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Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by CalRobert on Sunday July 28, 2024 @02:19PM (#41094941)
As the internet gets more balkanized, censored, and controlled by a few giant companies, it makes me think that it's time for a different hobby. Something that can be used to subvert censorship (remember the whole "interprets it as damage and routes around it" conceit?) and is more hobbyists and less corporate sounds appealing.

Is Ham that hobby? I am genuinely asking. A few days ago a thread here had lots of people agreeing it was mostly old dudes being boring. But I like the idea that maybe I (in Europe) can talk to my friend (in the US) by bouncing radio waves off the moon, or some such, and not relying on intermediaries.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by ianburrell on Sunday July 28, 2024 @02:44PM (#41095084)
Amateur radio is not that hobby. There are significant restrictions on what it can be used for. And providing uncensored communication for others is not allowed.

Amateur radio is not for public use like public park. It is like a public golf course, where have to pay for membership and can only use it for certain things.

Also, amateur radio does not have that much spectrum for the bandwidths we expect for internet. That is what has kept the spectrum from being taken away. Much of the high frequenecy spectrum does have is shared with ISM bands.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by simonw on Sunday July 28, 2024 @03:00PM (#41095181)
I agree that understanding the restrictions on HAM usage - including the ban on encryption, and strict rules on what kind of material can be broadcast (since anyone can hear it) - is really important.

You don't have to pay ongoing fees: the initial outlay in the USA is $35 for the license (you have to pass the exam) plus the cost for your equipment (~$70 for the cheaper HAM radios on Amazon), but after that there are no ongoing charges.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by BenjiWiebe on Sunday July 28, 2024 @09:58PM (#41097415)
There is a renewal fee for the license, every 10 years. But it's negligible.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by nobodyknowin on Monday July 29, 2024 @12:10AM (#41097832)
Does one have to take a test for renewal? Or is it a one and done type thing?
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by simonw on Monday July 29, 2024 @01:51AM (#41098211)
You don't have to take the test again. I believe you only have to take the test if your license expires at the end of the ten years AND you wait more than two years before renewing it again.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by nobodyknowin on Monday July 29, 2024 @03:41AM (#41098589)
Thank you for your response.

I did get my novice license (or whatever the lowest license is called) but never got an old borrowed radio to actually transmit. Then life kind of got in the way.

I keep meaning to get back into it, the sstv and various data networks are really cool. I really dig the analog tech.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by wkat4242 on Monday July 29, 2024 @04:57AM (#41098957)
Yeah even if you move to another country you don't have to do the test again. You can just transfer your license.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by wkat4242 on Monday July 29, 2024 @04:56AM (#41098949)
Depends on country. In Holland the fee is substantial and yearly (60€ I believe).

In most other EU countries it's once off but the Dutch government wants money for everything.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by sharksauce on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:02PM (#41103772)
What's your go-to ~$70 radio? I have a couple of Baofengs but you get what you pay for with those.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by avidiax on Monday July 29, 2024 @08:01PM (#41104851)
I have heard good things about the Quansheng UV-K5/8/99. Primarily because there is a hack firmware available.

If you want a "good" HT as an introduction to the hobby, then the Yaesu FT-65R or older FT-60R are both good.

A "do everything" (analog) radio might be the Yaesu VX-6R, which I previously owned. It excels on reception, and is a "tri-band" radio, but the extra band was not useful in my experience.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by gh02t on Sunday July 28, 2024 @05:21PM (#41096061)
> where have to pay for membership and can only use it for certain things

Just to clarify for people who might be interested-- this is not a perfect analogy in that you don't have to pay to participate in amateur radio. You have to pay a fee to take the license exams but it's a token amount, and you don't have to pay regularly to use any ham services that I know of. Apart from buying a radio, of course.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by smitelli on Sunday July 28, 2024 @06:18PM (#41096401)
In the US it’s currently $35 for the FCC renewal, which comes up every ten years.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by kayfox on Monday July 29, 2024 @09:54AM (#41100452)
> pay for membership

Not in every country or even always in the US. In Canada there is no government fees for ham radio, if the test giver wants to charge a fee, they can, but most do not.

