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Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by bdowling on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:16PM (#37238311)
> “If you want to use images produced by Human Generator in commercial projects, contact us.”

If there is no copyright in AI-generated images, then how can they possibly enforce this?

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by Philpax on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:20PM (#37238353)
There haven't been any solid rulings on the copyright validity of human-driven AI generation yet. There have been a few cases, but they've been muddied by complicating factors (not a human doing the generation - that is, autonomous generation - or the generation being used as a base work for something else).

Additionally, even if there's no copyright, the terms of service may still apply separately (see OpenAI disallowing training a competitor model on output from OpenAI models)

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by basch on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:50PM (#37238823)
A copyright is a government granted monopoly. The copyright office has stated they wont grant monopoly privilege for ai generated art. The courts thus far have backed them up.

I would say it doesnt look good at the moment for to try and enforce ownership of something ai generated, it would be an uphill battle, and the default/null position would be that the art is free to use, and unprotected by government.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @02:26PM (#37240186)
> The copyright office has stated they wont grant monopoly privilege for ai generated art.

No, they haven't.

They've said that if the only human input is a text prompt, then it lacks the required human creativity to be eligible for copyright protection.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by tomcam on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:24PM (#37240951)
Not trying to be combative, but I don't see the difference?
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:47PM (#37241196)
Real AI imagegen workflows very often have more input from the human creating the image than a text prompt.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by basch on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @04:51PM (#37241702)
seems a little circular semantically. if it has significant human input its human generated moreso than ai generated, in which case we are saying the same thing.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by tomcam on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @10:22PM (#37244336)
Textures, sample images, something like that?
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by Philpax on Thursday August 24, 2023 @04:10AM (#37246251)
ControlNet offers a wide variety of additional input sources: https://stable-diffusion-art.com/controlnet/#Preprocessors_a...
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by EMIRELADERO on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:59PM (#37238943)
> Additionally, even if there's no copyright, the terms of service may still apply separately (see OpenAI disallowing training a competitor model on output from OpenAI models)

Aren't contract clauses that relate to the distribution of material preempted by the copyright act?

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @06:43PM (#37242857)
> Aren't contract clauses that relate to the distribution of material preempted by the copyright act?

Generally, no. It's possible for there to be interactions in some cases, but the Copyright Act wouldn't generally preempt contract terms. (Its closer to the other way around, in that—to the extent copyright rights exist that could otherwise be enforced—a relevant contract will generally limit enforcement and recover to breach of contract rather than bare copyright action.)

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by tzs on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @02:22PM (#37240124)
No. However contract clauses only apply to people who are actually parties to the contract.

For example you and I could enter into a contract for me to use AI to generate something that is not copyrightable from data you provide and give you a copy of that thing. There would in general be no legal problem if the contract included restrictions on what you could do with that thing, including restrictions on distributing it.

Part of the quid pro quo of a contract can be one party giving up a right to do something that they would normally have a right to do.

Now suppose the contract did allow you to make and distribute copies as part of your product. Someone else starts making copies of those copies you distributed and distributing those copies.

There is no contract between me and that person, so I would not be able to stop them. I've got no contract with them, and the thing is not copyrighted, so there's nothing that prevents them from copying it.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by cush on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:32PM (#37239402)
I don’t think we’re going to see a ruling against copyright in the long term. When the rulings do come, they’re going to be complex (not that copyright law isn’t already complex). As prompting and working with AIs slowly becomes its own art and skill, it will become clear that works need protection. We’ve had “intelligent” filters and tools in Photoshop for decades, this is just the next step in that evolution.

The only real problem here is that the original creators of the art that these AIs were trained on didn’t consent to this type of use and aren’t getting any kind of attribution or payment. If they were recognized and compensated, there’d be really nothing to talk about here - any work could be copyrighted, with whatever derivative status the AI bakes in.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by bookofjoe on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @02:34PM (#37240302)
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by space_fountain on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @02:50PM (#37240498)
I believe that as the article says despite the headline this case was specifically about a situation where a computer scientist wanted to list the AI as the one creating the work. The case doesn't examine an argument that things can be copyrighted when a human is involved either by filtering the output or even just by developing the algorithm involved and thus the human is the artist and the AI is just a tool. I think what's clear is that legally AI can't itself create a copy righted work just like a camera can't be listed as the author of a work, but it's not clear if a human using AI as a tool either through prompting or filtering counts as a creative act under copyright or if AI generated creations count as derivative works of the models weights.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by fnordpiglet on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:37PM (#37238640)
There are lots of tools that don’t have copyrightable output that require commercial licensing to use.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by HPsquared on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:36PM (#37238626)
Does this apply to any photo taken by a camera with "AI" filters? There must be a line somewhere.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by HWR_14 on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:42PM (#37238708)
The current line is not based on a maximum AI input but a minimum human input. You aimed the camera, your copyright. You have an AI just create fake pictures and post them without someone in the loop, no copyright. The questions are mostly about how little you have to do.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by pbjtime on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:58PM (#37238926)
While that may be the status today, I feel this is in no way settled.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by disembiggen on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:25PM (#37238443)
if there were, globally, no copyright at all in any "ai" generated images, and one confidently thought there never would be, then simply using the images, in the case that one only needed one or two images, would probably be fine.

