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Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by guidedlight on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:43PM (#32719259)
Given EV’s should have price parity with ICE by 2025-2027, I think its obvious that EV adoption should accelerate.

Unless you are purchasing a very cheap sub-$20k car, EV’s should become the only choice by 2030.

https://insideevs.com/news/506465/evs-price-parity-europe-20...

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by chrisco255 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:15PM (#32719787)
Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes). Also, power grid constraints. California recently asked electric car owners to not charge at certain times of the day. This, in spite of the fact that electric cars are still in single digit percentages of ownership. This is unacceptable and it's very clear the grid is not ready to support it.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:05AM (#32723344)
>Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather,

The country with highest share of EV is… Norway. And by a huge margin.

https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/transport...

I think you're wrong.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by chrisco255 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:42PM (#32745033)
https://insideevs.com/news/556375/electric-car-winter-range-...

EVs lose 15-40% of their range in cold weather.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by redox99 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:54PM (#32719999)
> emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes)

That seems pretty irrelevant? It's not like you have only one ambulance.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:14PM (#32720102)
In remote areas of the US you very well could have only one ambulance.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by redox99 on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:54AM (#32721320)
And what if it breaks? You can't really have only one ambulance either way.

But even then, OK, you could argue that in some specific scenarios you need an ICE ambulance. That does not mean that ambulances can't be EV.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by crooked-v on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:29PM (#32720201)
In the extremely contrived example where two calls come in back to back from locations that are 400 miles apart, the need to charge an EV in the middle of driving for 6 hours straight is going to be a pretty minor factor.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:09AM (#32720768)
Lol maybe take a look at Canada where towns are 100km apart and an ambulance can potentially be driving constantly on an 8 hour shift. Not to mention the Fact they have huge alternators on them to power all the medical stuff.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by Tade0 on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:49AM (#32722849)
> California recently asked electric car owners to not charge at certain times of the day.

California asked its residents to save electricity (so, among other things, not charge cars) between 4 and 9 pm - during the evening peak.

That's not when most people charge their EVs.

This has been sensationalized by some media outlets.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:12AM (#32723391)
>there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge

Most people drive so little, they could recharge once a week. And I doubt they couldn't do it neither at home, nor the office, nor the supermarket, nor anywhere else.

Stores will do everything to have people charge at their parking. Remember when hotels made people pay for Wifi? I do.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by iknowstuff on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:30PM (#32719858)
Norway says hello.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:36PM (#32719886)
Norway is small (1700km N->S, but a fraction of that E->W.) One can drive it's entire length in a day or two. It is barely half the size of Texas. Nor is Norway very cold. Because it is so close to the sea, temperatures rarely drop below -10c.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:27PM (#32719843)
>> Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density

That may be the doomsday scenario. Imagine we had a new battery tech today that could cram 1000+miles into a car in say 5 minutes. EV sales would spike. ICEs would disappear. Then everyone would get their new EV home ... and the national electricity grid would collapse.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by elihu on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:04PM (#32720050)
It's not like everyone who drives an EV recharges their full battery capacity every day. And besides, home charges are typically level-2 charging from a 220V outlet, and they charge overnight. DC fast charging in homes basically doesn't exist, because the expense of the electrical service you'd need to do that doesn't make sense unless you're putting the fast charger somewhere where it will be heavily used.

Grid upgrades are a thing that's going to have to happen, but I think the concern is kind of overblown. It's not like everyone is going to switch to EVs at the same time, and over the course of a decade or two the utilities can use the increased revenue they're collecting to upgrade their infrastructure as needed.

We're going to need more electricity production to offset the increased demand. Some of that might be offset by residential solar.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by dixie_land on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:31PM (#32719861)
speaking of doomsday, I can stock up on fuel with reasonable effort (storage tank, fuel stabilizer). But you can't easily build your own battery farm
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sephamorr on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:53PM (#32719994)
Interesting perspective. Another view: solar panels on your roof, using your car battery for your house nighttime needs means that during doomsday your energy intensive lifestyle doesn't have to change at all.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by noirbot on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:26PM (#32720184)
Ah yes, the roof of my building where I'm on a middle floor. I'll start lobbying the board to install solar for just me to use.

The problem with a lot of this is that the more "responsible" you're already living, the less reasonable the next "responsible" thing is to do. Going solar/off grid is only really possible if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended. If you live in dense housing, you probably don't have solar, let alone a way to charge an EV. I park my current car 100-500 feet from the nearest outlet that I own. There's essentially no world I could buy an EV and not have to charge it for hours outside of my home.

