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Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by qawwads on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:25PM (#36412181)
Not surprised. Authorities have forever seen computer knowledge as suspect. Be on school and show some computer proficiency and show yourself becoming a scapegoat everytime their fragile inadequate network is down. Get your computer searched for some bullshit reason by police and see how they think using BSD or VirtualPC makes you a criminal.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by treeman79 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @09:22PM (#36413164)
Back in 90s if you could build a PC everyone just assumed you could hack their accounts. I mean granted security was almost non existent. But I learned to not talk about programming with anyone older than myself.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by xanathar on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:09AM (#36414985)
Is this something US specific?

I lived those years (in Europe) as a teenager and I definitely remind people, including elders, teachers, etc, encouraging me to learn programming and computers. At worst there were a ton of them considering the career a dead end (big mistake), but nobody ever considered that dangerous. But I might have just got lucky with whom I met.

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by carlmr on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:23AM (#36415070)
>At worst there were a ton of them considering the career a dead end (big mistake),

At least in Germany that was a rational assumption for a large part of the 90s where for a few years they tried offshoring all IT related jobs, only to onshore them again later when it didn't work.

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by ChuckNorris89 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:27AM (#36415094)
Which jobs did they offshore and then onshore?

From my PoV the offshoring never stopped seeing how many German companies moved SW dev to Eastern Europe. Most automotive SW seems to be developed in Eastern Europe nowadays. Only recently it seems to have slowed down, as the wages there approached the ones in Germany thanks to US companies entering the market with even batter wages, so there's no cost savings to be made anymore.

Also, DW was reporting of German companies moving SW dev to Africa now that Eastern Europe was all fished out of cheap workforce.[1] So the offshoring never stopped it seems, and knowing how stingy German companies are with paying ICs and increasing their salaries, it doesn't surprise me. They'll do anything not to increase wages.

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-taps-into-africas-it-sector-to...

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by carlmr on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @04:08AM (#36415773)
I've been developing software in Germany for years now, and while offshoring never completely stopped, the trust in offshoring dropped a lot.

And only very basic tasks are sent abroad, since cultural differences have made it impossible to trust any output.

Eastern Europe has the advantage of a more closely related culture than India which was the prime offshoring target in the 90s, but as you say the salary differential isn't as large, meaning a lot of companies will think twice about the overhead.

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by ChuckNorris89 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @04:52AM (#36416073)
>cultural differences have made it impossible to trust any output

That cuts both ways, with German culture (in IT/tech) being off-putting to many foreign talent as well, who tend to prefer anglophone countries or anglophone companies operating in Germany, and strictly avoid traditional German companies, for good reasons.

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by PartiallyTyped on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @03:55AM (#36415692)
My grandparents yelled at me because computers won’t put food on the table.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by treeman79 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:11PM (#36425386)
My dad was pissed at me for wasting time programming a computer as a kid.

He was even more pissed, but also proud, when I start earning more than him my first year working.

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by jen20 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:56AM (#36417854)
I’d imagine it may have been - if not specific to the US, it certainly wasn’t the case in the UK. Unlike the government of today who see investment technology skills as a way to produce meaningless sound bites and perhaps fill up some office space on a roundabout somewhere, the government of the 80s insisted the BBC embark on a computer literacy programme which had wide ranging consequences - the lack of follow up throughout the years is perhaps why I hear British accents wherever I go across the Bay Area though!
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by retrac on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:28AM (#36418181)
When I got into electronics my father sat me down to have a talk about whether it would make me look like a terrorist buying parts to make a bomb. (?!) This was in Canada in '90s. Some people are just a bit paranoid.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by ChuckNorris89 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:12AM (#36415006)
>Back in 90s if you could build a PC everyone just assumed you could hack their accounts.

Where? Maybe in rich western countries (US?). Growing up in Eastern Europe in the '90's, everyone from 9 years old to mid thirties was more or less proficient with building PCs and operating them since we couldn't afford locked down gaming consoles, DVD players and legitimate legit digital content of the time, so PCs were the only platform to support all forms of digital entertainment for pirated content, but it was never associated with being a "hacker" who could cause harm, since it was such common knowledge and everyone was doing it.

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by southwesterly on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @02:41AM (#36415181)
When I bought my Dell pc in the 90s, I had to sign a disclaimer saying that I was not going to use it in the creation of nuclear weapons.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by perihelions on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @03:16AM (#36415395)
That's just boilerplate isn't it?

https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/std...

- "You also agree that you will not use these products for any purposes prohibited by United States law, including, without limitation, the development, design, manufacture, or production of nuclear, missile, or chemical or biological weapons."

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by cafard on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @06:18AM (#36416691)
Seriously? I remember some freeware (a Scheme?) from the 1980s or 1990s that said that it was not provided for use in nuclear something--maybe just power, maybe weapons. It was not clear from the notice whether this was a political statement or a lawyerly defense against possible liability--at least I didn't inspect the statement closely enough to tell.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by thequux on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:47AM (#36417259)
That clause (which was a more general restriction on use in safety-critical systems) was definitely part of the Java EULA pre-OpenJDK, but I'd imagine that it was more widespread. As I understand it, it was very much a liability issue for Sun (not to mention the PR nightmare of being in any way a cause of a nuclear accident). If you wanted you could pay them a great deal of money to accept that liability, but they wouldn't do it for free.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by thfuran on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:01AM (#36419367)
That sort of clause still persists in EULAs. It's in iTunes'. Or it was just a few years ago at any rate and I assume still is.
Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by prmoustache on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:29AM (#36417126)
I learned not to talk about IT stuff so that people stop asking me to fix their computer.

Do people ask surgeons to operate them for free on the kitchen table when they have a medical issue?

Re:Ohio Prison System Bans Java Computer Manual, but Allows ... by njarboe on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:37AM (#36418285)
No. But I do ask my friend, who is a doctor, about human health and medical issues here and there.