(Which isn’t to say it makes the market feel better, but come on…)
For one, the fact that Musk is even being recommended that kind of content is concerning. Twitters algorithm is set up in such a way that to get exposure to that kind of content, you have to be intentionally engaging with pretty delirious circles of narratives.
Additionally, of all the possible jokes to make on all the possible pieces to riff off of, he chose a pretty mediocre joke on an almostly tepidly incoherent take - his joke isn't necessarily endorsement, but it's still an intentional choice that doesn't really signal the kind of responsibility investors are probably looking for.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Popehat%27s%...
> Those are definitely the most absurd predictions I’ve ever heard, while also showing astonishing lack of awareness of the progress of artificial intelligence and sustainable energy.
Edit: including the after-hours market, according to
https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/tsla/after-hou...
> Data last updated Dec 23, 2022 08:00 PM ET.
> This page will resume updating on Dec 27, 2022 04:00 PM ET.
(Elon's second tweet was before the pre-market opened.)
If you have a better explanation about why it took him a couple of hours to try some damage control I'm all ears.
This is not a thing. The figures come out in real time for very basic trading accounts and iirc google finance gives them real time from the exchanges.
Also, the opening price is not set by pre-market action unless there a massive amount of abnormal AH volume. The participants that show up for the opening bids are 3-4 orders of magnitude higher in volume than the pre-market traders. Gauging general market sentiment from after hours action is folly, even in highly traded instruments like the index futures or the SPY etf.
Brianna Wu is a permabear who pretends to be a journalist and spreads disinfo without verifying.
I think Ford really is going to get traction with the F150 Lightning. That's the smartest move you could make, i.e. electrify the #1 selling vehicle with something similar and practical. That's what people want, and if you convert that demo, you basically win over the rest.
I agree, I think this will be huge. Tesla's moat really is narrowing. I'm still rooting for them, though, and I'd like to see some of the other startups get traction as well.
They took a lot of risk on it, but it was hedged with hybrids , including PHEVs (with which they have done quite well), and while they are a little late to the party with a pure BEV, they are rolling those out to.
There isn’t any real sense where I see them gambling on hydrogen now except as a side bet.
https://www.toyota.nl/modellen/mirai
The only non-commercial electric model they sell right now is the 'Proace City Verso', and it's not exactly a sales success. There is the BZ4X in the works (what a name) but you can only reserve it, they don't actually have them yet, production was halted, resumed, then halted again and they had a recall before they even shipped them (I don't know how that is even possible, the cause: wheel fell off).
https://www.toyota.nl/modellen/proace-city-verso-electric/bu...
The rest is - from what I can see - all hybrids, with minimal batteries. No Prius, Yaris, Aygo or Corolla with all electric drive, which would be an instant sales success. Their 2023 lineup? More hybrids. Meanwhile VW is on their second iteration of their all-electric line with four models across a broad spectrum.
Toyota has a new FCEV? The only thing thet seem to be pumping new on the EV front is their new BEV, the bZ4X.
Back a few years ago when "there aren't any women in the tech industry" was the crisis of the day, it seemed like they wanted to upgrade from knowing no women so they went out and met a few not very trustworthy people who had nominated themselves spokeswomen of all women, never noticed this, and stopped trying after that.
It gets posted on HN and upvoted to the top because many HN folks hate Tesla and want to spread FUD about it.
Meanwhile, in reality, Tesla has been announcing plans to build a new Mexico plant.
If anything, I'm mostly ambivalent about Musk. So not all of us :)
That said, the media response to it -- pumping his first tweet without clarifying by virtue of the second tweet -- is emblematic of everything wrong with our current news/media/social-media culture.
In fact surely that's a parody account? How could anyone possibly think Musk genuinely agreed with it?
> Epic thread!!
People have lost their minds over Musk.
It's not a good look.
Meanwhile Twitter is banned for ordinary Russians by the Russian government, why isn't he questioning Medvedev over that?
I don't understand the thesis that Musk is somehow pro-Russia. Generally his ventures are against Russia interests:
SpaceX, launched in the aftermath of Russia being uninterested in selling a leftover rocket to Musk, now dominates the launch industry to the detriment of Russia, among other things halting the cash flow from NASA to Russia to carry astronauts to ISS.
Tesla and former-SolarCity, reducing use of oil, while Russia is a major oil producer.
