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Re:Apple Q4/2022 by tshaddox on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:16PM (#33364768)
> Apple makes one of the best in class of these devices, and has successfully designed one such that it's hard to switch to a competitor (rather it's easier to stay in the ecosystem).

I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave. But that's exactly what a brainwashed person would say...

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by tcmart14 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:44PM (#33365001)
I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone. A taken care of iPhone can theoretically last 7-8 years since that is how long an iPhone generally gets OS and security updates. Android is getting better on flagship phones, but still not as good. By some none flagship android and your lucky to get 1 year of OS and security updates. My last android was a pixel and so was the one before that and every time I felt like after year 1 with an android, there is a massive performance drop off. I feel like my iPhone SE (2020) runs just as well today as the day it came out of the box.

Apple does do some things really well. Android could, and I really want to see them do it, but as of right now, there are some things Android does not do well.

Addition: And I think one thing that really hurt the Android ecosystem is when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick. Where as Apple really just buttoned down and developed a really solid phone. A lot of android phone makers were just focusing on gimmicks like styluses or niche features to set them apart from other Android instead of just really developing a good solid smart phone.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by tbrock on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:33PM (#33366003)
On android you’d be lucky to get more than a single OS update that added new features or functionality.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by ethbr0 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:41PM (#33366054)
Or just buy a Pixel if you care about that.

Why people buy Samsung or other manufacturer phones, and then gripe that the company is as stingy with backwards support and updates as they've always been boggles my mind. Why would anyone ever think this time would be different?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by scarface74 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:44PM (#33366071)
And then you will get at most three upgrades!
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by ethbr0 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:47PM (#33366087)
At the 6+, it looks like it's at 5 years (or more). https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by tshaddox on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:34PM (#33366442)
What I’m seeing on that page seems to indicate that the Pixel 6 will receive Android version updates for 3 years after its release, and security updates for 5 years.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by eldaisfish on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:19PM (#33366321)
provided your phone doesn't bootloop or otherwise have the hardware fail. Android phones - from google in particular - are notorious for this. Should things fail, you're screwed.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by scarface74 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:57PM (#33366604)
That’s security updates only not operating system updates,

For reference, Apple just released a security update for the 5s from 2013 this past June.

The 6S (2015) ran the latest OS until ios 16 this year.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by acer589 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:38PM (#33366919)
It looks like the oldest phone with current support is from 2019. The 2017 iPhone is still getting OS updates. And up until September this year, the iPhone from 2015 was still on the current OS. Does any Android phone even get half long of a software update cycle?
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by majou on Friday October 28, 2022 @07:06AM (#33369864)
iOS 12.5.6 was released in August to address a security vuln for the 5s, 6, etc.

The 5s debuted Sept 2013 as the first 64-bit phone, and the first phone with a Secure Enclave, so I'm kind of hopeful they'll just keep limping it along forever for good will... I own a pair of them and adore them dearly.

On the topic of iOS, be sure to check out https://libimobiledevice.org/, which provides utilities like ifuse that will even get you access to your Photos sqlite database; including all the machine generated tags, aesthetics scores and such.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by scarface74 on Friday October 28, 2022 @08:56AM (#33370794)
Since around 2011, Apple has allowed you to download the “last compatible version” of apps from the App Store.

As of 2019 at least, I was able to reset my first ten iPad (2010) and redownload and use Netflix, Hulu, Crackle, Apple’s iWork suite, Spotify and play music that I had previously purchased from iTunes.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by grogenaut on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:47PM (#33367433)
I've got a Moto 5G stylus, it was $280 on prime day, $450 normal. It'll get 3-5 more years of os updates. Battery lasts 2-3 days for me. It's so cheap I don't get insurance (would lose money in like 8 months) or care. I broke the screen 4 days in because I'm a dummy, but a replacement was on ebay for $40 shipped next day. I fixed it myself. No Multi-$K tool fixtures. I used an ios for other reasons. They're basically they same just slightly different. But I have an easily adequately powerful phone for 1/4 of an iphone and I don't even care if I break it or lose it, next day shipping replace or walk in purchase in a store.

So basically there are GREAT midline phones. I'm not coding on my phone, I m reading slack and email and taking photos.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by alanfranz on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:01AM (#33367855)
Are you sure you will get 3-5 years of os updates? Is there a “plea” somewhere? And how many majors?

Are you sure it will keep working fine after two major updates or it will slow down terribly?