The efficient future is here, but it's for the rich who did all the garbage NIMBY stuff that made it necessary for everyone else to have to live "efficiently" to make up for their gluttonous use of land/power over the past decades.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by lostapathy on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:50AM (#32720645)
To reply to the GP’s point here … if you live in apartment you also aren’t stockpiling Jerry cans of gs, either.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:12AM (#32720795)
You sure can keep a couple on your vehicle
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by lostapathy on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:31PM (#32730734)
A couple jerry cans in your vehicle is hardly a "stockpile." And also not a great idea.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @10:37AM (#32737673)
It’s enough to get you 50-100% of your range. And it is a great idea on long trips or off-roading (and can sometimes be required)
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by mechanical_bear on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:17AM (#32720445)
> if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended

By whom? In my case, I am not the only resident, I have a large family on our acreage.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:45PM (#32720297)
It is dangerous to assume that everyone lives in a house with a roof, or that they are free to reconfigure thier home's electrical systems. I certainly cannot.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by adgjlsfhk1 on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:24AM (#32720488)
Well if you live in an apartment complex, I'm pretty sure storing large amounts of gasoline in your apartment isn't allowed either, so there's not a difference.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:12AM (#32720792)
I keep a jerry fan on the back of my truck in the parking garage.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by adgjlsfhk1 on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:20AM (#32720827)
a what?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @10:50AM (#32724943)
Jerry can*
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by ZeroGravitas on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:09AM (#32722082)
Preppers are apparently really into adding solar panels to the top of golf carts these days.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by 1958325146 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:51PM (#32719981)
You can relatively easily install solar panels/batteries, and they even pay for themselves while we await doomsday.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by colordrops on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:28PM (#32720192)
Power density and recharge speed has been increasing steadily for decades.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by jnwatson on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:28PM (#32719539)
I had the misfortune of renting a Tesla right before a severe cold snap in Virginia. I was charging at 4 miles an hour at the public charging station. I’m not sure I would buy an EV in an area where it stays below freezing for weeks at a time.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by edaemon on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:41PM (#32719611)
Norway has the highest rate of EV adoption in the world. I live in Minnesota and none of my friends or neighbors have had problems with their EVs.

Level 2 charging (i.e. 240V home charging) is not affected by cold temperatures unless it's well below freezing, like below 0 F.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by peyton on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:10PM (#32719763)
Most Norwegian BEV owners also own an ICE for the winter. Adoption is high due to incentives.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by fy20 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:31PM (#32719867)
More importantly, most of the places where people live in Norway are not actually that cold. In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by random314 on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:24AM (#32720491)
Most folks would consider -20C cold AF.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by noirbot on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:28PM (#32720194)
-4F is pretty cold, especially compared to temps in VA in the US. I'd be a little surprised if VA got to below 10F in the last 10 years.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by blahedo on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:59AM (#32721342)
Depends on where. Probably not in Richmond, certainly not in Virginia Beach. But up in the mountains it gets chilly. Winchester apparently averages a little over one day a year where the low dips below 0°F.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by jjav on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:01AM (#32721357)
> not actually that cold

> In Oslo it hasn't dropped below -20C / -4F since 2010.

-20C is brutally cold, far colder than any coldest winter day I ever experienced while living in the northeast USA.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by fy20 on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:14PM (#32727353)
Where I live we usually have that for at least two weeks during winter, and the rest of the time hovering around -10C (for two to three months). We don't have much snow though, and little wind, so it's really not that bad if you are dressed properly.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by Tade0 on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:57AM (#32722920)
Man oh man you wouldn't enjoy eastern Europe in the 90s.

Aside from the general post-communism, we had -30C cold snaps.

But yeah, snot freezes at around -18C - I consider this the point at which things become universally unpleasant regardless how prepared you are.

That being said during a cold snap of -22C I saw my neighbours struggle to start their ICE cars while my hybrid just brutally kicked the engine into action.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by buu700 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:03PM (#32720044)
Global warming came in handy for once.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by cfeduke on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:09AM (#32720408)
That's crazy. I've had my Model 3 in northern Virginia for over four years. Charging at any Tesla charger has always been quick, freezing cold still 100+ miles in 20 minutes. Charging at the free chargers at the grocery store with an adapter in the dead of winter isn't the fastest, but it's always greater than four miles per hour.

The only car temperature problem I've had in the winter in Virginia hasn't been with an EV at all - just a VW diesel that had trouble starting due to extreme cold.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by spullara on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:29PM (#32719849)
That seems like a very low power charger that had nothing to do with the cold.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by jread on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:21PM (#32719809)
Sounds like an L1 or malfunctioning L2. I’d never revert to ICE in cold weather climates. Handling is great and ability to preheat (without idling) is a wonderful convenience on cold mornings.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by hwillis on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:44PM (#32719628)
Growing pains. Not really unlike how it used to be hard to start cars in cold weather- newer cars have heaters built into the battery, since its basically zero-cost, and enough insulation that they can get up to temp quite quickly. Heating the cabin is a bigger issue, since it's pretty hard to reduce what is a significant drain.