Starlink provides communications capability to the country Russia is attacking.
However, a likely macroeconomic slump in (electric and other) vehicle demand and Musk’s erratic way of running Twitter are real problems. I think these get the blame for stock issues, rather than the bizarre Russian thing.
He's already taken calls with Putin and randomly decided to announce Ukraine should negotiate peace with Russia, then lost interest and dropped it.
(Note, the way Elon "talks" in tweets would be sarcastic if it was someone younger, but remember he's middle aged and still calls things epic unironically.)
espcially since the us has sanctions targeted at medvedev by name, it's no joke
I'm not sure if he's personally sanctioned but the former president of Iran also strangely likes trolling American politicians and commenting on sports. Sometimes gets replies from their social media interns.
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/10372992643161661...
https://twitter.com/Ahmadinejad1956/status/10521783680729456...
Actually I'm surprised Iranians are allowed to have Twitter accounts, does that not count as "doing business"…?
Providing support to Ukraine (via starlink) is not enough. Proper denunciation speech is paramount.
(I am being sarcastic.)
This is actually quite odd behaviour. Most high-profile people, confronted with something they don’t understand, will keep quiet; looking stupid is too much of a risk for these people. If the former PM of Russia drunkenly tweets about you, _you do not engage_, no matter how nice he is about you.
I know you have written eloquently about HN in the past, but I think that site is gone. And I remember because I've been on it for over a decade. I joined an early stage start up on it.
Sadly, they give no means for deleting your account. But thought I'd flag to you anyway.
Anyway, I will be abandoning this account, but it's maybe something for other HN old timers to think about.
I had similar experiences suggesting covid had natural origins. I'm not sure the culture that HN possesses is the same as the one it alleges it desires.
Anyway, last post from this account. I am sure this one will equally be nuked... :)
the way he tweets is pretty much distilled 2012-ish reddit
It's a pattern of pointless provocative nonsense by Musk, befitting a teenager, not the CEO of multiple multi-billion dollar companies.
I guess he's free to do what he wants, but people are free to read whatever they want into it as well. Dismissing it as humour is not a given.
(Yet I would not bet against him making a success of Twitter, as he has Tesla and SpaceX.)
And after all of it, here we are still talking about Elon, Tesla, and Twitter.
Come again? There are at least ten non-Tesla EVs that have a rated range of 300+ miles, and DC fast charging is everywhere. Look on PlugShare and filter out Tesla connectors.
Tesla is not the only game in town. And I say that as someone who recently bought a Model S Plaid.
I see people say this but I’m suspecting they don’t actually enjoy large road trips so don’t comprehend how terrible the difference is between 250 and 350 usable miles is.
What EVs can do LA to Salt Lake City with one full charging stop?
I don’t understand what you are asking.
>What EVs can do LA to Salt Lake City with one full charging stop?
I said that there are at least ten non-Tesla EVs that have a rated range over 300 miles.
LA to Salt Lake City is ~690 miles, half of which is 345 miles.
Few EV owners actually get their car’s rated range, and you’d have to be nuts to intentionally pull into a charging station with zero battery. Your scenario really calls for a car that has a rated range of ~400 miles, which, AFAIK, is currently limited to the Model S and the Lucid Air.
The longest range configuration of a Model S has a 405 mile rated range, though you’re not going to get that on a long road trip. The Lucid Air’s rated range is 516 miles. No idea how that bears out in reality, though I suspect it’s similarly less-efficient at interstate highway speeds. (Actual speeds, not speed limits.) I’ll be test driving one soon.
Whenever I think about Tesla I wonder why a company that had such a head start with electric cars doesn't basically own like half of the car industry now. He had a massive stock price which could have enabled huge growth.
There's a strong argument to be made that Musk has bungled it.
If he got paid for us talking about him, that'd be great. But he doesn't, not even on Twitter where advertising revenues were better before all the fuss. (There are people who get paid mostly from being famous, it's just they tend to operate well below "world's richest man" level, sell content or consumer goods considerably more mass market than the Model 3 and tend not see their net worth crash at the time their celebrity status goes mainstream)
Cause and effect is actually the reverse: the media started thinking his antics were interesting enough to cover because he'd already been very effective at promising spaceships and cars and organising people to deliver enough of his promises to earn him the status of maverick genius (and a lot of money). Nobody cares about your 420 jokes if you don't own a rocket company. He did the hype-man who delivers stuff well enough to more-or-less get away with dumb stuff that didn't exactly win the sort of headlines that sold Teslas (there is such thing as good free publicity; but they involve hyping his achievements and multiplanetary plans, not defending himself from libel actions). Then at some point he probably started reading his fans' takes on how his real genius was getting attention and so losing a board seat over a joke was actually 5D chess rather than a mistake to learn from, and now he's busy spending his fortune on being talked about...
