On some routes you see lots of loose seatbelts (Middle East, Africa). On European flights, everyone has the seatbelt on for the entire flight.
But to play your game, Switzerland and Italy, especially southern Italy, are very different.
And going back to the original intent: would you say driving in Zurich and driving in Naples are two distinct experiences?
I mean, Europe had an iron curtain for decades and that shows at the boundaries.
It’s not uncommon to see a parent riding around with a kid attached to the bike and neither are wearing a helmet.
I think it is kind of a cultural thing as well as convenience. If you ride a bike to the station to catch a train, then you might need storage or to carry it with you.
The bicycle seats for kids are designed in such a way that the only real danger of a head being hit is in the frontal collision, or in a really forceful side one. The design of Dutch streets makes the chance of either happening small enough that the helmets are widely seen as not worth it.
Part of the reason is that because bike usage is so common and the infrastructure is very separate (bike lanes everywhere, no mixed traffic on eg roundabouts), and bikes almost always have right of way and are not to blame in an accident, that drivers are very aware of them. I noticed in countries like Ireland with much less bikes that bike lanes sometimes just end in the middle of a high speed roundabout. And most drivers there have no clue which is in part because until 10 years ago you could just buy a driver's license at the post office. It was a "learner's permit" but it was normal practice to just go and drive.
So yeah in Ireland I wouldn't even ride a bike with a helmet. In Holland I'm much safer even without one.
Whereas you’d be someone with a death wish to be riding without a helmet in most places in the US.
The belt doesn't need to be on tight, but it should be relatively snug.
It's just one of those things that is trivial to do, with a very, very low probability to save you from injury, but costs nothing, so why not...
I don't see any interpretation of that that makes it true.
A belt simply takes that force and redistributes it into the seat frame, if the belt is not worn the force is not redistributed by the belt but rather by your head into the overhead bin
More precisely, while I am falling, my velocity and consequently my momentum relative to the Earth steadily increases, which is analogous to debt because I will eventually need to restore the situation in which my momentum relative to the Earth is zero (because that is how people live their lives: at rest relative to the surface of the Earth rather than for example in orbit).
In the same way, the passenger in the airplane must eventually go back to being at rest relative to the airplane, but if the seat belt is very loose, "debt" (momentum relative to the airliner) can be accumulated before all the slack has been taken out of the seat belt.
Yes, the total amount of impulse (change in momentum caused by the environment's pushing on the person) integrated over time is the same regardless of how tight the seat belt is, but it matters whether that impulse is spread out over time or comes in one big jolt.
The ground opposes the force produced by gravity, there is no accumulation of anything. Gravity accelerates mass when it is pulling it in motion unless there is an equal and opposite force which is the normal force exerted by the ground (or airplane)
If you're harness is loose, or your line is slack without an energy absorber, it'll break your back when you fall!
This may just be me becoming more aware of it, but, if so, I'm also becoming more aware of more passengers actually heeding the advice. I remember, not that long ago, most people removing their seatbelts as soon as the light went out. Not so common now.
It makes you wonder why they ever even turn off the seatbelt light. Just keep it on the whole time, just like the equally anachronistic no-smoking light.
I feel like the light is just there to mollify the older generations who didn't grow up with mandatory seat belts wearing in cars, fought those laws loudly, and are still bitter that the government makes them take a sensible safety precaution. Are there enough of those people still flying that it makes sense to keep that light in use?
Of course they don't always get it right both ways: Sometimes reports of turbulence ahead turn out to be false positives, and at other times, strong turbulence can happen without any warning.
There are entire states in the US that take that approach. Live free or die and all that.
So free.
Which ones? Rust belt? Flyover zone (or some such term)?
To tell you when it's relatively safe/not so safe to use the bathroom.
Might not be great for my thumbs in that kind of situation though...
So it's a bit like "why don't people wear a welding mask while cooking?" It was never even a risk that I had considered before.
Your kitchen does not have staff telling you to make sure you are wearing a welding mask. It may also lack appropriate indicator lamps that tell you when it is a good time to wear your welding mask. It is also not standard practice in all kitchens.
It’s actually not like airplane seatbelts at all, where they are ubiquitous and the risks of not wearing them are fairly well-documented.
Why would the FAA and other aviation regulatory agencies care about your phone bill?
The motivation is supposedly cellphones at high altitudes interfering with far-away cell towers that are reusing the same frequency at a distance that would normally make interference very unlikely, given the radio horizon and everything.
I highly doubt that that would still be an issue modern networks couldn't handle (also given that most other countries don't have a corresponding law on their books, as far as I know), yet here we are.
[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/22.925
[2] https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/...
> cents-per-megabyte isn't unheard of.
If only! Double-digit dollars per 100 kilobyte aren't unheard of.
I've definitely noticed a proliferation of warning notices and signs in the US (and I don't just mean the Californian chemical hazard warnings in the most bizarre/unavoidable locations like a jet bridge), with the really important ones usually reiterated by a human standing next to them, continuously shouting the same instruction, apparently because people don't seem to take them seriously otherwise.
It’s not that hard to follow instructions. There aren’t that many, and almost all flights have the exact same ones. If you don’t want to learn about getting tossed around like a rag doll at 40k feet that’s fine, just do what the crew tells you to do and you’ll be ok.
I didn’t have any headphones on. At first it felt a little bit overboard, but with events like this turbulence happening, I can see the need for it.
The advice to wear your seat belt throughout the flight are hardly clear and emphatic. They often make it sound like something they have to say to cover their asses. There's certainly no clear comms around the risk of death and serious injury.