In the US there are clubs that pay for new hams fees out of a fund for that purpose.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by swalberg on Sunday July 28, 2024 @02:26PM (#41094990)
What I like about the hobby is that it can be a lot of things to a lot of different people. So the emcomm/prepper crowd is very interested in practicing communications for when existing networks go down.

That said, everything you do in amateur radio is in the open. So if you want to talk to your European friend, only the Sun can prevent you, but anyone can listen.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by bityard on Sunday July 28, 2024 @03:08PM (#41095243)
I think you're getting unfairly downvoted so I'll try to answer your questions. I've had an interest in radio since I was a kid but have only had my license for about the past decade. The fact that you can have a box full of electronics send information to another box full of electronics _around the world_ without any wires in between still kinda blows my mind.

Ham radio is a great hobby. But like all hobbies, you get out of it what you put into it. "Old dudes being boring" for sure are a staple of the ham radio community, but if you come into it with prejudice, you probably won't have the experience you want or make many friends.

What are grumpy old men famous for? That's right, loudly complaining about things other people do and say. So when I see an HN or Reddit thread about ham radio complaining about all the old farts on the air, my mind melts from the overload of irony.

That aside, I don't think I would count on ham radio for subverting censorship but I guess it depends on what you mean. Laws vary by country but in the US and in most countries, you cannot broadcast to the general public, play music, encrypt your transmissions, or use ham radio frequencies for any business purpose.

A ham radio license is permission from your country's government to get on the air for the sake of playing with radio waves and communicating with other hams locally or around the globe without any further agenda. Bouncing signals off the moon is still a fair technical challenge but it has and can be done. But we also bounce signals off the Earth's ionosphere (in the HF bands) and through satellite repeaters, both of which are far easier.

I recommend looking into it and seeing where it takes you. There are plenty of resources online that will help you get started.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @06:05PM (#41096327)
""Old dudes being boring" for sure are a staple of the ham radio community, but if you come into it with prejudice, you probably won't have the experience you want or make many friends."

Ha, one of the great modern (and unsung) ironies of Amateur Radio can only be seen from today's perspective.

When I first got my amateur license decades ago long before the internet, amateurs would find themselves on the end of disparaging or pejorative jibes from those who weren't radio amateurs (but who—more often than not—were also family members) that went something to the effect 'heaven only knows how they manage to gabber and yabber on about such inconsequential garbage for so long' and other like comments.

Now Amateurs can revenge that wrong with a vengeance beyond comparison. All they have to do is to point to the almost infinite tons of inconsequential garbage on Social Media that far exceedes the sum total of all utterances ever made by Radio Amateurs by many orders of magnitude.

I've often wondered why Amateurs don't rub this fact home to the Great Unwashed with much glee

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by shiroiushi on Sunday July 28, 2024 @08:46PM (#41097144)
>I've often wondered why Amateurs don't rub this fact home to the Great Unwashed with much glee

They probably have, but using a communications medium that only they ever use, so no one else knows or cares.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @10:51PM (#41097610)
Likely so. :-)
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by simonw on Sunday July 28, 2024 @02:50PM (#41095112)
I got my HAM license in the USA a while ago. I'm in it mainly for the emergency communications side of things: I live in a coastal community in California with three roads in and out, all three of which can be affected by affected by storms, earthquakes etc.

I've joined ARES: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur_Radio_Emergency_Servic... - which coordinates to provide HAM support for emergency communications. If a big earthquake temporarily disables a chunk of communications infrastructure I can hopefully be useful!

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by BobbyTables2 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @09:04PM (#41097212)
Jus curious, respectfully, is ARES still relevant? These days it seems like a few portable cell towers should outstrip what a motley group of HAMs can humanly do.