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by grogenaut on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:10AM (#33367904)
Frankly at $280, I don't care. But Moto has said they'll do android 13 at a minimum and they did well on my 2019 power so they've earned my trust I'll get 3-4 years of security updates. And compared to flagship prices I can take 4-5 updates even at every 2 years and still come out ahead. Even more if you include inflation.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by skinnymuch on Friday October 28, 2022 @05:18AM (#33369275)
You got the phone on sale. Visit deal websites and iPhones will sometimes be on sale for similar prices and will have updates for the same time period. Phones sometimes on sale in that range would be 2020 SE or iPhone 11s
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by bee_rider on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:49PM (#33367007)
> Addition: And I think one thing that really hurt the Android ecosystem is when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick. Where as Apple really just buttoned down and developed a really solid phone. A lot of android phone makers were just focusing on gimmicks like styluses or niche features to set them apart from other Android instead of just really developing a good solid smart phone.

This is how I look at it as well. Because anyone can make an Android phone, Android phone makers had to either race to the bottom or come up with their special gimmick. Those that came up with a gimmick became the phone for people who care about that gimmick. But this ceded the domain of "people who don't particularly care about which phones have which gimmicks," aka most people, to Apple.

Pixel managed to break out of this by having their gimmick be "flagship by the people who wrote most of the OS, so, just generally well-implemented," but it took a while to get there.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fomine3 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:55PM (#33367052)
I don't know. Only a few premium models support stylus. Rather, I think most Android phones are too similar than ecosystem should. Most phones are just big heavy and camera-focused. There are some gimmicks like Galaxy's edge screen but not every phone. Speaking about gimmicks, Dynamic Islands. You may just want to say Android phone is crappier than iPhone.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by bee_rider on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:03AM (#33367556)
People seem to like their Pixels, so I wouldn't want to call them crappy.

I dunno what a Dynamic Island is, sounds like a really unpleasant place to take a vacation.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by aetherson on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:18AM (#33367634)
Dynamic island is Apple's branding of their feature of having a camera cutout and some animations and lights to try to turn it into a UI element. It might uncharitably be called a gimmick. It's on their latest top-end phones.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by nine_k on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:31AM (#33367700)
My Android phone had two gimmicks.

- It's waterproof, dustproof, and shock-proof out of the box. I can image an iPhone can pull this off in a third-party protective case.

- It can sideload software; I have some important apps managed by f-droid. Sorry, iPhone can't do this by design. It's not "strictly better", every such decision is a balancing act. But it's what I prefer.

Things like microSD card, 3.5mm jack, etc are nice but not the essential differentiating factors.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by reacharavindh on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:55AM (#33369804)
I do use an iPhone happily. I’m an engineer of computers, and appreciate the ability to run my own things. Here is my take.

iPhones are engineered very well, and even stands up to abuse quite better than the run of the mill Android phones. Dust proof, water proof etc out of the box.

Man, do I wish regulators would force Apple to break their monopoly on App stores on iOS! Apple can keep their App Store exactly how it is today, but as a user I should be allowed to install “aftermarket” apps via side loading. Sure, I can fall for “insecure” unvalidated 3rd party apps pulling a scam on me, but that’s my prerogative, not Apple’s. They sold me hardware I paid for, they gave me an opportunity to spend and buy apps at their store, but that’s where it should stop. They shouldn’t be allowed to prevent competitors from selling apps to me unless they bend over to Apple. I just don’t see how this is any different from Microsoft bundling Internet Explorer with Windows and pulling dirty tricks from preventing people from installing/using 3rd party web browsers in the nineties.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by magic_hamster on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:29AM (#33368628)
As a long term android user, there are definitely great minimalist phones out there that give you a really good experience with little to no gimmicks. My current favorite is the Zenfone line from Asus. I have the Zenfone 8 and it's just brilliant. There's hardly any bloat, it's just android, no silly gimmicks, small form factor, decent camera and it has a 3.5 headphone jack. The newest model has all that and a much improved camera, and I've been eyeing it even though I really don't need to upgrade yet.

It was definitely a long way getting there but android is in a pretty great place right now.

I can't imagine ever going back to iPhones. I felt extremely crippled every time I tried to do anything. I remember having no access to the filesystem, having to use proprietary software (iTunes... never again) and having to jailbreak my iPhone to install custom ringtones from my own music. When I got my first android phone and could just plug it in, drag and drop files from my computer, I felt the strongest and weirdest catharsis, akin to "I don't have to suffer anymore".

