YouTube causes an unresponsive tab that doesn't play the video, and a blast of errors on the console. Disabling UBO on youtube.com fixed the problem instantly for me (which is fine since I pay for YouTube Premium because it's the correct solution to the problem of "pay content creators and don't destroy my experience")
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by ranger_danger on Friday November 07, 2025 @07:37PM (#45852973)
Make sure your uBO extension is fully up to date. No issues here but I did a couple days ago until I updated.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by incangold on Saturday November 08, 2025 @03:54AM (#45855249)
Important content and information I want is on YouTube. I pay a YouTube subscription.

I have ADHD. YouTube shorts are poison. I don’t want them. I keep clicking “not interested”. They go away for a bit, they come back, I waste hours of my life scrolling through them before I notice. I click “not interested” 20 more times to get a few days relief…

Even when you’re the customer, you’re not the customer.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by RajT88 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @07:43AM (#45856275)
I haven't tried it, but I was able to search and find a greasemonkey script:

https://github.com/conifer215/hide-youtube-shorts

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by xg15 on Saturday November 08, 2025 @02:37PM (#45859318)
> Even when you’re the customer, you’re not the customer.

I think a better way to phrase "if you're not the customer, you're the product" is "we don't want your money, we want you".

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by AlphaDev2025 on Tuesday November 11, 2025 @07:01AM (#45886353)
I personally feel it would be best to stop watching shorts itself, and I personally feel the best way to block it is using some chrome extension for atleast the desktop... I use

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/shortsblocker-and-r...

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by anigbrowl on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:48PM (#45850944)
I watch about 50% Japanese content and having to switch this off manually has become a major source of annoyance. Bizarrely, if I misunderstand something in Japanese and want to go back to check, these same videos normally don't have any English subtitles available. There's auto-transcribed Japanese subtitles which are about 90% accurate, but they're rarely translated.

The absolutely wild disparity in compute required to translate the Japanese text to English vs rendering an entirely new soundtrack in English blows my mind. I guess someone at Google thought it made sense because many people prefer dubs to subs, but that's on highly polished entertainment product vs 1-person-and-their-Japanese-vlog channels which are not aiming at a mass audience.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by majorchord on Friday November 07, 2025 @07:39PM (#45852985)
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by jack_pp on Friday November 07, 2025 @02:44PM (#45850219)
+1, this is the most annoying YouTube feature I've ever come across. Gave them feedback on it.. maybe more people should complain
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by jimmyl02 on Friday November 07, 2025 @02:51PM (#45850303)
if it increases topline metrics like watch time it's probably hard for them to justify removing it. a change this big seems like it was probably a/b tested and did move metrics significantly?
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by cedilla on Friday November 07, 2025 @02:59PM (#45850374)
Probably. We keep watching all kind of stuff after getting baited into it. AI slob is annoying, but we do want to know what chefs do about sticky pizza dough, or what that secret in the pyramids is, or how the kid reacted to what the cat did, or (insert your guilty pleasure here).
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by xp84 on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:35PM (#45851384)
on some platforms I try to be really good about hitting the "Never recommend this channel/page/whatever again" whenever the algo serves me the bottom-tier gutter trash videos, such as the "idiotic life hack that obviously won't work" engagement bait. It's a small drop in the ocean, but at least that one channel will never be served to me again.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by m4tthumphrey on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:09PM (#45851137)
This happened to me for the first (and only time so far) the other day on a video that wasn’t even in another language but from an guy who sometimes posts in another language (but usually in English) but does have a strong German (I think) accent. I was so confused at first and it took me a while to figure out what was going on as I could tell his voice was weird and then noticed the audio was completely out of sync.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by OhMeadhbh on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:46PM (#45850927)
I complained about the same problem a while ago. There are a few recommendations for alternative YT interfaces that don't seem to be as messed up yet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45503218

And apropos of nothing... there's another link on the front page at the moment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45850430 ) talking about Apple crossing the red line of customer satisfaction. This got me thinking... to Alphabet, you're not the customer, you're the product. YouTube is a sugary trap to lure eyeballs into the advosphere.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by xp84 on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:38PM (#45851418)
YouTube is one of the better ones -- sort of -- in that you can simply pay with a very small amount of money rather than by wasting a ton of time on ads.

