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Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by wavelander on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:05PM (#40361154)
Altman's tweet (https://x.com/sama/status/1790518031640347056?s=46) makes it seem as if he wanted to stay, and Ilya disagreed and "chose" to depart. Very interesting framing.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by peppertree on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:18PM (#40361242)
Since it's all in proper casing I'm going to assume he wrote it with chatgpt.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by TechDebtDevin on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:20PM (#40361264)
Good observation lol.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by xmonkee on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:55PM (#40361496)
He used “easily one of the greatest minds of our generation” for two different people in the same message. 100% ai generated
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by fsckboy on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:03PM (#40361550)
it said one was "easily one of the greatest", and it said the second was "also easily one of the greatest"... it's puffery but it's not an awkward or mindless formulation.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by willsmith72 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:08PM (#40361583)
doesn't read like chatgpt to me, but i certainly wouldn't call it good quality writing
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by mewpmewp2 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:27PM (#40362113)
AI or GPT usually doesn't repeat like that. Although it usually is easy to tell if something is GPT.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by throwitaway222 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:59PM (#40362308)
They probably avoid making it look like their writing is written with chatgpt.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by mewpmewp2 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @07:55PM (#40373754)
I thought so, but they must've changed a lot then. In any case it's not like the type of message they wrote is something special, and it's just usual polite PR.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by behnamoh on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:39PM (#40362179)
He also literally mentioned Ilya's personal project; something that ChatGPT would do (it repeats parts of the prompt).
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by rezonant on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:13PM (#40362382)
Or GPT-5 went rogue, took out the senior staff, and is running the game now, Westworld style.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by gdiamos on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:14AM (#40363030)
Ironically built by Ilya
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by ugh123 on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:38AM (#40363153)
Real life Miles Dyson
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by nialv7 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:45PM (#40361444)
It could be a PR statement, it could also be genuine. From outside looking in there's no way to know, so I will just pretend this tweet doesn't exist.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by baobabKoodaa on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:04PM (#40361964)
It's PR for sure. A genuine announcement would have addressed the elephant in the room.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by djbusby on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:19PM (#40362070)
Sorry, which elephant?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by Apocryphon on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:44PM (#40362209)
That this was an employee who conspired against him in a failed palace coup
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by WiSaGaN on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:42PM (#40362547)
At the time, Sam was more powerful than Ilya for sure. But framing their relationship as employee/employer when they were both in the board seems not correct.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @11:02PM (#40362650)
I think calling it a "palace coup" gives it an inappropriate framing of what happened.

I definitely think that how the board handled the situation was very inept, and I think the naivety over the blowback they would receive was one of the most surprising things for me. But after reading more about the details of what happened, and particularly writings and interviews given by the former board members, I don't think any of them did this out of any particular lust for power, or even as some sort of payback for a grudge. It seemed like all of them had real, valid concerns over Sam's leadership. Did those concerns warrant Sam's firing? From what I've read, I'm of the opinion they didn't, but obviously as just some rando on the Internet, what do I know. But I do think that there were substantive issues in question, and calling it a "palace coup" diminishes these valid concerns in my mind.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by Apocryphon on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:08AM (#40363954)
I'm not moralizing. There are palace coups that are justified.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by 8note on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @11:35PM (#40362823)
Sam's employer is who, the US taxpayer?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by chimney on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:19PM (#40361256)
PR statement. After nearly being ousted, I'm sure Sam is relieved to have a thorn removed from his side.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by nwoli on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:58PM (#40361516)
Personally I don’t trust much of anything sam says, so I’d take any framing with a large grain of salt
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by behnamoh on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:40PM (#40362194)
> a large grain of salt

You mean a lump of salt? I've always wondered what the right word is to describe this amount of salt /!jk

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by __MatrixMan__ on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:59PM (#40362307)
I've been offered a "lump" of sugar before, and it was not a single sugar crystal. When I hear "large grain of salt" I imagine something like this https://crystalverse.com/sodium-chloride-crystals/, quite different than a lump.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by behnamoh on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:13PM (#40362378)
Those huge salt cubes are so fascinating! New side project added to the list...
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by sebastiennight on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:56PM (#40369464)
That is absolutely brillant and will make a fantastic week-long father-daughter science project. Thanks.