4 miles/hour is very, very slow. It's the maximum output of a standard wall charger. Maybe you were at a level 1 charger?

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by gaganyaan on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:44PM (#32719634)
I live in the upper midwest where it gets quite cold, and I absolutely love my EV. I charge at home off of a regular wall outlet, and haven't had any issues during the winter. The trick is to charge overnight at home, slow and steady wins the race.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by AmericanChopper on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:51PM (#32719306)
Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by josephcsible on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:23PM (#32719504)
It's unfair to ask for an un-networked EV when basically nobody is even making un-networked ICE vehicles anymore.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by AmericanChopper on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:33PM (#32719557)
It’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by josephcsible on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:04AM (#32720746)
What make and model?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by aembleton on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:55AM (#32723770)
Dacia Sandero would tick that box. I don't think the Toyota Yaris is connected either.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by elif on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:49PM (#32719652)
Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io

If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by RocketOne on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:25PM (#32719831)
Not kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by AmericanChopper on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:16PM (#32720121)
Being harmed is also a concern. I don’t own any other products where a software bug or compromised system has quite the same potential to physically harm me.

But underlying that is the fact that there are no networked features that I personally want my car to have. So however small the risks (of both physical harm and being effected by bizarre networked car dark patterns), they are risks that I would be taking exclusively for the benefit of the manufacturer of the product for which I am supposedly the customer. As long as there is an acceptable alternative to such a product, I will always choose the alternative.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by natch on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:03AM (#32722048)
>Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for.

If you think this has happened, I believe you are mistaken. But I'm open to hearing evidence.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by throwaway5959 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:52PM (#32719319)
It’s going to be increasingly more difficult to find an un-networked vehicle period.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by hwillis on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:34PM (#32719568)
Is there something that makes the electric Volkswagens, Hyundais, Nissans, Chevys and Fords different from the conventional cars?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:32PM (#32720221)
Greed.

More seriously, a natural obsolescence from dead battery packs that are BER.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rootusrootus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:13PM (#32719448)
Un-networked? My wife's Bolt just has OnStar, which has nothing to do with it being an EV -- all GM vehicles have come with OnStar for years now. Pretty easy to disable it, too.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by osigurdson on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:30PM (#32719855)
Is it not possible to take a Tesla off of the network by physically disconnecting something?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by cbo100 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:49PM (#32719962)
You could just take the SIM card out and never connect it to wifi.

Things like navigation can be done on-board (proven when in zero connectivity area), and playing MP3s from a USB can replace spotify.

No idea what it might start complaining about long term though when it can't talk to the backend for extended periods.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by JKCalhoun on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:38PM (#32719591)
Strikes me as odd that electrics are not cheaper than internal combustion. I guess it's the batteries, huh?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by 01100011 on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:24AM (#32721153)
Batteries and lots of copper and aluminum. Steel is cheap. You also have better economy of scale in IC vehicles for now.

I feel like we're dismissing other hydrocarbons too early. When I was a kid, people had propane or methane cars which were basically converted gasoline cars. Sure, not anywhere near as efficient but combined with hybrid tech for regenerative braking you likely have a more efficient car overall(nat gas is less refining energy than gasoline IIRC and we have a lot of it). You can also build them a lot cheaper since they use smaller electric motors, less coppper, less aluminum, and less lithium.

Yes I know BEV zealots hate hybrids but until we have better Li supply chains we need to conserve it and get more vehicles off of pure IC drivetrains.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by coderenegade on Monday September 05, 2022 @10:12AM (#32724500)
Methanol is a perfectly good fuel that is already made at industrial scales. Switching the source of the hydrogen feedstock from natural gas to electrolysis can actually increase the efficiency of the process. Green methanol will be powering ships within the next five years, and there's no reason we couldn't use it for cars as well, considering there are methanol-powered vehicles on the road today.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by erik_seaberg on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @07:16PM (#32744391)
I used to drive airport shuttles that ran on CNG. I think the airport wanted to lower emissions on site. Worked fine, except that the county only had two stations with CNG pumps. They kept a couple of regular vans that could stop for gasoline on longer trips.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by avtolik on Monday September 05, 2022 @03:03AM (#32721364)
Propane converted cars are still pretty popular in Eastern Europe. LPG at gas stations is 2x cheaper than gasoline in my country. The popularity comes from the lower salaries here so I don't see EVs becoming widespread in these parts in the next decade.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by fomine3 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:56PM (#32719689)
I wish so but the forecast is wrote in early 2021. I wonder is it still true after we saw inflation, high demand and short of battery supply, and supply shortage.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by throwaway5959 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:51PM (#32719308)
The only logical choice. Some people particularly in the Midwest and South won’t switch until they absolutely have to, TCO be damned.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by zdragnar on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:14PM (#32719460)
There's little public charging infrastructure here in the upper Midwest as of yet, which is a significant barrier for many.