I have no idea in this case whether the indicators went on in time but I obviously wasn't arguing in favour of ignoring those.
> the risks of not wearing them are fairly well-documented.
Where? Where would I have seen this documentation? I'm 53 and I have no recollection of stumbling across it.
(also - please reconsider your tone next time. It feels like you're trying to get me riled up)
Seat belts in cars also contain several CYA-grade chimes and buzzers. The owner manual may mention risk of injury or death. Likely an airline's contract of carriage contains the same. I suspect both are read as often and as eagerly by their users.
I think the multiple "off tone" messages you're getting are in response to your use of ignorance as a defense for ignoring airplane crew instructions.
Unless I come from an alternate universe - most people wear their seatbelt during take-off and landing and when the seatbelt light comes on.
I wear mine through most of the flight but I only started doing this fairly recently because I learned more about turbulence.
I'm not defending ignorance at all. I'm simply describing how poorly the risks are communicated and the reality that most people I've observed don't wear seatbelts for the entire duration of a flight unless the warning light comes on.
At some level, take their mandated-by-regulations word for it? -- these regs are written in blood, and they say to buckle your belt, not only when the sign is lighted, but also any time when seated at your seat.
Boeing has done a good job of reminding us of some non-turbulence reasons to buckle up. You might also get sucked out of an unsecured exit door plug on a 737. :) I haven't heard that one mentioned in a safety brief yet.
In the pilot circles I frequent, the joke about seatbelts is that it helps accident investigators more easily count the deceased among the wreckage. So there's some YOLO fuel for your next trip. This was a freak occurrence. It's sad and it sucks. The injuries to passengers were likely preventable -- less so the cabin crew. New word is that the fatality was a cardiac event -- no belt buckle helps anyone there.
In this case, a seat belt would have likely saved the person - heavily injuring yourself is quite traumatic (tautologically) which increases the risk of cardiac events. In any case, injuries due to turbulence are extremely common as far as injuries in airliners go.
I mean, I don’t really know how to say it without sounding like a git. This is simply what you do. What “everyone” does, for a loose definition of everyone. The “everyone” that wears seatbelts in a car, for example.
Genuine question: you know you should wear seatbelts if traveling in the rear seats of a car as well, yes ?
And I religiously wear one in a car - just like any sane person.
I'm really sorry not to be the strawman that people in this thread seem to be craving.
> Where? Where would I have seen this documentation? I'm 53 and I have no recollection of stumbling across it.
Besides the bright "buckle your belt" sign in front of you and the little leaflet that says "buckle your belt" at arms reach ?
https://www.travelandleisure.com/thmb/K-qKcdwWTPYlcarQsYPkR3...
There's some weird disconnect in this thread. People seem to be completely misinterpreting me at every step.
It’s not like the pilots can see a giant messy region of air up ahead. Sometimes they’ll know the flight overall will be rough and can warn you but generally most times they tell you to fasten your seat belts some turbulence has already happened.
A plane the other day dove suddenly out of nowhere. Less recently a door plug blew off a plane and nobody was sucked out thanks to seatbelts. Before that, a flight departing Hawaii fell a few hundred feet without warning shortly after takeoff. These all happened very publicly and with widespread media coverage.
Frankly, if you fly a few times a year and never wear your belt you’ll probably be fine. But it takes zero effort and doesn’t need to be strapped particularly tight to be effective. There’s essentially zero reason not to wear it and it can save your life.
Sometimes you just have to use a little of your own intelligence.
I can't remember the last time I was on a plane where they didn't recommend keeping a seatbelt on at all times.
Here is the BA brief saying to do just that time 1:55: https://youtu.be/gBGbDQbwzWU?si=5KS4LTEcDmtQKJH_
Here is the United one where they mention it at 0:30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2LSKVAH4WA
I can't imagine anything more clear than starting the seatbelt briefing: "It is important to have your safety belt on at all times"
They end it with: "In case of unexpected turbulence keep your seatbelt fastened, even when the seatbelt sign is off."
Its literally the first and last things that United tells you about your seatbelt.
(Because instead of implying that the safety device is absurd, it implies that some people ignore the obvious)
I just always wear my seatbelt per the flight attendants' instructions, "keep your seatbelts fastened while seated" is a recommendation in every flight I've ever taken in my life.
And thanks for insulting me when it seems to be an issue with your reading comprehension.
More accurate would be something like:
"The chef instructor telks us every time we cook this flaming oil dish that can flame over unpredictably at any time so we should wear the welding helmet whenever possible. And I didn't bother and found it surprising."
Seriously, they tell us EVERY TIME ti wear seat belts at all times when seated. They don't do it just to annoy, confuse, or mislead the passengers. The only surprising thing to me is that such deaths are not more frequent. Despite efforts to predict turbulence, the forces at play when flying 600mph are insane in relation to the human body.
We need to respect that, because physics really DGAF about our opinions.
Look at that one for example, the few people who had belt will most likely be fine, on the other hand people without belts got thrown around like ragdolls and many died: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldfgEJpIgKM&rco=1
If you have any stories about people that died on an airplane more than once, do tell :)
Cattling statistics like this is silly.
If you showed fat people images of obesity and said that they'd be healthier if they lost their weight, you would also cattle the statistics and look at how many fat people decided to suicide versus how many took the advice (or didn't)? What a dumb way to construct advice.
I always find it amusing that the moment the seat-belts light goes off everyone unbuckles across the plane
> "Some people hit their heads on the baggage cabins overhead and dented it, they hit the places where lights and masks are and broke straight through it."
That's why I try to keep my seatbelt on at all times, ever since I went through some rough turbulences on my way to Dubai (layover)