Now back to figuring out something new for a 6-year old to program using Scratch...

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by __MatrixMan__ on Thursday May 16, 2024 @11:13AM (#40379400)
I'm 37 and it's also going to make a great me-me project.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by noufalibrahim on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:39PM (#40362531)
I usually use "a few bags of salt" to imply that I don't trust the source.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by __d on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:19AM (#40363067)
perhaps a "mountain of salt" in this case?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by petesergeant on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:32PM (#40362492)
A pinch of salt
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jiveturkey on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:26AM (#40363095)
a highway road side storage yard of salt
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by yumraj on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:46AM (#40363191)
Boulder?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by blitzar on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @01:56AM (#40363541)
A handful of salt
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by zombiwoof on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:57PM (#40361509)
Altman is the biggest con artist in tech.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by mikeg8 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:16PM (#40361641)
Exactly. He’s only founded and led a company that’s built some of the most easily adoptable and exciting innovations in human-computer interactions in the last decade. Total fraud!
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by blibble on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:28PM (#40361718)
and which company would that be?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by tortilla on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:57PM (#40361913)
Loopt
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by greenthrow on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:13PM (#40362021)
And WorldCoin.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by coffeebeqn on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:09PM (#40361999)
What’s the con? Aren’t they constantly delivering frontier models?
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by FrustratedMonky on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @11:42PM (#40362873)
Agree with the sentiment.

But Sam as 'conman' might just be the impression because he is more on the promotion/marketing side.

I've been under the impression that Ilya is the brains. So this seems bad for long term growth.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by Nasrudith on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @11:38PM (#40362852)
I would say specifically the sort of chuunibyou cringe endemic to"AI safety" of claiming that their models are an existential threat.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by baq on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @03:15AM (#40363996)
Con artist is a bad description. The guy is legit dangerous. He's not after swindling you out of your money, that wouldn't be worth it.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by selcuka on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:57PM (#40361508)
Someone has already tried doing that, and it's pretty close:

https://twitter.com/eli_schein/status/1790520139164614820

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jonathankoren on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:41PM (#40361422)
Nah. It’s same platitudes that’s always said when a someone high profile is fired.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by rl3 on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:53PM (#40361483)
> Ilya is easily one of the greatest minds of our generation ...

> Jakub is also easily one of the greatest minds of our generation ...

Phew, I was worried he'd be irreplaceable or something. Hopefully they've already standardized the comp package.

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by data_maan on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:47PM (#40362571)
Easily the most plat of all platitudes of our generation
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by johnbellone on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @08:23PM (#40361682)
He’s got a good PR team.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by Handy-Man on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:11PM (#40361195)
While he does say, he is leaving for some personal and meaningful project, let’s see what it ends up being.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by kunley on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:34PM (#40361369)
That "personal and meaningful" can just mean anything.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jonathankoren on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @07:40PM (#40361412)
More like hustle culture’s “spend more time with the family”
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jumpCastle on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @09:30PM (#40362132)
Spend more time with my side projects.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by apantel on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:22PM (#40362438)
It’s too nice. Nobody is this nice. It’s like Truman Show nice.
Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by data_maan on Tuesday May 14, 2024 @10:44PM (#40362553)
This was easily the most PR tweet of our generation.

The fact Ilya himself tweeted about it too was also easily the most PR tweet of our generation.

:D

Re:Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI by jiveturkey on Wednesday May 15, 2024 @12:28AM (#40363103)
Yeah, like when Cheney shot Harry Whittington and it was Whittington that apologized.