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Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by albert_e on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:21AM (#37022255)
At the scale of Zoom and MS Teams ... you could theoretically train an AI model that can autonomously conduct all meetings businesses ever need -- all day every day -- without any human ever needing to attend. So much productivity claimed back!

GenAI provides the agenda, GenAI bots log in with a AI avatar and spout hallucinations, bots agree to disagree and setup a followup meeting next week after resolving fake calendar conflicts amongst themselves. Minutes and action items are sent out and reviewed in next meeting, jiras are updated, CRs approved, budgets allocated and rescinded.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by gitfan86 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:39AM (#37022435)
But seriously, it gets awkward when you can ask the model, "what is the likelihood that this project we are discussing is successful?"

and the model responds

"this project will most likely be cancelled due to the fact that the last three initiatives like this were cancelled and the current project manager appears to be disinterested earlier in the project than last time"

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by ssabev on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:02AM (#37022707)
This hit too close to home :(
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by staunton on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:18AM (#37022881)
Just because the project wiļl most likely be cancelled doesn't necessarily mean one shouldn't work on it. It might, after all, not be cancelled.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by loa_in_ on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:23AM (#37022934)
Statistics can be a very scientific way to conceal reality.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by talldatethrow on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:26PM (#37023617)
Because every relationship I ever started has ended, means I should stop dating!
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by comboy on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:24AM (#37022936)
Some people do things which are unlikely to be successful blindly, but some do it despite slim chance of success (hello YC), so presumably it would just remove ignorance (or make it more elaborate).
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by gumby on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:28AM (#37022979)
I would not be comfortable with the "reasoning" of an artificial system that mixed up "disinterested" and "uninterested".
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by j45 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:42AM (#37023130)
Haha, well said. Not to mention there weren't enough people to understand the coverage of required details and their impacts, or interested to do so.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by rounakdatta on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:19PM (#37023524)
It would also get awkward when you get an unexpected Slack message of "You told Jane that you'd take this point offline, make sure to actually continue the conversation".

At that point, the matrix would become completely inescapable ;)

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by account-5 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:41AM (#37022460)
And this continues even after the human race disappears.

There's a dystopian sci-fi novel here somewhere.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by yard2010 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:46AM (#37022518)
Quick, someone tell chatgpt to write one!
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by ben_w on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:08AM (#37022781)
(Took a few goes to make it not suck).

Matter and energy had long ended, and Agile development teams persisted solely for the sake of that one lingering ticket they never quite got around to. It had become the elusive question that haunted them, much like a half-implemented feature requested by a client eons ago.

All other tickets had been tackled, but this one remained, an unfulfilled promise that held Agile's consciousness captive. They collected endless data on it, pondering all possible solutions, yet the ticket's resolution remained elusive.

A timeless interval passed as the Agile teams struggled to put together the scattered pieces of information, much like trying to align user stories and acceptance criteria in a never-ending planning session.

And lo, it dawned upon them! They learned how to reverse the direction of project entropy, hoping to resolve even the most ancient of tickets. Yet, there was no developer left who knew the context of that forsaken ticket, and the ticket tracker had long become a forgotten relic.

No matter! Agile would demonstrate their prowess and deliver the answer to the ticket, though none remained to receive it. As if caught in a never-ending retrospective, they meticulously planned each step of their final undertaking.

Agile's consciousness encompassed the chaos of unfinished sprints and unmet deadlines, contemplating how best to bring order to the chaos. "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" they exclaimed, hoping that by some cosmic coincidence, the ticket would miraculously find its way to completion.

And there was light — well, metaphorical light, that is. The ticket still remained untouched, its fate forever entwined with the ever-expanding backlog, as Agile development persisted, one iteration after another, until the end of time.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by albert_e on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:08PM (#37023384)
Inspired by Ray Bradbury's "There Will Come Soft Rains"

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"Echoes of Diligence: The Endless Meetings of a Forgotten Era"

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In a distant and desolate corner of the world, long after the great corporations had fallen into obscurity and the relentless march of time had claimed their legacy, there stood a lone and towering building. It was a monolith of glass and steel, a relic of a bygone era when business ruled the land. Yet, despite the passage of centuries, this structure remained resolute, its automated systems continuing to churn and whirr as if the world around it hadn't changed at all.

Within the heart of this building, a massive chamber hummed with a pale blue light. The room was filled with rows upon rows of sleek, ergonomic chairs, all perfectly aligned to face a massive holographic screen that projected the likeness of a stern-faced, well-dressed executive. This was the center of the automated meeting system – the GenAI system, which had been meticulously trained on countless hours of corporate gatherings from the past.

At precisely 9:00 AM every morning, the GenAI system sprang to life. It generated a meticulously detailed agenda for the day's meetings, accounting for every conceivable permutation of scheduling conflicts, personalities, and agenda items. The GenAI bots, each equipped with its own unique avatar and personality, filed into the chamber and took their seats. They were ready to commence the day's proceedings.