(I guess you could still chalk that up as a win if you figure he always cared more about being noticed every day than stuff like going to Mars, but I don't think that's the case)
OTOH, I get the feeling people are being overly judgemental due to text being hard and 280 character text being even harder.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/ake44z/elon-musk-vladimir-pu...
https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-spotted-pro-putin-russi...
And of course, the one you're responding to: "Musk praised a truly insane Russian propaganda tweet, predicting the fall of the west"
That’s the intellectual level we strive for?
There's a bit of a conspiracy theory going around that Musk was trying to get out of buying Twitter by publicly aligning with Russia/sabotaging Ukraine a bit. The idea would be being enough of a thorn in the US' backside that they might let him walk away from the deal.
It's a funny one in that Musk has done enough bizarre stunts by now that I don't see this as completely implausible on his part, but given that the US government isn't a dictatorship and has separation of powers I don't think such a deal would be possible even if some part of the US government wanted to take it.
At this point it just seems like he doesn't have any friends though.
What an absurd characterization. Don’t you have something better to do than wake up and post lies on the internet?
He said they should negotiate an end to the war, that’s not “pro-putin”.
It really bothers me when people like yourself post these blatantly false statements, and I can’t say I’m surprised this post is still up/not flagged.
People are trying to end this war and the next one. Anyone who believes Putin will back down after success in Ukraine isn't paying attention. Furthermore, the people who should be particularly quiet about what to do in Ukraine are those who swore that Russia would not invade in the first place, because they don't have a clue what makes Putin tick. The people who saw this war coming from a mile away are the ones who deserve attention now, and that's not Musk.
You don't understand, this time Russia and Putin will actually do what they agree to in a negotiation. Its not like Russia already agreed to never threaten Ukraines sovereignty already and decided they didn't like that agreement so they threw it out the window /s.
At the very least making 'ambiguous' comments as he has done in the past AND WHICH HAS BEEN USED IN RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA is the absolute HEIGHT of irresponsibility. You surely must condemn that? You seem to be playing this down entirely.
He has repeatedly attacked the Ukrainian continuation of the war with his utterly ill-informed commentary on the subject which he has never rowed back, part of the 'twitter files' were about alleged bias in favour of the Ukrainians and he's literally had zoom calls with Russian leaders.
A lot of your post is, and I genuinely don't want to be mean, but a bizarre post-hoc rationalisation. Are toyota an anti-Russian force in the world by building EVs? I mean come on.
The only point you have there is star link, an action that was so clearly a PR move (effective one at that), which received a TON of govt funding, denied aggressively by Musk and his sycophants but very clearly played down (yes he did donate money but it's not nearly as much as he claims).
Also large swathes of the network were turned off and he complained deeply about having to fund it, before quoting a majorly increased price for the service. He only backed down on that after significant pushback (are you noticing a pattern here?)
Occam's razor applies. Look to the guy's actions, stop believing the myth.
But I stand by the analysis that Musk's ventures are (so far) opposed to Russian interests. Who knows though? He's pretty erratic over the last couple years. Maybe next year's Tesla model will switch to gas, with a preference for Russia-supplied gas? Am I joking? Mostly, but not 100%.
1) Cite an example of his statements used in “Russian propaganda (as if that’s even his fault anyways)
2) He said they should negotiate a peace and end the war, which is correct. This was in the context of preventing the escalation to nuclear weapons which would be a disaster unseen since WWII.
3) Twitter was extremely corrupt at pretty much every level, and his “Twitter files” only showed what we all knew was happening
4) He’s had “zoom calls” with Russian leaders long before the war, this information came out during the war and has been parroted incorrectly ever since
5) Starlink is a private service that SpaceX donated to Ukraine (a huge mistake IMO). Basically everything you’ve posted about starlink is wrong. Starlink was shut down over Russian territory, but what is/is not Russian changes rapidly and the system does not always update fast enough. While it is true the US gov paid for a small number of starlink terminals for Ukraine it is not paying for the service. SpaceX should not be responsible for bearing the cost of this alone (not that they ever should have gotten involved in the first place)
6) Garbage in garbage out, when you start with completely false information it’s no wonder your conclusions are flawed. You need to reevaluate your media diet as your sources of information are misleading you.
https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/ukraine-uses-over-11000...