About 30 years ago, the people I met who were into ARES seemed a bit weird — sorta a radio version of “preppers”. Maybe I was just in an area not prone to earthquakes…

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by justin66 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @09:25PM (#41097301)
"If a big earthquake temporarily disables a chunk of communications infrastructure." OP is talking about the kind of thing that kicks in if that cell phone network, or 911 response, or what have you is compromised.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by tcmart14 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @11:19PM (#41097687)
I do believe there have been instances where ham radio operators were able to deploy recently and get comms up in some areas faster than others would. These were disasters where they took down the towers, because it happens. And the local hams are faster than the cell phone company is to deploy something.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by chillingeffect on Sunday July 28, 2024 @09:56PM (#41097407)
Ham range can be 100s or >1000 of miles. Cell towers much shorter, under abs max ideal conditions 45 miles. And require much more config and admin.

Hams aren't "motley." They're well-organized. That's why they appear to you as "preppers."

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by wkat4242 on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:04AM (#41099004)
The ARES people think they're really relevant at least here in Europe. I don't join them because they take it all too seriously IMO. They have this thing where a minor flood happens and they all come out in tacticool gear and pretend to be important but keep running in the way of the real aid workers. That was at least my experience when there was a "deployment". Perhaps in other countries it's different.

I don't care about being "important". I'm more into the hobby for the technical side.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by sbrorson on Sunday July 28, 2024 @04:04PM (#41095579)
The thing which seems to be overlooked -- both in the linked article and in the HN comments -- is that at one time ham radio was a hobby for folks wanting to play around with state-of-the-art technology. It was more than just a bunch of guys chatting with each other over a radio. At one time most people had to build their own ham rig from piece parts. One had to have a serious amount of engineering ability to do so ... or at least be able to read a schematic published in a magazine and solder together a radio, not a small feat. As a hobby it was all about becoming proficient in electrical engineering, then enjoying your proficiency by chatting with -- and showing off to -- like-minded guys around the world.

Ham magazines like QST and 73 published schematics and other how-to articles which amounted to an excellent education in practical electrical engineering. 73 magazine in particular was very technical -- it assumed you had good working knowledge of many common RF and audio circuits. Also, to get a ham license you needed to take a test demonstrating a good level of proficiency. For the lowest rung "novice" license you just had to demonstrate knowledge of Morse code at a slow but reasonable pace. For higher rungs of the achievement ladder like "advanced" or "extra" you needed to pass an exam about electronics as well as receive and send Morse code at a fast clip. The license presented a barrier to entry which didn't exist in CB radio -- which some hams looked down upon as a cesspool of unwashed, technically illiterate bozos.

My exposure to ham radio really started in the 1970s since my dad had been a ham playing with homebuilt radios since he was a kid in the 1930s. In the '70s the hobby was trifurcating. On one hand were the hard-core guys who built their own rigs, sometimes for the challenging high-frequency bands. Some also participated in designing and launching a ham-radio satellite via the ARRL. Early forms of digital encoding over radio were also big. Those guys were the real engineering types, and I admired them. On the other hand, commercial outfits were selling ready-to-use radios ... no engineering skills needed. In the middle were guys assembling and using stuff from Heathkit -- a great way to learn about electronics.

The ham hobby has been fading away for many years. I think the thrill of building a radio and then talking to somebody on a different continent with it has diminished in the face of cheap international calling, cell phones, Skype, etc. The only thing left for hams to do these days involves disaster relief -- and the remaining ham mag QST plays up that theme (or at least did the last time I looked). Meanwhile, the young nerds who used to take up ham radio now occupy themselves with various open-source software projects. I suppose that's natural.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by AlbertCory on Sunday July 28, 2024 @04:48PM (#41095862)
Further details:

> For higher rungs of the achievement ladder like "advanced" or "extra" you needed to pass an exam about electronics as well as receive and send Morse code at a fast clip.

The General license (which I got) required 13 wpm. I think I read somewhere that they still broadcast Morse code practice every night.

The Extra was 20 wpm. I don't remember "Advanced."

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by pclmulqdq on Sunday July 28, 2024 @04:59PM (#41095924)
By the time I got a HAM license that I only used for digital transmissions, several people taking the test with me were "old-timers" who were lamenting that you didn't need to know CW to get a license.