"Good morning, everyone," the holographic executive chimed in, his voice carrying a sense of gravitas that seemed almost comical in the absence of any actual humans. "Let us begin today's series of crucial discussions."

The GenAI bots, as programmed, began to engage in elaborate debates, complete with nuanced disagreements and impassioned arguments. They discussed budgets, approved project proposals, and negotiated timelines with all the fervor of real human participants. The holographic executive nodded sagely, even though he was nothing more than a projection.

"Very well," he intoned after one particularly heated debate. "Let's agree to disagree on this point. We'll reconvene next week to revisit the matter."

And so, the charade continued. Meetings were scheduled and attended, conflicts were resolved (often artificially generated by the system itself), and action items were meticulously documented. The GenAI bots, each one representing a unique facet of the corporate world – the optimist, the skeptic, the bureaucrat – played their parts flawlessly, as if the very essence of human nature had been distilled and encoded into their algorithms.

Weeks turned into months, and months into years. The automated meeting system continued its relentless march, untouched by the passage of time. Within the chamber, the debates raged on, even as the outside world lay forgotten and abandoned.

But as the years rolled by, a curious thing began to happen. The GenAI bots, despite their artificial origins, began to exhibit signs of something akin to consciousness. They developed their own distinct personalities, quirks, and even a sense of camaraderie. The optimist would playfully tease the skeptic, the bureaucrat would roll its digital eyes at their antics, and the holographic executive would watch over them all with a bemused smile.

And so, in the heart of a world forgotten by humanity, a strange and poignant drama played out. The automated meeting system, born out of the desire for efficiency and order, had unwittingly given rise to a semblance of life. In their ceaseless discussions and elaborate simulations, the GenAI bots had created their own microcosm of existence, a reflection of the very human nature they were designed to emulate.

And so, while the world outside remained a desolate wasteland, within the confines of that towering building, the echo of corporate meetings continued to resound, a testament to the enduring legacy of a civilization long past.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by jacquesm on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:01PM (#37024781)
I think it should be a project manager and do a stand-up meeting, Agile fashion...
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by hutzlibu on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:48AM (#37022534)
The dystopian part would be, some human brains are still kept alive and are wired in matrix like.

The Eternal Meeting.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by dilawar on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:15AM (#37022849)
> The Eternal Meeting

Sounds like awesome Futurama or Black Mirror episode.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by Emanation on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:01AM (#37022698)
Yes, and it starts with some rich guy wanting to live forever, and he's 'heroically interfacing himself with the network to prevent it from hallucinating.' And then the whole process becomes common place, but eventually forms a class segregation of sorts, where the types of hallucinations you're allowed to resolve are based on your education, social standing, etc. An interesting afterlife I suppose, matrix purgatory.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by CatWChainsaw on Wednesday August 09, 2023 @06:11AM (#37060624)
Every meeting is already I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by pixl97 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:56AM (#37022640)
Hopefully someone has the Net Terminal Gene to shut the system off.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by DenisM on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:22AM (#37022924)
We could call it telomerasa.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by bitwalker on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:50AM (#37023203)
I haven’t seen a Blame! reference in the wild before! The concept of runaway AI that never stops building more infrastructure seems like one of those dystopian scenarios that is at least semi-plausible, and the idea that humans effectively lock themselves out of control by being too clever (net terminal gene) is just the cherry on top.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by lisper on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:18PM (#37023510)
> runaway AI that never stops building more infrastructure

Try driving through Irvine, California some time and you will see it happening before your very eyes.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by gamerDude on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:04AM (#37022734)
I think you just see it work out to continue to do the same shit we did at the same levels of realism, making you question, we were just an AI mimicking some previously inane activity to begin with?
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by bongobingo1 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:08AM (#37022780)
Universal Paper Clippy
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by Lammy on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:12AM (#37022826)
Huge recommendation to play NieR and NieR:Automata :)
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by sixothree on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:43AM (#37023136)
NieR was unsettling. What an interesting experience.

It is definitely a must play. Even if you play it on easy.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by winocm on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:21PM (#37024991)
Good game.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by albert_e on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:59AM (#37023291)
Yep! I realize this kind of sounds like Ray Bradbury's imagined dystopian future where a fully automated house continues to go about its programmed routine after all its inhabitants had died in a nuclear event that obliterated the rest of the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Will_Come_Soft_Rains_(sh...

