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Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by bioemerl on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:46PM (#34885050)
Android used to have a niche. It did stuff that Apple didn't.

Now all that stuff, minus only sideloading, has been eroded to nothing. You get subpar software. Subpar apps. Subpar privacy. Subpar hardware. For what? For nothing.

Unless you're a software or control nerd (see: me) there is zero reason to even think about Android.

Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by akkartik on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:35PM (#34885846)
My wife has been iPhone only and is now going to switch to Android for her next phone. The reason: she doesn't like Airpods, and any other Bluetooth headset is unreliable. (Apple just works only as long as they control all the hardware.) She wants to go back to a regular headphone jack because Bluetooth is horrible across the board. As the Android in the house I'm happy to see her defect. Mostly I like having raw access to the file system, it'll make handling her backups much simpler.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by akmarinov on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @06:22PM (#34889189)
Well, too bad pretty much no recent high-end Android phone has a headphone jack now
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by akkartik on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @06:35PM (#34889320)
Oh?! I've been out of it.

There's a few options: https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-phones-with-a-headphone... But yes, it does seem like a sad trend.

Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by taylodl on Friday February 24, 2023 @09:06AM (#34924595)
I don't like AirPods either, that's why I use Beats Flex. They're super comfortable, they come with multiple silicone cups to fit perfectly inside your ear, and they connect to your phone without any hassle.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by deelowe on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:10PM (#34885488)
(as an IOS user)

IOS doesn't support emulators. The photo functions on the latest pixel phones are pretty slick (e.g. deleting unwanted objects in the scene). Nightsight is better on Android. File management makes sense on Android where as on IOS, it can be difficult or impossible to get access to files without going through the app. Local backups to file storage are basically impossible on IOS.

I could go on, but IOS is an appliance where as android feel more like a PC. IOS is what happens when apple is allowed to take the "mice only need one button" idea to it's most extreme.

Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by paulryanrogers on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:49PM (#34885097)
Cost?
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by Hellion on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:51PM (#34885131)
Yeah, you can get an android phone that will take pictures, send messages, play, music, run Uber/maps, and take calls for under $50. Those phones aren’t great, but they are usable. They can do everything that you “need” a smart phone to do.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by 2fast4you on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:57PM (#34885272)
It’s been a bit since I was in the cheap android phone market, but those phones don’t work as well as you say. Calling texting probably work fine, but I doubt Uber or maps will work great or at all. Anything internet heavy like that and you’re gonna be crazy frustrated
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by eldaisfish on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:55PM (#34885217)
Those phones are not “usable” in any sense except the bare minimum. How many of these sub USD 200 phones have you used and for how long?
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by abenga on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:24PM (#34885681)
How are they not usable? I use a Nokia 7.2 and I think it's a perfect phone. Good screen. Pure Android. Fast. Nice camera (though I really don't care about this). It has 64GB of internal storage, but adding an SD card was straightforward.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by paulryanrogers on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:59PM (#34885323)
An older, once premium model can be a good middle ground. I usually buy used and had a Note4 for several years, then my SO used it, then I used it again, then we resold it in working condition. It also had a swappable battery and card slot. Both likely helped extend its life.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by RobotToaster on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:10PM (#34885483)
My over two year old Xiaomi (mi max 3) cost just under that, it still works fine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by kaba0 on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @04:19AM (#34893411)
I would rather buy a used iphone for slightly more then. Less need to manufacture shit that will barely make it a year, better support and better hardware.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by bioemerl on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:00PM (#34885336)
I got an iphone for work recently. Year old. 180 dollars. Blows budget androids out of the water.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by brewdad on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:55PM (#34885240)
I have never had an Android phone last more than 3 years. Most of them were sluggish or degrading after only 18 months. I'm 23 months in on my first iPhone and it feels as fast as the day I got it. I can't recall ever experiencing battery life anxiety either. I have friends that have used their iPhones for 5-6 years with no problems.

The upfront cost is higher but you can expect a much longer service life and the resale value is higher if you still feel the need the newest model on shorter timeframes.

Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by asdff on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:53PM (#34885186)
Non issue. People upgrade into 3 year old iphones (still performant ofc) for nothing.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by paulryanrogers on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:55PM (#34885215)
Market share outside the US appears to indicate it's still more than 'nothing'
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by asdff on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:00PM (#34885340)
Outside the U.S. they don't have that sort of carrier upgrade system. The article is about younger americans though.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by ask_b123 on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @03:25PM (#34886600)
Recently upgraded into the 2020 SE for a bit less than $75.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by welfare on Wednesday February 22, 2023 @08:26AM (#34895059)
Just upgraded to the iPhone 14 Plus, got it for "free" by extending my contract for another 3 years. Works for me, I was already paying the monthly fee anyway and had no plans of leaving my carrier.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by theyknowitsxmas on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:49PM (#34885105)
I know something they do Apple devices can't. Copy and paste without roadblocks by iTunes.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by jitl on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:51PM (#34885144)
What is "roadblocked by iTunes"? I don't even have an app called iTunes on my computer (or phone?).
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by eptcyka on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:01PM (#34885362)
Since apple fought hard to destroy the concept of files when it first introduced iOS (some might argue it started with the iPod), iTunes never allowed drag/drop or copy/paste foles onto your iDevice.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by mcphage on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @05:07PM (#34888271)
> iTunes never allowed drag/drop or copy/paste foles onto your iDevice

iTunes doesn't exist anymore, though.

Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by shrugthug on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:52PM (#34885155)
Your copy/paste is blocked by iTunes on iOS? I've never heard of such a thing.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by bioemerl on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:01PM (#34885357)
Probably copy paste from computer to phone?
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by trinix912 on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:59PM (#34885308)
Until you try to copy & paste across multiple devices. Apart from certain OEM-specific solutions, there's still no reliable equivalent of AirDrop on Android. Bluetooth file transfer is awfully behind (both speed and UX-wise).

"Film me skate & airdrop me the clip" isn't that straightforward on Android (and no, I'm not going to email it to you & use up my and your mobile plan).

Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by ajot on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @02:29PM (#34885753)
There's Android Nearby, though I don't know how it works because I never used it.

For laptop-Android transfer, KDE Connect has worked great for me.

Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by 2fast4you on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:55PM (#34885229)
Copy and paste works great on my apple device. I can even copy and paste between devices. What are you talking about?
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by akmarinov on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @06:24PM (#34889206)
iTunes doesn't exist anymore
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by Kiro on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:55PM (#34885241)
Try playing web games on iOS. It's so bad that it's not worth supporting.
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by 2fast4you on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @01:58PM (#34885289)
Are there a lot of mobile web games?
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by akmarinov on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @06:24PM (#34889210)
Web games, lol
Re:Apple's Popularity with Gen Z Poses Challenges for Android by Kiro on Tuesday February 21, 2023 @06:51PM (#34889488)
What is your problem with them? I play a lot of web games. It's a good platform for games outside iOS.