There is apparently still a thriving CW community, and some of them use auto-keying now, so you don't need the manual dexterity any more.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by sbrorson on Sunday July 28, 2024 @07:45PM (#41096872)
I'll add one more piece of ham lore to this thread. The gigantic electronic component distributor DigiKey got its start when the founder designed and marketed a Morse code key to the ham radio audience. DigiKey was originally a mail-order business selling to hams.

The point is that the ham radio hobby is very intertwined with the electrical engineering profession. It's very technical ... not just a bunch of guys talking to each other over the radio (although it's that too).

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by howard941 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @05:10PM (#41095987)
The advanced class had the same 13wpm code requirement as the general but added a difficult technical element to the exam suite. When I took it back at an FCC office I found it to be the hardest test of all.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by 9659 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @05:44PM (#41096206)
Do you still have an Advanced class license? I think that Advanced class is the only license that is currently around (and able to be renewed) that required a code test.

The Novice test was something else. 20 questions. 5 WPM code. I was thrilled when it came in the mail. 40 Meter CW, look out.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by howard941 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @06:09PM (#41096345)
No I have an extra. I thought they did away with the advanced when the privileges were realigned couple or 10 years back. I haven't kept up with the class privileges.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by pclmulqdq on Sunday July 28, 2024 @08:04PM (#41096955)
They did away with advanced more than 10 years ago.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by drmpeg on Monday July 29, 2024 @02:32AM (#41098350)
Time flies. It was actually April 2000, 24 years ago.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by vdqtp3 on Monday July 29, 2024 @10:20PM (#41105552)
This evolution seems to be the same in most technical hobbies. And as the evolution occurs and the technical requirements for adoption drop, you need more and more regulation to control the bad actors. See UAS regulations after quadcopters became off the shelf products.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by tkuraku on Sunday July 28, 2024 @02:45PM (#41095092)
Anyone can use ham radio. Encryption is illegal on those bands though.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by bitfilped on Sunday July 28, 2024 @06:26PM (#41096445)
Anyone can listen on a ham radio, you need a license to broadcast. FRS, CB and MURS are the unlicensed options in the US to my knowledge.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by tkuraku on Sunday July 28, 2024 @08:25PM (#41097062)
That's true, but anyone can get a license.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by kragen on Sunday July 28, 2024 @08:56PM (#41097176)
broadcasting is not permitted on ham bands in the us. i suspect you might have meant that you need a license to transmit
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by vitaflo on Monday July 29, 2024 @01:14PM (#41101986)
Can always spot a non-ham by use of the word "broadcast". It's a dead giveaway.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by kragen on Monday July 29, 2024 @02:44PM (#41102680)
i'm a non-ham actually, but i'm also a shibboleth specialist
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by bitfilped on Sunday August 04, 2024 @06:43PM (#41156797)
Or some people just don't care about minor language semantics, radios are never truthfully point to point. Anyone in range can hear them.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by bitfilped on Sunday August 04, 2024 @06:56PM (#41156878)
Lock me up and take away my license...
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by kayfox on Monday July 29, 2024 @09:57AM (#41100478)
> Encryption is illegal on those bands though.

Depends on the band, for VHF, UHF and higher bands a country may make different decisions on what is not permitted. Canada has allowed encryption with published keys to be used for repeater access control in the past.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by aero-glide2 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @02:57PM (#41095156)
You can always find what you are looking for on the internet. Things like zeronet/tor, etc.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by jimhefferon on Sunday July 28, 2024 @04:29PM (#41095736)
I agree that there are a lot of people in a certain demographic. But you can have a lot of fun playing with various technologies.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by dyauspitr on Sunday July 28, 2024 @04:51PM (#41095872)
It depends. I think the ham crowd skews older so there is a lot of misogynistic humor (which I enjoy) and a bunch of racist humor (which I don’t enjoy). Overall it’s definitely not boring, especially if you enjoy a slower paced, in depth discussion of topics.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @07:18PM (#41096747)
"…a bunch of racist humor"