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by NetOpWibby on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:58AM (#33368804)
You can use Garageband on iOS to make clips of music to create ringtones.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by kinleyd on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:12AM (#33369585)
I've never owned an iPhone, and agree with you on every point based on my one and only experience with an iPod.

I've been dismayed with the bloat that's been creeping into Android phones (I'm currently on a Huawei P30).

I've never tried the Zenfone, but now I have to - thanks for the recommendation.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by kube-system on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:58PM (#33367083)
> when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick

I don’t think they ever grew out of it.

https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-z/

https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-razr-family

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by hoot on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:09PM (#33367171)
I bought a Galaxy fold last week and returned it yesterday. The form factor and larger screen was cool, but holy cow did Android feel like a huge downgrade from iOS. It was just all kinds of little quality of life things in iOS that I instantly missed. I think I needed something like one extra button press to get to the flashlight on Android and that did me in.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by opan on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:17PM (#33367235)
I don't use vendor ROMs, but on my past several phones with LineageOS, I can hold the power button for a few seconds when the screen is off to enable the torch. I can also double tap power for the camera.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fomine3 on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:36AM (#33367730)
I have both Galaxy Z Fold3 and iPhone 13 mini. Flashlight on Galaxy is really great. On settings, set double click power button to launch flashlight (perhaps most people use it to quick launch camera). It's really quick. It's sad that it's not possible on iPhone, because mini is handy so suitable for flashlight.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fomine3 on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:39AM (#33367747)
I argue Fold is a real significant improvement in this decade for who need. There's no other way to have tablet on my pocket. Flip seems to just a gimmick for me.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by stormbrew on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:05AM (#33367884)
To me having a phone that actually fits in my pocket is a luxury and I have no interest in having "a tablet in my pocket" so I feel exactly the opposite.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fomine3 on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:11AM (#33367912)
It's okay. I wish various products are available on market, rather than similar boring commodity devices. I don't want to pay only for great camera on phone.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by usefulcat on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:01AM (#33367538)
I switched to my first iphone nearly 3 years ago. I still have the same phone. At the time, I got it mainly because I wanted a waterproof phone. I've never had a phone get damaged by water, but I didn't want to worry about it either.

Unlike any previous (Android) phone I've had, it still feels just as fast as it did when it was brand new. To date, the longest I've had any phone is around 3.5 years, and in 2 out of 3 cases it was due to hardware failure. Even if this one were to die tomorrow I'd definitely get another, although I think it's more likely that this one will last at least another couple of years, at which point it will be ~5 years.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by krzyk on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:41AM (#33367753)
The so called gimmicks is progress, how would you know what sticks if you don't try?

And it was one of the best features of android.

Apple makes boring product, that makes it easy for app developers to test (recently less so).

AFAIR Android has still more de ices.

Android is more of a power user device (you can do more, you can root it, think hack as in hacker news).

From power user perspective iPhone is like Windows and Android like Linux.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by matheusmoreira on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:15AM (#33367939)
> Android is more of a power user device (you can do more, you can root it, think hack as in hacker news).

For now. Remote attestation is becoming mainstream and every app will find a reason to require it. Computing freedom was the whole point of tolerating Android's imperfections. Without that, it's just a poorly kept Google walled garden. My next phone will be an iPhone.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by tsujamin on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:05AM (#33368188)
> From power user perspective iPhone is like Windows and Android like Linux.

A widely adopted platform/operating system with every improving security fundamentals versus a kernel with numerous spins each awaiting their day on the desktop: This is apt in a manner the author certainly did not intended..

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by magic_hamster on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:36AM (#33368660)
From my user perspective Android is Linux while iOS is more like Microsoft Bob
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by mywacaday on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:24AM (#33369633)
I got the Galaxy Note 10+ over 3 years ago and I can't imagine a a phone without a stylus now. The ability to take a note in a second without opening the phone is worth its weight in gold to me. As soon as somebody makes a foldable with a stylus I'm all in, just wish there was more options than Samsung.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by tcmart14 on Sunday October 30, 2022 @02:04PM (#33396943)
The Galaxy Note with the stylus is one of the few that have panned out and stood the test of time. When it first came out, it was a bit gimmicky, but now that it has stood the test of time and isn't going anywhere, today it definitely is not a gimmick.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fbn79 on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:51AM (#33369782)
I'm of the opinion that Apple iPhone will always be better of Android just because of a better GC process. Compile time ARC for Apple (https://microsoft.github.io/objc-guide/MethodsAndImplementat...) vs 100% runtime ART for Android (https://source.android.com/docs/core/runtime/gc-debug)
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by hanche on Friday October 28, 2022 @09:33AM (#33371181)
> I switched to my first iPhone last year and for me the determining factor was not feeling I had to constantly be on the upgrade path. I've has my iPhone SE (2020) and haven't been happier with a phone.