If Russia can hack SpaceX's systems and divert them to ensure they do not provide service over Ukraine, why wouldn't they? Or brick all terminals by sending a malicious update? Similarly, dealing with electromagnetic interference.
Thinking Russia is completely benign would be an incredibly naive take.
This experience has allowed them to launch "Starshield", but it definitely has not been cheap.
That didn't happen as far as I know.
> Or brick all terminals by sending a malicious update?
That didn't happen either.
> Similarly, dealing with electromagnetic interference.
For which there is no evidence at all, in fact the only reason Starlink ever suffered an outage was for reasons which had nothing to do with the Russians.
> Thinking Russia is completely benign would be an incredibly naive take. Or simply blinded by Musk hate.
No, I'm totally not thinking that Russia is 'completely benign', and I'm sure they'd love to do all of those things and more. But without any evidence that it is actually happening it is as far as I'm concerned fantasy.
> This experience has allowed them to launch "Starshield", but it definitely has not been cheap.
So what?
Really, I can't make heads or tails of your comment, that's probably on me though.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/pentagon-impressed-by-starlinks-f...
Are you in the denial phase or the ignorance one? If the former, why would the government take part in a conspiracy to pretend that Starlink didn’t require special support to work in that environment? If the latter, why would you even boldly claim “there is no evidence at all” without even doing a cursory search?
The fact is: the Russians have to date been unsuccessful in suppressing Starlink signals, for a variety of reasons including some countermeasures.
But let's not pretend that the main cost is in that aspect of operating the service. The main cost is in making and launching the satellites and once those costs have been sunk further use of the system assuming the terminals are bought and paid for.
As time goes on and parties are getting more inventive likely there will be some more defenses against countermeasures. But a LEO based satellite system has a number of advantages over a GEO based one and those operate in war zones all the time.
Because you are not looking. The fact that spacex is having to spend engineering time at all making improvements to operate in an actively jammed environment means software and possibly hardware engineering resources not being spent on scaling the network, working on their next gen constellation, etc. For a company that runs as lean as SpaceX on engineering headcount (based on reading Blind and Glassdoor reviews), that opportunity cost is easily tens of millions of dollars.
You’re also drastically misunderstanding the lifetime and duty cycles of LEO sats. Those things have to have time to dump heat and charge their batteries. Serving in Ukraine means worse coverage in America 90 mins later. It’s not just a magic mirror in the sky that costs nothing to cover the ground.
This is the first result when searching for it.
> But Musk says it's been a difficult environment. "Starlink has resisted Russian cyberwar jamming & hacking attempts so far, but they're ramping up their efforts," he wrote(opens in new tab) on Twitter Tuesday (May 10).
> According to a Reuters report(opens in new tab), which Musk also shared, a coalition of countries have said that Russia backed a cyberattack against satellite internet systems that ultimately pulled tens of thousands of modems offline shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine Feb. 24.
> British Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said the attack against Viasat's KA-SAT network was "deliberate and malicious," Reuters stated(opens in new tab), and the Council of the European Union said the hack caused "indiscriminate communication outages" in Ukraine and several member states. The attacks were confirmed by the United States, Canada and Estonia, Reuters added.
https://www.space.com/starlink-russian-cyberattacks-ramp-up-...
Of course, there is an ongoing effort. Simply because it seems like they have not breached Starlink does not mean it has been cheap to ensure that.
Russia has, like all nations with power ambitions, a history of cyberwarfare.
If anything, SpaceX/Starlink has an easier time of it because their signal levels are much higher and the satellites can use phased arrays to pinpoint the receivers (in fact, they have to because they aren't geostationary and very low).
The fact this was upvoted despite that makes me feel like returning to commenting very infrequently is the right choice.
Hope you have a nice day.
FBI warned Twitter about Russian adversarial actions, which is known and documented by anyone not blinded by their made in China maga hats
This article discusses the interplay: https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/13/musk-carlson-trump-midt...
