I lived those years (in Europe) as a teenager and I definitely remind people, including elders, teachers, etc, encouraging me to learn programming and computers. At worst there were a ton of them considering the career a dead end (big mistake), but nobody ever considered that dangerous. But I might have just got lucky with whom I met.

At least in Germany that was a rational assumption for a large part of the 90s where for a few years they tried offshoring all IT related jobs, only to onshore them again later when it didn't work.

From my PoV the offshoring never stopped seeing how many German companies moved SW dev to Eastern Europe. Most automotive SW seems to be developed in Eastern Europe nowadays. Only recently it seems to have slowed down, as the wages there approached the ones in Germany thanks to US companies entering the market with even batter wages, so there's no cost savings to be made anymore.

Also, DW was reporting of German companies moving SW dev to Africa now that Eastern Europe was all fished out of cheap workforce.[1] So the offshoring never stopped it seems, and knowing how stingy German companies are with paying ICs and increasing their salaries, it doesn't surprise me. They'll do anything not to increase wages.

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-taps-into-africas-it-sector-to...

And only very basic tasks are sent abroad, since cultural differences have made it impossible to trust any output.

Eastern Europe has the advantage of a more closely related culture than India which was the prime offshoring target in the 90s, but as you say the salary differential isn't as large, meaning a lot of companies will think twice about the overhead.

That cuts both ways, with German culture (in IT/tech) being off-putting to many foreign talent as well, who tend to prefer anglophone countries or anglophone companies operating in Germany, and strictly avoid traditional German companies, for good reasons.

He was even more pissed, but also proud, when I start earning more than him my first year working.

Where? Maybe in rich western countries (US?). Growing up in Eastern Europe in the '90's, everyone from 9 years old to mid thirties was more or less proficient with building PCs and operating them since we couldn't afford locked down gaming consoles, DVD players and legitimate legit digital content of the time, so PCs were the only platform to support all forms of digital entertainment for pirated content, but it was never associated with being a "hacker" who could cause harm, since it was such common knowledge and everyone was doing it.

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/std...

- "You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons."

Do people ask surgeons to operate them for free on the kitchen table when they have a medical issue?

This is fucked. What's next, they ban legal references in the library?

Also lol @ them even giving lip service to be thought America's prison system has anything to do with rehabilitation. If that was the case you wouldn't be able to discriminate against felons for housing or employment or enfranchisement.

I had to say it sorry (҂◡_◡)

Anyway, I’m pretty sure like all these Java books was because of Will(?) trying to bring them in for this program.

They had to do some insane thing like photocopy individual pages or something to get around regulations. Apparently it is next to impossible to bring in any educational materials that can help inmates when they get out.

Need more developers? Train some inmates.

Drop me a line: deads AT themarshallproject.org

We have a bit of a rolodex of formerly incarcerated software engineers. One person talked with my team and said he needed prison to get sober, but he needed access to tech books to have a future afterwards.

I think about that a lot when I see all the programming books banned in different state prisons -- it's not just Ohio.

The people involved with the program were some of the best devs I've worked with in Columbus.

A quick search for "Coding in the Clink" will turn up the names of many of those involved. Look for the name Dan, he'd be the guy I most strongly associate with CITC.

What wasn't was a hardcover collection of "Romance Stories" which includes a story about a 12 year old raping his 9 year old sister, with no anatomical detail or the grooming process missing.

Censorship is always subjective, but really?

Why would you even think this? There is very little comparable between the US and UK prison system, like from even basic goals.

I just want to make sure you didn't mean, "or from even basic gaols"

You either ban them all or ban none.

But they ban books on all kinds of things, like Buddhism, which I've seen attributed to a fear that prisoners will teleport themselves out of prison or something.

I knew two CO's, both pitiable folk who couldn't pass the police test, so as unsurprising as it should be, prison book policies never cease to surprise me in their unrelenting stupidity.

I always picture that warden from that movie who said something like "the only book you need is the Bible, son"

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/cca-private-pri...

"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, someone in the administration will have a lot of explaining to do."