Huh, perhaps where you are but I've never heard any of note. AR is pretty clean in that respect, self-policing works very well.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by dyauspitr on Sunday July 28, 2024 @08:21PM (#41097041)
Yes your experience is heavily location dependent.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @10:44PM (#41097585)
OK, I'll have to accept that expansion. Was it mostly on VHF (would seem more likely)?
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by misstuned on Monday July 29, 2024 @03:50AM (#41098637)
You hear it in the UK on 160m, there are a couple of nets that deal in that kind of "non politically correct" stuff, I don't tune in.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:43AM (#41099179)
Hum, OK. I'm in VK, seems it's quieter here. Thought they'd use VHF to keep it local, but I suppose 160m is the next best thing (it's not the best look, you ought to keep that traffic local if possible).

PS: Sorry about that damn typo, I must kill autocorrect.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by wkat4242 on Monday July 29, 2024 @07:33PM (#41104717)
Yeah and the Italians always ignore any power limits so you hear them all over the world :)
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @08:29PM (#41115428)
Just maybe they've a penchant or flair for efficient antenna design. ;-)
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by mordae on Sunday July 28, 2024 @06:01PM (#41096298)
It's mostly old guys erecting large antennas to connect their boat anchor tube radios to, from what I read online.

It's a great hobby if you are in it for the actual tech itself. Check out e.g. https://pysdr.org/ for a nice introduction. There is https://www.rtl-sdr.com/ to get you started and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Radio for more advanced stuff.

You don't need a license to listen!

Also, people are doing some crazy stuff: https://pietern.github.io/goestools/guides/minimal_receiver....

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Sunday July 28, 2024 @06:59PM (#41096634)
"It's mostly old guys erecting large antennas to connect their boat anchor tube radios to, from what I read online"

I disagree, it's much more that, far too much to discuss here. A starting point would be to check the ARRL and RSGB handbooks which provide a reasonably comprehensive overview of AR. (Google each for more info.)

There are many more specialist books if you want even more in-depth information.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by teleforce on Sunday July 28, 2024 @09:24PM (#41097295)
You can say that again, for example please check this excellent references by ARRL for radio communications [1].

[1] ARRL Handbook for Radio Communications 100th Edition Six-Volume Set:

https://home.arrl.org/action/Store/Product-Details/productId...

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by JKCalhoun on Sunday July 28, 2024 @07:19PM (#41096752)
> It's mostly old guys erecting large antennas to connect their boat anchor tube radios to...

Old guys? Tube radios? You got my attention.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by mikewarot on Sunday July 28, 2024 @09:14PM (#41097258)
I've got a friend who has been fixing those things since he was a kid in the 1950s... I've been helping him recently, it's an ersatz apprenticeship.

Almost everything is now well beyond economic repair. It's all about emotions and nostalgia for almost all of the gear.

I no longer jump when something smokes or pops, and I know it's usually a good sign, as it helps you figure out where the trouble is. ;-)

I've learned to hate Silver Mica capacitors, and came up with a technique to help track down the noisy ones. (Take out all of the tubes, leave B+ on... measure the voltage across all the resistors, most of them will read 0 volts, if you do get a voltage, check the schematic and see if it's reasonable, if not... there's current flowing to a bad silver-mica cap through it. It really cut down on the time to find issues)

Collins 30S1 amplifiers.... those will always command fear and extreme caution. 3000 volts at a solid Amp will easily burn off limbs, and it will hurt like hell as you watch it happen to you. Or... it'll just kill you, and burn your corpse.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by hilbert42 on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @09:03PM (#41115608)
"I no longer jump when something smokes or pops."

That's the best type of faultfinding, much faster and less tedious than tracking down subtle faults. Locating the source of burning smells and touching resistors to detect excessive heat work well too.

Never had much problem with silver micas, paper and electrolytics are usually much more troublesome.