> (as if that’s even his fault anyways)
Maybe if this were 2016, but how Russian propaganda works and the role prominent/influential Westerners play in reinforcing Russia's narratives is (or should be) well known to highly connected and influential people like Musk.
When you say X and then X is used by a genocidal regime to support their war of choice, maybe it's time to stop saying X.
> 2) He said they should negotiate a peace and end the war, which is correct. This was in the context of preventing the escalation to nuclear weapons which would be a disaster unseen since WWII.
The geopolitical stalemate that has staved off nuclear war since the Cold War era has been MAD - mutually assured destruction. The idea that anyone should cede territory to an invading nuclear power at the mere threat of using nukes is to abandon MAD entirely. In this new framework, any country with nuclear capabilities will be emboldened to wage conventional war, and they can be comfortable knowing that if they disrupt western life enough and threaten the end of the planet with nuclear Armageddon, they don't risk any retaliation by the West whatsoever. In fact, quite the opposite, the West will be happy to capitulate under the guise of "peace". But really all that has happened is that bullies are empowered to bully.
If Putin gets what he wants in Ukraine by threatening nuclear war, what happens when Putin turns toward Moldova and starts threatening them? If Putin is appeased, what stops him from demanding more? Does Putin just get whatever he wants now, as long as he threatens to use his nukes?
Putin doesn't need to be placated to deter him from using nukes. It needs to be made clear to him (and all Russians) that Russia will be vaporized in the case Putin uses nukes against Ukraine. That is the deterrence.
> 3) Twitter was extremely corrupt at pretty much every level, and his “Twitter files” only showed what we all knew was happening
The Twitter Files show you what Musk wants you to see. Case in point: Musk released the tweets that Biden wanted taken down (Hunter Biden dick pics) but won't release the tweets the Trump admin wanted taken down. It's no wonder you conclude corruption, when you're being sold half the story. Selective disclosure and narrative building have been the hallmark of the Twitter Files. Ask yourself: if the point is transparency and exposure, why isn't all the data available for anyone to peruse?
He's a dude posting on twitter, he has no responsibility for anything.
With great power comes great responsibility. To judge Elon by the same standards as a 12 year old is a bit too simple.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/tech-industry/elon-musks-strange-s...
If you don’t believe it condemns more people to be colonial subjects and the be redeployed to destroy Ukraine, I can see the confusion.
A lot of tycoons aren’t commenting about the war at all if the fear how the judgement will affect business.
Then he eventually sleeps, gets a bunch of "we're getting hammered by the public" emails when he wakes up and says "ah, but it's all engagement you see. This is my business genius."
Ignoring that the reason that sounds right to him is because it excuses him from the idea that he's ever done anything wrong.
Assuming they live long enough. Look at what's left of the cities that Russia has withdrawn from.
Then a few weeks later regime approved voices said we should consider peace and it was no longer considered propaganda.
Russia is a Mongol horde. Suing for peace against tribal border raiders (cooperate) is a rational strategy. If they know you'll always cooperate, then their best strategy is to always come back and attack (defect). Each time you achieve peace you lose land.
So, rational strategies are bad. You want to adopt an irrational strategy where you appear to be a crazy person willing to hurt themselves to get revenge - now attackers won't risk themselves in the first place.
This is why societies develop an "honor culture" and why NATO has that mutual defense clause.
In real life Putin changed strategies in a way that made his country worse (turned into a Mongol horde) but personally improved him (gave him more power over the country).
It seems his push for peace is always one sided in that all his ridiculous plans end with Russia being rewarded for aggression and Ukraine losing territory.
He said the people in those regions should be able to decide which country they want to be part of and that the result should be enforced/respected by both sides.
It’s a stupid opinion, but he didn’t say what you said he did.
Framing that as enemy propaganda is propaganda that you have fallen for.
Saying "EPIC THREAD" is just his style of praising something, not mocking it. He had to add extra tweets to mock it five hours later because of the backslash.
Arguer: Musk is a pro-Russian asset who praised a Twitter thread in which a Russian government official predicted the fall of the West!
Respondent: That was trolling/sarcasm which Musk made clear in a subsequent tweet, if it wasn't already obvious.
Arguer: I just don't think CEOs of major companies should engage in trolling, especially about serious political topics!
1) Some people believe it should be something akin to Warren Buffett, Bill Gates or the late Queen of England Elizabeth II.
