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Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by FredPret on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:03PM (#42400961)
I read an article about "crunchy moms" https://www.wsj.com/style/rfk-jr-health-initiatives-crunchy-...

They like steel and glass kitchenware only. I guess that makes me a crunchy dad (at least when it comes to the kitchen): with any type of plastic, we don't really know what it's really going to do to you long term. Might be nothing at all, but it might be lots of really bad things. But with steel and lead-free glass? It just sits there doing its job for decades on end, no leaching, no reacting, no bits of microplastic in the cooking.

If I saved up the money I spent on non-stick pans, I could've bought several sets of good steel ones, each of which will outlast me. Same goes for steel spatulas.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by darknavi on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:13PM (#42401048)
Mostly unrelated, but glass in the kitchen:

I was in a restaurant the other day and a friend pointed out a small chip on a pint glass. They mentioned that many people take their glass cups and scoop ice out of an ice drawer which can result in small glass shards to be ejected into the ice drawer (and thus ice) which would be very, very bad to ingest.

It might be obvious, but probably best to avoid ice scooping with glass cups!

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by juujian on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:20PM (#42401123)
Big difference between glass and plastics. Glass is chemical inert while plastics degrades and leaks into everything. See the flavor of a plastic bottle that has been in your car for a while. Some plastics may even resemble stuff that is in your body. It's all processed dinosaur juice after all (actually trees, but whatever).
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by FredPret on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:25PM (#42401175)
True but glass is very much "outside the body only". Don't want shards in your gut.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by ascorbic on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:43PM (#42403145)
Eating a small shard of glass will kill you far more quickly than any amount of chemicals from your spatula
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by onewheeltom on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:24PM (#42401168)
Glass shards can also be very sharp.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by pfdietz on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:27PM (#42402436)
> Glass is chemical inert

Well, except for leaded glass.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_glass

"Several studies have demonstrated that serving food or drink in glassware containing lead oxide can cause lead to leach into the contents, even when the glassware has not been used for storage."

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by semiquaver on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:22PM (#42404030)
Glass is not so harmless when you consume shards of it. Chemically inert things can damage the body by mechanical means (I’m a little surprised that this has to be said!)
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by dole on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:07PM (#42402863)
My spouse worked as a server in a restaurant, was told not to do this and learned the hard way and it's common sense: someone has to empty the machine, clean it completely out, and wait for it to fill back up again which takes hours.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by r00fus on Thursday December 12, 2024 @05:53PM (#42404254)
Do people still use ice drawers anymore? I only see dispensers everywhere.

As someone who lived in Europe for a while, I am completely mystified about this obsession with ice in every drink.

When I was young and didn't have disposable income and consequently cheap, I skipped the ice because it simply reduced your available drink quantity and it watered down your soda.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by mathgeek on Thursday December 12, 2024 @11:18PM (#42405876)
A number of French-door style fridges have ice drawers since the freezer is positioned below knee level.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by fingerlocks on Friday December 13, 2024 @04:09AM (#42407098)
If you can swallow glass shards without feeling any pain, they will pass through the intestinal track just fine.

Source: ER doctor when I checked myself in after discovering I accidentally ate glass. He was right. Nothing happened. I was fine.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by mattrick on Saturday December 14, 2024 @04:26AM (#42415758)
I’d be interested to know how you ate glass without realizing it until it was too late.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by fingerlocks on Saturday December 14, 2024 @05:38AM (#42416133)
I poured soup into a glass bowl that contained many shards from a chipped rim that I failed to notice. I had consumed nearly the entire bowl when I bit into the largest shard. I strained the remaining soup for glass, found more shards, but many were unaccounted for. Only possibility left was that I had slurped them down
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by teddyh on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:24PM (#42401173)
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by MisterTea on Thursday December 12, 2024 @12:37PM (#42401312)
What about wood?
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by proee on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:44PM (#42402009)
Wood is safe, but since it's organic has the potential to fuel the growth of molds, bacteria, and other microorganisms. I'm not sure the best way to sanitize wood from these elements? You could light the wood on fire, but then you wouldn't have any wood leftover.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by ascorbic on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:49PM (#42403192)
Wooden spoons go in the dishwasher and then they're perfectly safe. Wooden chopping boards have been shown to be safer than plastuc, because they don't get the cuts that plastic boards do, which harbour microorganisms. Cuts in wooden boards close themselves up.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by pavon on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:36PM (#42403089)
I've heard the opposite, that wood has anti-microbial properties that results in less cross contamination than plastic, even though it is harder to sterilize. For example, here is one study on cutting boards[1].

[1]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31113021/

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by indrora on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:53PM (#42402104)
You can seal woods (polyurethane, linseed oil, etc) and they take well to disinfectants (UV, povidone iodine, etc) and can be submerged in common commercial disinfectant washes.

It's just uncommon in a commercial kitchen because it costs 4-5x the price, depending on how many you want and how many you'll destroy from use over time. A cheap steel implement in a commercial kitchen will last 4-5x the lifetime of a wood one but that same wood implement will last just fine in a home kitchen.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by cruffle_duffle on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:42PM (#42402609)
> polyurethane

If you are using wood to avoid plastic but coat your wood in polyurethane or any other fossil fuel based compound, I kind of feel like you’ve gone full circle back to consuming plastic.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by indrora on Thursday December 12, 2024 @09:12PM (#42405399)
I provide it simply as an example of one way to seal woods.

Wood cutting boards ("butcher's blocks") have been a popular item for as long as the profession of butcher has been around and longer.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by gsk22 on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:54PM (#42402112)
Microbial growth on wood is really only an issue when conditions are right -- namely, when the wood is wet for an extended period of time.

Washing wood utensils immediately after use, with some soap if needed, and drying quickly and completely, should eliminate 99%+ of the risk.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by causi on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:08PM (#42402874)
I don't know where this "unless the surface is sterile it is significantly dangerous" thing comes from. How many people have died from bacteria that grew on wooden utensils that were regularly washed? Is it anything other than zero?
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by nelsoch on Thursday December 12, 2024 @01:52PM (#42402093)
I've unintentionally melted enough plastic cookware- that I should probably move to metal anyways.
Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by leptons on Thursday December 12, 2024 @02:52PM (#42402707)
"crunchy" is such a cynical designation.

I just prefer no plastic in my food, or in my body. This shouldn't be "crunchy", it should be common sense.

The black plastic spatula entered the trash bin a while ago. I was not sorry to see it go at all.

We also replaced our plastic tooth brushes, and have been using bamboo/natural fiber tooth brushes. They work great. I did this before microplastics started making the news, it was just common sense to me. Just think about the abrasiveness of brushing teeth, and tiny micro-sized pieces of plastic from the brushes shearing off as they grind on your teeth.

Re:How a simple math error sparked a panic about black plast... by mjevans on Thursday December 12, 2024 @03:25PM (#42403007)
Silicon kitchenware? Can be extended baked or boiled to sterilize.