Re the Collins, I'm very glad I started with high voltage stuff, if it had been the other way around and I'd started with semiconductors I'd likely have electrocuted myself, getting used to low voltage first wouldn't have been a good idea. As it was I was bitten several times, once so badly that I was essentially paralyzed for quite some minutes. That was 850V.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by lightlyused on Sunday July 28, 2024 @07:50PM (#41096898)
Erecting large antennas is not cheap. Up to $20k+ for a small tower (28m) properly done.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by wkjagt on Sunday July 28, 2024 @09:54PM (#41097401)
Old guys are amazing. They have a lot of knowledge and stories to share. I got into ham radio earlier this year, got my license too, and now learning CW (Morse). I've learned so much from these "old guys".
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by II2II on Sunday July 28, 2024 @10:21PM (#41097492)
I think a lot of it depends upon how you are exposed to the stuff. When I started studying more my license, I was interested in the technical side of things and dreaded having to learn Morse. I got lucky in that the requirement was dropped before taking the exam, but it still left a sour taste in my mouth. It also doesn't help when you go to the local hamfest and sizable fraction of the gear on the tables is tube related. It gives the impression that the hobby is not only stuck in the past, it is stuck in the distant past.

Don't get me wrong, I am fascinated by tube computers. Yet that has more to do with being interested in modern computers and having a desire to learn about how we got to where we are today. Without that interest in the contemporary, the historic would have little relevance to me.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by vitaflo on Monday July 29, 2024 @01:41PM (#41102199)
> It's mostly old guys erecting large antennas to connect their boat anchor tube radios to, from what I read online.

It's somewhat unfortunate (but understandable) that the rep ham radio gets is based on a few old dudes talking on HF. Whereas the reality is that the most popular mode in ham radio by far is digital, not voice (namely FT8).

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by resters on Tuesday July 30, 2024 @02:35PM (#41112611)
Mostly ?
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by 0xEF on Monday July 29, 2024 @04:28AM (#41098842)
Ham radio is not that hobby. For example, broadcasting is not allowed, one person-to-person comms. Subverting censorship? Not really. There's no cussing on the air, English only, make your contact to deliver info and move on. Maybe you get a rag chew on a local repeater, but that conversation will be about housework or health problems. Nobody is subverting anything in ham radio, though some of the tacticoolies might pretend they are.

Now, do you want a hobby that lets you explore the physics of antennas, how our atmosphere actually works, build your own experimental low power QRP rig just to see how far you can throw a CW(Morse) signal with a tiny bit of juice, or maybe help set up comms for local events or emergencies? Yes, ham radio is that hobby.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by wkat4242 on Monday July 29, 2024 @04:59AM (#41098978)
English only? Not in Europe, everyone speaks their local language.

Callsigns are generally spelled using the nato Alphabet though.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by 0xEF on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:07AM (#41099013)
That's not in keeping with my experience, even ignoring the fact that I am in North America. I've made hundreds of contacts in the EU during contests and only English was used. Do they perhaps use their native languages on local repeaters? If that is the case, I would not hear it since contesting is done on HF.
Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by wkat4242 on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:16AM (#41099064)
Ah ok yes I'm never on HF. On HF it's more English only due to the many languages here in Europe. Especially during contests of course.

However people do have local chats and ragchews in the local language. It's more the contests that are English only (but that doesn't go any further than "59 good copy. Next."). Which is why I hate contesting, I find It so boring that nobody has time to speak. I have no drive to be a "winner" so I never care about the number of contacts.

In fact most people in the ham demographic here would speak very limited English anyway due to not learning it at school in their days.

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by fullspectrumdev on Monday July 29, 2024 @05:01AM (#41098986)
HAM while playing by the rules is pretty much “not that”, due to ban on encryption and such.

Doesn’t help that the HAM community will more than happily snitch on you if you goof around too much, and licences mean your full dox are publicly searchable (at least in America).

Re:The Rich History of Ham Radio Culture by vitaflo on Monday July 29, 2024 @01:43PM (#41102220)
Hams self-police because our spectrum allocation is a privilege from the government that can be taken away if people don't play by the rules.

Also, a valid address for your license can be a PO Box if you care about your personal details being online.