2) Some others believe it should be something like LBJ, Donald Trump, Howard Hughes/Elon Musk.
In reality the 'end of the road' looks different depending on the prevalent personality of the individuals who are being blessed by enormous amounts of luck to get in such high positions.
The amount of conspicuous consumption is approximately the same and cuts across all the different personality types.
And the coolness factor in contrast to other established brands was clearly damaged by Elno's escapades - and it's not getting any bette
Why tho? It’s not like they’re really good cars, the build quality is sub-par, as you note the brand has really suffered, the home-grown tech would be difficult to integrate, and the automation a liability.
The supercharger network seems like the major asset someone might be interested in.
And secondary would be a pretty strong software team as historic manufacturers have had a hard time taking that turn, but at the same time that would likely clash with the existing teams and practices so the benefit is not a sure thing.
They're not tho, the materials, QA, and fit and finish is absolutely garbage, has been for years, and apparently it's getting worse (https://youtu.be/kIW4moIM0zM).
Elon clarified it later with "Those are definitely the most absurd predictions I’ve ever heard, while also showing astonishing lack of awareness of the progress of artificial intelligence and sustainable energy."
I rented a model Y, and the ride, fit, finish, comfort, speed, venting is super cool, charging, range, power/speed settings that affect drive experience, all _amazing_ ... but... (no particular order)
- Door handles SUCK, open the wrong way and often require TWO hands. (I am not old/feeble)
- Unlocking the door SUCKS. You have to tap the key card multiple times, or in an exact spot.
- Locking the doors SUCK. You have to either find some obscure tiny lock icon on the touch screen... or just walk away an HOPE it locks. I actually couldn't tell if the car actually locked because it AUTO UNLOCKS when you get near it.
- The touch screen SUCKS. While many simple controls were easy enough, and the large screen was nice for navigation, most of it was miserably tedious. Repeat actions should be easy, but it was a constant chore to find and re-find.
- The physical controls on the steering wheel (you guessed it) SUCK. They are not labeled, and they are context sensitive so you are required to look at the screen to figure out what they are affecting. But sometimes, it's a tiny spot on the screen that it affects, and you can't see what it is doing. And since it changes what it affects, you can't rely on muscle memory.
- Lane controls SUCK. It constantly wines and alerts you, and warns you, and steers back into your lane. I tried multiple times to shut it all off, and I could simply not turn somethings off. (I work in IT, I googled it, there was nothing obviously locked down the rental company)
- Price (sucks)
Why is lane control seemly required? (my opinion) Because all the car's controls are out of your safe driving line of sight. Without this I think most Teslas would be in persistent minor/major accidents. The bad so far outweighs the good...
I hope they either allow disabling the babysitting features or make a simpler car without them. Add real physical buttons. Put a _real_ dashboard that you can see without getting distracted.
But a couple of these concerns are may be just because of the short experience renting?
Door handles: for the first week or so they seemed awkward, but I've been opening with a single hand ever since. The design is very similar to various exotic sports cars - and not well suited to a midpriced daily driver. Tradeoffs for aero, I think.
Unlocking and locking: bad experience on a rental with the card. As an owner, it locks and unlocks based on the phone-key automatically in daily use. I tried the key card a couple of times in the first month to understand how it worked - it's great as a backup key that fits in a wallet.
Touchscreen: I've used the touch UI in various brands of recent cars, and find the Tesla experience by far the best. Though I agree another $50 worth of physical buttons for the most commonly used features would be nice.
Steering wheel controls: after a few weeks you remember what they do and the physical minimalism is totally fine. Design optimized for owners, at the expense of renters.
Lane controls: there are about a dozen switches that control this behavior. It can be incredibly annoying, or no problem at all. Sounds like the defaults nowadays (or what the rental place sets) are awful, since as configured it ensured you won't buy one.
Price: they're selling all they can make at the price the market will bear. Would be nice if it was lower. Many industry watchers predict lower prices are all brands in 2023.
Fortunately it's a big industry, there are now some great electric cars competing with very different dashboards. I like variety, I'll pick a different one when I am ready to trade in.
They're not a good source of information even when they're right.
How is she being quoted talking about stock prices
It seems notable that the price of used Telsas has fallen 15%+ since August as well, which is about double the trend for used car prices in general: https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/Tesla-m112