however if there were large nations in which the law was still in flux or unclear, or one wanted to generate new images on the fly without fear of rate-limiting or refusal of service, then one would potentially wish to work out an arrangement.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by wrs on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:20PM (#37238354)
They could do it with a click-through license agreement, but they don’t have one of those either. So it seems to have the legal force of a polite request. (IANAL)
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by acosmism on Thursday August 24, 2023 @01:48AM (#37245448)
I am thinking out loud so here it goes - How will they have the bandwidth to identify and pursue every person using a generated image in commercial use. i respect and understand legalese around terms of service copyright etc but - seriously. how would any company just starting in this space enforce “terms and services”? serious question. Until there is a concrete and - let me emphasize, “cheap and generally available” solution to legally moderating AI generated content - feels to me like it’s the wild west. be real
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by sudobash1 on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @12:23PM (#37238402)
There are still terms of use, which can dictate how you are allowed to use a website. And there are watermarks in the corners.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by notpachet on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:16PM (#37239160)
We can probably AI those out.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by caturopath on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:09PM (#37239064)
> If there is no copyright in AI-generated images, then how can they possibly enforce this?

We don't have precedent here. Whether a person using a website with a generative AI tool counts as having a non-human creator isn't clear, and it seems to me like the answer is that it does have a human creator. Using a horse-hair brush to paint a painting doesn't mean that the painting was created by a horse and isn't subject to copyright. We'll have to find out eventually whether over a dozen settings, some with a gazillion options, and multiple freeform inputs counts as 'not created by a human'.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by wredue on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:21PM (#37239229)
Was there not just precedent set for this?

The horse hair example is nonsense. One might argue that artists take inspiration from other artists to make the argument that what the AI is doing is fine. But the ai is actually only capable of blending what it’s been trained on, whereas an artist is not similarly limited. And this is how the horse hair sample is stupid.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @02:44PM (#37240430)
> Was there not just precedent set for this?

No, there was a recent case where someone tried to claim an AI as an author for copyright and themselves as owner via work for hire, where it was ruled invalid because AI can’t be an author under copyright law; the ruling was explicit that it was not addressing copyrightability by humans of images they create using an AI generator as a tool, only the claim of copyright with AI as the author.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by caturopath on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @06:55PM (#37242972)
> Was there not just precedent set for this?

No.

> One might argue that artists take inspiration from other artists to make the argument that what the AI is doing is fine.

This doesn't seem to address what I took to be the relevant part of IP law - that non-human authors don't create copyrighted works. It was a reductio ad absurdum for minimal non-human involvement. It's probably not the case that a monkey stealing your camera and taking a selfie creates a copyrighted work. It's probably the case that a frog triggering a motion sensor you set up for nature photography does. It's certain painting normally with a horsehair brush does.

Your remarks seem to make some sort of moral appeal, but I'm not sure how it ties into the legal concerns I thought was being raised.

> the ai is actually only capable of blending what it’s been trained on, whereas an artist is not similarly limited.

I'm not sure what "blending" means here or what the actual theories of generative art ML systems and of humans here are. To call what the former do "blending" requires such a broad definition I can't tell you if humans are blending as well (at least some of the time, at least materially) when creating works.

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by jejeyyy77 on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:27PM (#37239303)
they can't.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by gumballindie on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:50PM (#37239660)
Question is why would anyone want to use this since it's so buggy.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by TehCorwiz on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @01:52PM (#37239687)
Adobe Fusion 360 education edition limits what I can create with it to non commercial uses only. Despite me owning the copyright for what I produce using it. I don’t think you have it right.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by dragonwriter on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @02:28PM (#37240217)
Its terms of use of the site, you are offered use of their geneator in exchange for agreeing not to use it commercially. If you use it commercially, you are breaking those terms, which they will argue are an enforceable contract. Copyright has nothing to do with it.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by mitthrowaway2 on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:03PM (#37240683)
But what if you use the generator, post the image in an allowed non-commercial context, and then I copy that image and use it commercially? I have no contract with the AI generator company, and you didn't violate yours; it would seem to me that the violation involved is a copyright violation.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by behringer on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @04:41PM (#37241627)
100 percent legal to use the generated images as freely as you like in that case.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by phyzome on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @03:24PM (#37240950)
As of now, copyright of AI-generated images is not a settled matter. But I think smart money is on the courts coming down on the side of copyright being applicable.

(If you're thinking of the recent court case, no, that was unrelated; some guy was trying to pull a stunt and the court did not actually rule on the thing you think they did.)

Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by servercobra on Wednesday August 23, 2023 @06:02PM (#37242442)
Do you have a link or something re: your second point for those of us who might not know?
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by phyzome on Friday August 25, 2023 @06:57PM (#37268072)
No. But courts have continued to rule that new technologies allow humans to create works of art that fall under copyright, and I don't see why they wouldn't continue to do so.
Re:AI Real-Time Human Full-Body Photo Generator by Lockal on Thursday August 24, 2023 @05:55AM (#37246962)
Legal consequences of using photos of identifiable people are not limited by copyright[1]. For example, it is quite easy to assume that photos from this service will be used for political defamation, among other things.

How could they enforce it? For example, by embedding a steganographic tag, by which human rights activists will be able to identify the author of the picture.

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Photographs_of_id...