Indeed. I am on my fourth iPhone, an 11 pro now three years old that I expect to keep for at least another year. More would be nice, but that probably requires a battery change. I had my two previous phones for four years each, no problem. I really don’t understand people who just have to get a new phone ever year or two (or three)!

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by matwood on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:48PM (#33365050)
Yeah. I went from iPhones to nexus phones for a couple gens. I went back to iPhones because I liked them better. At this point, it’s whatever someone prefers.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by SxC97 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @06:57PM (#33365143)
I've been trying to convince people that I just prefer Apple products and am not brainwashed since _at least_ the early 2000's... best of luck!
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by karlshea on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:03PM (#33365201)
> I wonder how many years it will take before I can convince some people that I actually just prefer Apple's phones to competing phones and that I'm not actually brainwashed or forced by Apple to never leave.

It will never happen. Those people are just not mentally able to understand that other people have different needs, wants, values, and opinions than them.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dopidopHN on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:05PM (#33366685)
It’s because you are brainwashed.

More seriously it’s actually a meme or a trope that I noticed.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by georgebarnett on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:17PM (#33367233)
Right this very moment I have an iPhone 11 and a Pixel 5 in my pocket, both running fully up to date OS versions.

I keep two phones because of personal reasons not relevant to this discussion.

I prefer the iPhone.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dopidopHN on Friday October 28, 2022 @07:14AM (#33369923)
Now you do sound a bit défensive :)

I write that on my trusted 2016 SE from Apple and that the finest piece of phone I own. And one of the only I personally owned.

The durability alone is nice.

My send me a succession of phone for various raison. It’s rare that any catch my fancy.

First they are large and two :Android is subpar in my eyes. Saving grace : It is vastly more convenient to shove things in it.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by gumby on Thursday October 27, 2022 @07:42PM (#33365574)
I don't think I'm brainwashed. The best I can say, when recommending a mac or iphone, is that it sucks less and will last a long time.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by listless on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:17PM (#33365872)
If you’re brainwashed, you don’t know it. You’re in unfalsifiable religious territory. So am I.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by zwily on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:34PM (#33366006)
I’d rather be brainwashed than constantly re-assuring myself that the users of a different brand phone must be brainwashed.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by ww520 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @08:41PM (#33366049)
Ha. I switched to Apple's phones because of the disappointment in the competing products and practices. It's angry-quit into Apple rather than brainwashing.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by jfghi on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:23PM (#33366358)
I used to like Motorola when the batteries were readily replaceable.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by manchmalscott on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:31PM (#33366873)
I switched from an OG Pixel XL to an iPhone when I found out about Google's Project Nightingale[1], though I was already looking for a new phone because I got a notification saying that November would be the last security update my phone would get, on a three year old phone.

[1]: https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-s-secret-project-nightin...

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by dumpsterdiver on Thursday October 27, 2022 @09:54PM (#33366585)
I tried Android years ago when I bought an abominable B&N Nook Color, and it became clear very quickly that there was no plan to keep the device updated with security patches, etc. Not only that, but the OS had been grotesquely hobbled in an attempt to keep you within B&N's sad walled garden.

I understand there are flagship devices that don't have this problem, and maybe this is unfair of me, but I came to expect that devices using Android would likely be riddled with garbage from whatever OEM was relying on the OS. While I do think it's cool that Google made Android so open, it also opened a bit of a Pandora's Box.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by _hypx on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:47PM (#33367422)
The Nook was a failure because B&N does not have the resources to maintain their own platform. Samsung is probably the only real competitor to Apple here.

However, in the long run, it is likely that open platforms will win. Eventually, the Android ecosystem will get to a point where such software updates stop being a challenge. Then you can just buy a generic Android phone and nearly everything will work. Probably it becomes similar to buying a Windows PC.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by krrrh on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:54AM (#33367815)
Next year will surely be the year of the Linux desktop.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by nine_k on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:55AM (#33367821)
You already can buy a generic Android phone, and everything works in it, if the manufacturer is sane.

