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Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by rdl on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:36PM (#33089351)
I carry a pack of KI in my EDC backpack and a second in my checked luggage. I figure with the amount of travel I do, my odds of having "shit pop off" when I'm traveling are pretty high (rather, the odds of it happening are low (<1%/yr, even this year), but if it is happening, it will most likely happen during travel/away from home). I've got an AirBoss gas mask, bug out bag, firearm, 2 weeks of food, 4 weeks of water cached (or more) in a few client offices around the US.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by vasco on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @02:53AM (#33092140)
You have multiple guns at client offices? Also you live in Puerto Rico? If you want to be safe during a crisis event, moving out of Puerto Rico is probably way more important than all this role playing you seem to be doing.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by exabrial on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:07PM (#33089678)
All of my supplies fell into a lake during an unfortunate series of boating accidents.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by javajosh on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:43PM (#33090920)
This sounds like a funny joke even though I don't get it.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by Sebguer on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @12:58AM (#33091445)
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by VectorLock on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:46PM (#33089458)
Do you have a little prepper cache in the office of your paying clients?

If I had an office and my contractor had a little stash like that I'd think it was kind of weird.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by rdl on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:49PM (#33089482)
One of my clients let me expense rifle armor + 10k rounds of ammo + etc for certain personnel for onsite security team. I love crypto.

Another cache is in my retail gun shop (I'm a part-owner, not actually working there).

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by ChikkaChiChi on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:55PM (#33089531)
This sounds eerily reminiscent of a gentleman that once inquired about taping kevlar to his back to protect himself from sniper fire.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by girvo on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:51PM (#33090055)
Not just sniper fire, wasn't it to deal with being hit by multiple .338 Lapua rounds? Maybe it was .308, but still, ridiculous. I need to re-read that thread, gosh it was hilarious.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by fatbird on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:19PM (#33089801)
Oh sweet, sweet memories of the rejoinder: “If plan A is to take multiple .308 rounds to the back, you need a plan B.”
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by quacked on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:42PM (#33089982)
Haha, that reminds me of what my hang gliding instructor told me right before I took my first solo flight. I was very anxious despite good preparation and kept asking him edge case questions, and he cut me off and said "listen, what you need to do is get up in the air, and then... don't suck."
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by ss2003 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:29PM (#33090817)
Ob's good advice since you are here to spread the word, "don't suck".
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by maxerickson on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:48PM (#33089473)
Obviously you can't take it if you don't have it/can't get it, but the utility for adults is widely over estimated.

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/bioterrorism-and-drug-preparedness...

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by ARandomerDude on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:06PM (#33089663)
I'm sure it's a total coincidence that there is a ready made excuse to justify KI rationing for people who are not military age in the event that we actually need to distribute the pills.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but after the "noble lie" about masks not being necessary in early 2020, a government website telling me we don't need as much medicine for people too old or too young to fight seems rather dubious.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by maxerickson on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:08PM (#33089695)
Your theory is poorly formed or poorly expressed. The site there suggest giving overwhelming priority to the very young.

Edit: Folks, the FDA page I link prioritizes children over people of fighting age. It lists lower doses for children because they are physically smaller but repeatedly states that they are at higher risk of harm.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by dmix on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:17PM (#33089784)
The life boats on the titanic were for kids and elderly first too. They said the same thing about COVID with masks and vaccines for the first 6-12 months.

It’s coming from an agency with messaging that significantly factors in priorities given limited supply.

Of course kids and old people will be heavily preferenced in these guidelines. They always are. That doesn’t mean they should be valued the same way by individual citizens.

Anyone who cares enough, evaluated their own risks, and can afford to prep is obviously not starting from the same perspective of some generic recommendation going to hundreds of agencies across the country. You can argue risk levels but I doubt you could honestly dismiss the utility of personally supply for people in non-high risk groups.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by maxerickson on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:37PM (#33089941)
Thinking it's bullshit and that they will ignore it is a totally different conspiracy theory than misreading the guideline and thinking it prioritizes people of fighting age over children.

Those at highest risk are infants and children, as well as pregnant and nursing females because of the potential for KI to suppress thyroid function in the developing fetus and the newborn.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by nwienert on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:05PM (#33090160)
The original comment may have it backwards but the idea/outcome is the same, their point stands. Still good to note the Gov messages what’s in their interest at the expense of individuals.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by maxerickson on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:19PM (#33090274)
Their point is about false rationing for people that aren't of fighting age. The FDA isn't recommending that, they are recommending giving particular attention to children because they are especially vulnerable!

Like why even believe that nuclear weapons are real or that potassium iodide is protective if you think that things are so far out of wack? The government is largely responsible for that knowledge.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by taylorius on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @09:27AM (#33095285)
Because for normal, working age men, being sucked beneath a freezing, 5km+ deep ocean is just something you shrug off.