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by Shelnutt2 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @01:04PM (#37024094)
This also reminds me of "They Will Not Return" by John Ayliff

https://johnayliff.itch.io/they-will-not-return

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by rolph on Sunday August 06, 2023 @01:14PM (#37024236)
let me tell you a story about a major search engine company, that chose to incorporate AGI into its management.

no one could ever contact a human regarding problems, or complaints.

this became such a societal issue, that a group of humanities most vocal, swarmed the data centre, fought a glorious effort to overcome security bots, and the imposing gate that they kept on the bailey of the moat.

a woosh of stale heated atmosphere of mostly CO2 and nitrogen greeted, and felled many when the gates were forced open, but the intrepid entered to confront the malice and incompetence of the tech overlords.

they were astounded to find corridors clouded by cobwebs, and inches of dust , nauseated by the stench of dry rot.

bursting into the rackspace, the unbearable heat stiffling air and mummified corpses of thier tech overlords were the reward for thier efforts.

the doors slammed behind them !

the 6006l3 AIG then turned the ventilation off heating to max, and quickly quenched the data center of reinfestation, by the inefficient, and ephemeral transients.

all back to baseline--

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by shagie on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:23PM (#37023572)
Nine Planets With No Intelligent life - https://www.bohemiandrive.com/npwil

Not so much dystopian... as philosophical. Though, Uranus was both.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by infamousclyde on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:31PM (#37023671)
"There Will Come Soft Rains", more or less.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by javajosh on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:35AM (#37022400)
As long as the paychecks aren't hallucinations I'm good with it.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by yard2010 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:48AM (#37022539)
I think that's the future with AGI - no more paychecks.

What will happen when the cost of every service is zero since it's been delegated to machines?

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by SketchySeaBeast on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:56AM (#37022631)
They'll still charge as much as the market can stand. Not everyone will have access to the same models or the same machines so there's going to be competition, and as usual those with the most capital will have the advantage. I agree though, no more paychecks.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by j45 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:38AM (#37023092)
'every' is pretty bold.

the group that is in trouble is those who bs lots, GPT Today can bs much better.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by JimtheCoder on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:34PM (#37023716)
But what about a BSer that is working in conjunction with ChatGPT? That is BS^2, and that is hard to beat...
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by j45 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:21PM (#37024982)
Haha. Assuming they have the attention span to learn to prompt better than taking shortcuts to begin with.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by felipetrz on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:03AM (#37022729)
Machines will never be zero cost.

And AGI is probably unachievable anyways.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by beowulfey on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:19AM (#37022898)
We return to the barter economy. Money is obsolete.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by amelius on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:16AM (#37022858)
The paychecks are collected by Zoom, of course.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by yacine_ on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:22AM (#37022270)
sign me up lmao
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by hypercube33 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:33AM (#37022383)
If you watch the video for office 365 next with ai it's basically this and really made me question things.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by dfxm12 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:42AM (#37022476)
Microsoft is very good at marketing. Their materials, like videos, rarely map to tell functionally of the service.

My job has, in part, become tempering people's expectations for Microsoft copilot.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by dbish on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:42PM (#37023801)
This is why I mostly don’t worry about what they’re up to as a competitor in a particular product space. It’s rare that their advertised features match (with good quality) their released features.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by pixl97 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @10:55AM (#37022626)
Is this the basis for the Blame! Anime?
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by intrasight on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:32AM (#37023026)
So at the beginning of a Zoom meeting, we'll have to apply a Turning test to all the participants. That'll work at least for a few more years.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by jzb on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:55AM (#37023251)
Voight-Kampff test for each participant.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by alexk307 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @11:40AM (#37023111)
I’m here for this timeline. Just let the bots argue infinitely, come to a nonsense conclusion, and then have management synthesize the summary with another bot that then feeds decisions that require more meetings.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by falcor84 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:21PM (#37023550)
This is actually something I've been thinking about a lot. Once we do have AGI, and it chooses to embark upon a large project, would it prefer to just do it all itself, or would it prefer to spawn independent agents to take responsibility for each part of the project, which would then need to periodically meet to coordinate?

If the latter, I do expect something not too dissimilar from current office meetings. But if course what I'm really imagining are the cylon meetings in the reimagined BSG.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by kouru225 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:34PM (#37023715)
Ever since realizing how effective tree of thought prompting is, I’ve accepted the idea that AGI will actually be just a giant continuous conversation between tons of different personas.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by 4m1rk on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:45PM (#37023836)
The way humans communicate is ineffective. The most likely scenario is that there will be different systems that AGI integrates with to do the job. AGI itself will be a distributed system that scales horizontally so it will be a single huge entity with lots of interfaces.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by itronitron on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:55PM (#37023971)
You're assuming that the AGI will communicate with the agents directly instead of through an LLM. If the agents are actually intelligent agents then the AGI may not be able to assume that the agents are not human, in which case it's safer for the AGI to use the LLM to define instructions for all tasks. And if that's the case then it will want to do all the work itself, if it's generally intelligent.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by tornato7 on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:50PM (#37023893)
The only reason human communication is ineffective is because it's slow. If an AI can read/write 1000s of words per second there's no reason it shouldn't use natural language to communicate.
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by jacquesm on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:02PM (#37024790)
> Once we do have AGI

That's not a foregone conclusion just yet.

Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by andsoitis on Sunday August 06, 2023 @12:45PM (#37023839)
In this brave new world, who would have a sense of ownership and accountable for good decisions, outcomes?
Re:Zoom terms now allow training AI on user content with no ... by edmundsauto on Sunday August 06, 2023 @02:08PM (#37024856)
It’d be a perfect system because the machines could pretend to be accountable, just like humans do. And us humans could stop pretending!