But you can't get security updates for a long time, except for a few models into which manufacturers or enthusiasts put efforts.

Linux kernel does not have a stable binary interface. Most phone devices (cameras, fingerprint sensors, even video controllers and radio modules have closed-source drivers. You can't expect manufacturers of these parts to update the drivers for their 3-year-old components for a newer kernel: they want to sell this year's parts instead. Reverse-engineering these drivers is tedious, and only buys you a few years on a handful of models.

Long-term support works for Apple because they have essentially one line of phones, with a narrow set of components, and an enormous power over suppliers. So they can afford to buy serious users' loyalty.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Aloha on Thursday October 27, 2022 @11:51PM (#33367467)
Based on the stridency android users tell me how "they're sorry for me" I fear never.

I didnt want a religious war, I just want to use my phone in peace without hearing how you feel about my vendor of telephone. I cant even mention it in passing.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by karlshea on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:48AM (#33367788)
I was around for the Mac/PC wars and the console wars. I just don't have the energy to give a shit about some "side" anymore, I'm gonna use what I want.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Zircom on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:59AM (#33368152)
I have way more iphone users dump on me for using an Android than I see android users dump on iPhones. Just another anecdata.

I don't really have many techy friends though so, that might weigh into it a little.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by zo1 on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:21AM (#33368264)
Let's also not mention the social stigma and peer pressure kids exert on each other because they don't have an iPhone and their name is apparently some different color one chat window.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by kortilla on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:52AM (#33368416)
Yes, the green vs blue bubble. Blue bubbles indicate iMessage. Green bubble is for sms. It’s brutal in group chats because just one green bubble user forces everyone to downgrade and get shittier pictures, etc. So it’s not the color itself, it’s the worse experience that accompanies it.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by Aloha on Friday October 28, 2022 @05:55PM (#33378452)
Maybe it's about equal!
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by NovaVeles on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:12AM (#33367603)
I always found the Android vs Apple thing to be hilarious. You like Apple, cool - go for. I used to use them. Not any more. But that is my choice just as much as yours is.

There are deeper questions of privacy and eco-system lock in on all sides. But to most people is just isn't that big of an issue.

Honestly my big gripe still is - I miss Windows phone!

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by matheusmoreira on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:20AM (#33367967)
Pretty soon actually. Android as a power user device is pretty much done. Hardware remote attestation will ensure that everyone is running unmodified Android. Without the freedom to sideload, root and hack the phone and its apps, there's no point. It's just a poorly kept Google walled garden and I have zero interest in that. My next phone will be an iPhone.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by adrianN on Friday October 28, 2022 @01:54AM (#33368129)
I use an iPhone instead of an Android because I still get software updates for the iPhone 7 (2016).
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by checkyoursudo on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:23AM (#33369627)
I have an iPhone SE (1st gen) which I believe is also 2016, and I still get updates as well. In fact, this SE is still amazing. When I pull it out, nearly everybody says things like, "wow, I haven't seen a phone that small in a long time" and "I hate my gigantic phone". It still works fine. I have been thinking about getting an indestructible case for it. I haven't used a case yet, but I really don't want to have to buy a gigantic replacement phone, and I worry about dropping it and finally having it break.

I wish they would make another small-form-factor phone again. I hear the 13 mini or something like that is reasonable, but it is still bigger.

My very first iPhone (first gen) was the all-time best.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by silisili on Friday October 28, 2022 @02:33AM (#33368339)
Apple makes the best phone hardware, in best class of cameras, best battery life, best update policy. I can totally see why anyone would buy one.

But I just can't stand using the thing. So, I'm an Android user. But you'd have to be really misinformed to not be able to admit on paper, they are superior devices.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by catach on Friday October 28, 2022 @04:21AM (#33368922)
I am curious, what are your biggest pain points?
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by silisili on Friday October 28, 2022 @11:52AM (#33373037)
Probably battery life and processor. Apple smokes everything Android, with a battery not nearly as big. Then there's cohesiveness - watching Android chat apps come and go is laughable.

That aside, it feels certainly like Android leaves you with Goldilocks syndrome. You -can- buy phones with great battery life, great cameras, and great software/ui, but not all 3. Pixel has middling battery life. Samsung's UI/software is slow and bloated. Moto has terrible cameras.