Honestly, prioritising kids I get for sure, and pregnant women - but old people? Not so sure about their claim to a seat in the lifeboat, or a KI tablet in short supply.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by kodah on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:53PM (#33090526)
I don't think the FDA page is pre-rationing those substances. The United States, largely, does this on its own through economic activity because doing it through policy would be controversial, as you've shown. You would know these as Strategic National Stockpiles: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/state-us-strategic-stockpil...
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by pyuser583 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:21PM (#33090756)
I wonder how many sites would ban you for saying this?
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by rdl on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:57PM (#33089556)
Wow, I actually didn't realize adult >40 was so much less indicated to take it than 18-40. I knew it was mainly an issue for children. I wonder if that's due to decreased thyroid activity, less lifespan to develop issues with thyroid cancer before dying of other causes, or what.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by currenciessfe on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:39PM (#33089387)
Do you also carry an N95? A Tyvek suit would also help.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by AdamN on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @11:05AM (#33096496)
Yeah. Have a few in my backpack, one in the car, a whole bunch at home. I get that you wouldn't have one 3 years ago but most people have N95 nowadays, even if it's just leftover.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by rdl on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:42PM (#33089410)
I have a packet of KN94 in my pack (more for "required for compliance for covid" randomly happening, but also for this), and some gloves (nitrile 2x and 1x mechanicswear for shooting/climbing/hot/cold). Tyvek suit would be more hassle to carry vs. the benefit than I'm willing to do.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by currenciessfe on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:48PM (#33089470)
You can pack it quite small if you never tried, in the size of an average book, maybe less if you vacuum pack it.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by rdl on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:51PM (#33089500)
Yeah, bigger than I'd want to carry in the backpack I carry everywhere which also contains 1-2 laptops, trauma kit, etc. I'd just sacrifice whatever clothing was exposed when it happened. There's plenty of other clothing in the world.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by chiefalchemist on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:18PM (#33090268)
It looks like there are grades of Tyvek - similar to masks? - what's the min level you'd recommend?
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by currenciessfe on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @04:11AM (#33092671)
For preventing the radioactive fallout from touching you and remaining there any level is appropriate since the fallout is in the form of dust or rain which can't pass through these suits.

Obviously radiation will pass through it, for protection against that you need lead based suits.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by wrycoder on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:24PM (#33090312)
Most of the N95s are in government storage, slowly turning brown.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by jszymborski on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:12PM (#33090668)
Or, you know, in stock at your local HomeDepot https://www.homedepot.com/p/3M-9205-N95-Aura-Particulate-Dis...
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by wrycoder on Thursday October 06, 2022 @08:52AM (#33107601)
Yes, now. Try that a year ago.

And there’s still big piles around in warehouses, turning brown and rubber straps deteriorating.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by jszymborski on Thursday October 06, 2022 @01:24PM (#33111177)
I don't understand why you seem to think that gov't stockpiles don't end up in the hands of government employees and medical professionals as they are intended to, or that the storage conditions of N95 by the gov't is any less suitable than commercial warehouses?

Unless these N95s are being stored in a bog, I have a hard time understanding how they're "turning brown" and "deteriorating" in the span of two years.

Such unlikely claims would need a source.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by c7DJTLrn on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:50PM (#33090040)
Well, whatever helps you sleep at night. I wouldn't want to live in a post-nuclear world.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by tomjakubowski on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:58PM (#33090107)
I don't have any illusions that it would be fun, but I think I'd rather live even with the change of pace.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by ImHereToVote on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @06:37AM (#33093624)
"change of pace"

Understatement of the year.

Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by rdl on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:08PM (#33090186)
I'm mostly thinking about cases of a moderately limited incident, not complete all-out US vs USSR Cold War MAD countervalue exchange.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by ss2003 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @11:30PM (#33090827)
You already do.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by gilbetron on Wednesday October 05, 2022 @08:18AM (#33094448)
"Fortunately" I have a super power now that removes my need for PI tablets!
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by TedDoesntTalk on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:56PM (#33090094)
What is KI? What is EDC?
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by tomjakubowski on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:57PM (#33090101)
Potassium iodide and everyday carry, I'd guess.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by issung on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:03PM (#33089627)
What is "KI"?
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by rdl on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:06PM (#33089656)
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by freediver on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:13PM (#33089730)
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by resuresu on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:45PM (#33089453)
Not much can help you in the event of a nuclear attack, short of getting into a an underground bunker asap.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by VectorLock on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @08:50PM (#33089485)
If you're in the blast wave, yes. If you're in the fallout zone, you can do things to mitigate your exposure. Then again, you may think the ones gone with the blast wave were the lucky ones.
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by NegativeLatency on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:58PM (#33090116)
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by captainredbeard on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @09:17PM (#33089781)
EDC is critical
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by misiti3780 on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:05PM (#33090164)
KI ?
Re:HHS purchases $290M worth of drugs for nuclear emergencies by jefftk on Tuesday October 04, 2022 @10:08PM (#33090180)