Only "sort of" though since they still use the same spammy algorithm-driven timeline and Shorts and stuff, and are clearly still trying to maximize your total watch time. Given that I just pay a fixed fee, I wish they'd use a different algorithm that only seeks to keep my engagement with YouTube from dipping too low, rather than the default which is clearly designed to turn a 23-hour-a-day user into 24.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by bikelang on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:30PM (#45850725)
I don’t think it’s just google. Modern product management feels broken across the whole industry. Do these guys even talk to customers anymore?
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by metalliqaz on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:34PM (#45850789)
Yeah, they do. It's just that the customers have changed. Once they were the viewers, then the advertisers, and now that monopoly power is secure, the "customers" of those PMs are the financial backers.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by itopaloglu83 on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:56PM (#45851628)
I think this is where “ you’re the product, advertisers are the customers” comes in.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by wenderen on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:04PM (#45850421)
In addition to the feature being auto-on (for me, at least) and unasked-for, you also need to perform multiple clicks through non-obvious menus (I think one of them was "Audio track"?) to get to the original audio. Another layer of obnoxiousness.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by littlestymaar on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:09PM (#45850467)
I don't even know how to get the original video title back…
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by machomaster on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:28PM (#45851302)
You can't. The translated titles and descriptions are ruined and there is nothing you as a viewer can do to fix it back.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by littlestymaar on Saturday November 08, 2025 @11:56AM (#45858108)
I think there's a way since I saw a browser extension that did exactly that.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by sznio on Saturday November 08, 2025 @02:14PM (#45859131)
yeah, the extension uses the YouTube api to get the original video title. you need to set up your own api key though
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by littlestymaar on Saturday November 08, 2025 @03:01PM (#45859502)
JFC!
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by machomaster on Saturday November 08, 2025 @03:28PM (#45859676)
I meant that there is no google/youtube-provided way to fix the problem they caused.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by mtmail on Friday November 07, 2025 @03:27PM (#45850684)
Quite happy with an extension which disables the feature (not happy with Youtube forcing the feature). https://github.com/YouG-o/YouTube-No-Translation
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by MetaMalone on Friday November 07, 2025 @02:58PM (#45850359)
I just experienced this and was wondering why it was happening!
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by cyanydeez on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:22PM (#45851254)
I assume all UX designers are replaced by marketing.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by w-m on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:24PM (#45851269)
Go to your Google account settings; add the languages you speak and don’t want auto translations for in your personal profile.

I agree that the auto dubbing is the worst feature. It may have been HN where I read the above tip to turn that off, it seems to have worked for me so far.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by Krssst on Saturday November 08, 2025 @09:09AM (#45856760)
This is not sufficient for me, I keep getting surprise AI dubs for videos in languages I declared I understand (same for video titles). Fortunately there's a Firefox extension that solved the issue for me but I keep encountering the problem on the Android application.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by forgotTheLast on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:32PM (#45851344)
Reddit does the same for comment. It's on by default and the quality of translations isn't good. Completely jarring
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by raincole on Friday November 07, 2025 @04:34PM (#45851367)
Reddit has machine-translated their whole site in different languages and made these translated versions google-indexed. That polluted google result severely. As if google weren't bad enough today.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by estimator7292 on Friday November 07, 2025 @08:30PM (#45853264)
I always immediately hid "don't recommend channel" on auto-dubbed videos without even opening them. Maybe a flood of negative impressions on all of non-English YouTube will draw some attention. Maybe not. It doesn't matter.

YouTube is also applying "AI enhancement" to videos. Several people have had their videos replaced with a mangled version that flashes bright rapid flickering static through the background. It's a genuine epilepsy danger and the channel owner has no control. If they complain to YouTube the video sometimes is silently replaced with the original (until the bots get to it again). Otherwise they can only repeatedly re-upload the video.

It's insane how desperate all of tech is to quintuple down on the sunk cost of AI

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by zulban on Saturday November 08, 2025 @09:36AM (#45856906)
They also translate video titles which cannot even be turned off. Very annoying, low quality, and confusing.
Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by graemep on Saturday November 08, 2025 @12:18PM (#45858273)
Google have always had problems with people who do not fit - e.g. speaking multiple languages, not speaking the majority language in their country ec.

I remember back when i had a site with Google ads on it (about 15 or 20 years ago) I could not change some selection to do with what ads were shown on my .co.uk site to UK because I was not in the UK at the time.

There were other issues with default language assumptions, which were worse as they changed over time. They really should respect browser settings.

Its not just Google. A lot of websites use national flags for languages, which has practical problems in countries that speak many languages, and frequently has political overtones.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by sznio on Saturday November 08, 2025 @02:12PM (#45859119)
>Google have always had problems with people who do not fit - e.g. speaking multiple languages

More people speak multiple languages than just one

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by graemep on Sunday November 09, 2025 @01:17PM (#45867711)
Is that true globally? If not, where is it true.

Anyway, my point is that people who speak multiple languages do not fit Google's world view.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by sgentle on Saturday November 08, 2025 @06:12PM (#45860921)
It's been like this for decades. Remember Google+? Remember Google Talk/Chat/Hangouts/Meet/Allo/Duo etc? The company simply values internal political advantage over coherent product development or user experience.

At Google, you're not the customer, and you're not even the product; you're a metric in a promo packet. Your value in the "AI engagement" column vastly exceeds your value as a satisfied user. The system is working as intended.

Re:Gmail AI gets more intrusive by LetsGetTechnicl on Saturday November 08, 2025 @08:45PM (#45862135)
What? I had no idea this was a feature! I guess I don't watch that much content in other languages. I'd assume even if someone wasn't multi-lingual, I'd prefer subs written or translated by the creator, not some AI bot.