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Re:Apple Q4/2022 by bee_rider on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:49PM (#33367007)
> Addition: And I think one thing that really hurt the Android ecosystem is when Android phones went through that phase of every phone flagship phone had some sort of gimmick. Where as Apple really just buttoned down and developed a really solid phone. A lot of android phone makers were just focusing on gimmicks like styluses or niche features to set them apart from other Android instead of just really developing a good solid smart phone.

This is how I look at it as well. Because anyone can make an Android phone, Android phone makers had to either race to the bottom or come up with their special gimmick. Those that came up with a gimmick became the phone for people who care about that gimmick. But this ceded the domain of "people who don't particularly care about which phones have which gimmicks," aka most people, to Apple.

Pixel managed to break out of this by having their gimmick be "flagship by the people who wrote most of the OS, so, just generally well-implemented," but it took a while to get there.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by fomine3 on Thursday October 27, 2022 @10:55PM (#33367052)
I don't know. Only a few premium models support stylus. Rather, I think most Android phones are too similar than ecosystem should. Most phones are just big heavy and camera-focused. There are some gimmicks like Galaxy's edge screen but not every phone. Speaking about gimmicks, Dynamic Islands. You may just want to say Android phone is crappier than iPhone.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by bee_rider on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:03AM (#33367556)
People seem to like their Pixels, so I wouldn't want to call them crappy.

I dunno what a Dynamic Island is, sounds like a really unpleasant place to take a vacation.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by aetherson on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:18AM (#33367634)
Dynamic island is Apple's branding of their feature of having a camera cutout and some animations and lights to try to turn it into a UI element. It might uncharitably be called a gimmick. It's on their latest top-end phones.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by nine_k on Friday October 28, 2022 @12:31AM (#33367700)
My Android phone had two gimmicks.

- It's waterproof, dustproof, and shock-proof out of the box. I can image an iPhone can pull this off in a third-party protective case.

- It can sideload software; I have some important apps managed by f-droid. Sorry, iPhone can't do this by design. It's not "strictly better", every such decision is a balancing act. But it's what I prefer.

Things like microSD card, 3.5mm jack, etc are nice but not the essential differentiating factors.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by reacharavindh on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:55AM (#33369804)
I do use an iPhone happily. I’m an engineer of computers, and appreciate the ability to run my own things. Here is my take.

iPhones are engineered very well, and even stands up to abuse quite better than the run of the mill Android phones. Dust proof, water proof etc out of the box.

Man, do I wish regulators would force Apple to break their monopoly on App stores on iOS! Apple can keep their App Store exactly how it is today, but as a user I should be allowed to install “aftermarket” apps via side loading. Sure, I can fall for “insecure” unvalidated 3rd party apps pulling a scam on me, but that’s my prerogative, not Apple’s. They sold me hardware I paid for, they gave me an opportunity to spend and buy apps at their store, but that’s where it should stop. They shouldn’t be allowed to prevent competitors from selling apps to me unless they bend over to Apple. I just don’t see how this is any different from Microsoft bundling Internet Explorer with Windows and pulling dirty tricks from preventing people from installing/using 3rd party web browsers in the nineties.

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by magic_hamster on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:29AM (#33368628)
As a long term android user, there are definitely great minimalist phones out there that give you a really good experience with little to no gimmicks. My current favorite is the Zenfone line from Asus. I have the Zenfone 8 and it's just brilliant. There's hardly any bloat, it's just android, no silly gimmicks, small form factor, decent camera and it has a 3.5 headphone jack. The newest model has all that and a much improved camera, and I've been eyeing it even though I really don't need to upgrade yet.

It was definitely a long way getting there but android is in a pretty great place right now.

I can't imagine ever going back to iPhones. I felt extremely crippled every time I tried to do anything. I remember having no access to the filesystem, having to use proprietary software (iTunes... never again) and having to jailbreak my iPhone to install custom ringtones from my own music. When I got my first android phone and could just plug it in, drag and drop files from my computer, I felt the strongest and weirdest catharsis, akin to "I don't have to suffer anymore".

Re:Apple Q4/2022 by NetOpWibby on Friday October 28, 2022 @03:58AM (#33368804)
You can use Garageband on iOS to make clips of music to create ringtones.
Re:Apple Q4/2022 by kinleyd on Friday October 28, 2022 @06:12AM (#33369585)
I've never owned an iPhone, and agree with you on every point based on my one and only experience with an iPod.

I've been dismayed with the bloat that's been creeping into Android phones (I'm currently on a Huawei P30).

I've never tried the Zenfone, but now I have to - thanks for the recommendation.