What worries me if what happens when manufacturers abandon battery platforms. There have been a few stories lately of older cars- the Chevy volt comes to mind- where the batteries aren't made anymore, and replacing one is in the $20-30k, several times over what the car actually sells for.

Instead, it'd be nice if the battery packs were built in a modularized way, so that if one section dies, it can be replaced rather than the entire pack.

Otherwise, buying a used EV is a massive gamble for lower class folk who typically only buy used cars.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rootusrootus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:12PM (#32719443)
You might be surprised. I have some hyper conservative folks in my extended family, and a couple of them have switched to EVs. Definitely goes against their tribal ideology, but money talks. When you drive a lot, it doesn't take much math to make you realize driving a pickup (or any regular ICE car for that matter) is an overpriced way to signal virtue. Just get a flag.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by redox99 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:21PM (#32720152)
It goes beyond money savings. People actually enjoy their Teslas, even if you don't care about the environment or money savings. You can't beat their acceleration. They are fun cars to drive.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by elcomet on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:54PM (#32719334)
When it will be cheaper, they'll all switch. Price is usually the best argument.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by jorblumesea on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:55PM (#32719341)
It's sad how green energy has become part of the culture wars, especially given many of the states most impacted by climate change (Florida, Texas) could benefit the most. They also have vast possibilities in green power.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by thoughtstheseus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:01PM (#32719377)
In what way? Texas and Florida have the 2nd and 3rd most installed solar in the US by state
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by pbj1968 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:26PM (#32719520)
And Texas generates the most wind power…
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by ceejayoz on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:25PM (#32719828)
Republican politicians notably tried to blame the ice storm outages last year on green energy. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/texas-wind-turbines-...
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by anonporridge on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:25PM (#32719514)
Given the much lower fuel/power cost and reduced maintenance costs, they don't necessarily need to reach price parity.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by Swizec on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:57PM (#32719349)
Buying a car right now feels like a tough decision. ICEs are on their way out, even illegal pretty soon, but EVs aren’t quite there yet especially if you live in the city and can’t charge at home.

Probably best to wait ~5 years then buy an EV, if you can wait.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rootusrootus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:15PM (#32719466)
Owning my own house, I will say that I'd happily never buy another ICE car. Charging at home is so much better than waiting in line at the gas station every week. The performance is excellent. In basically all ways that don't involve absurdly long road trips, the EV is the better choice.

But price. That's the killer right now. They're popular, batteries are expensive. I may actually go back to a PHEV for my next car even after I swore I'd never own a non-EV again because I'm hooked. Because the price difference is 20 grand, and the EV will never save me 20 grand over its life compared to a good PHEV. I'm a bit miffed about the whole thing, to be honest. Prices are insane for everything. I need a raise, clearly.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by badpun on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:00AM (#32723315)
> Charging at home is so much better than waiting in line at the gas station every week.

There are lines at gas stations in developed countries? I can't even remember when I last saw one.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by erik_seaberg on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:01PM (#32744727)
Many stations aren’t busy, but some people wait in line for Costco prices.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by RosanaAnaDana on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:12PM (#32719444)
Eh, EV's are there. The older models like my 2012 leaf arent. But everything new is. The bigger issue is infrastructure. Leaving it to the market to put in charging has been a disaster. I can't relate or understand the 'city' argument (if you live in a city, get a bus pass), but for home charging, so long as you've got a commute or two of range, you can either charge at work parking or at home, mix mox.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by JKCalhoun on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:39PM (#32719598)
Internal combustion illegal soon? To own?

I missed that memo.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by vkou on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:42PM (#32719619)
Illegal to sell new in a number of jurisdictions, starting sometime in the next 10-to-never years. Would probably put us on track to 3-4 degrees of warming.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by JKCalhoun on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:39PM (#32719911)
Unless it becomes illegal to sell used also then that should not be an issue when deciding what type of car to buy now.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by natch on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:11AM (#32722098)
There are plenty of levers available to government for hastening the demise of CO2-emitting vehicles. Curtailing new sales is just one of them.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by vkou on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @02:35AM (#32733693)
I would be shocked if it ever becomes illegal to sell used.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by pcthrowaway on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:42PM (#32719926)
I don't think it's actually going to be illegal to sell cars with ICEs anywhere, just cars that don't have a zero-emission run mode (so plug in hybrids will still be OK even though they'd run fine without a plug-in)
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by pcthrowaway on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:38PM (#32719909)
Wouldn't hybrids be an acceptable middle ground for right now then? I imagine they won't be illegal any time soon, since it'll probably be at least 2 decades before we see EV infrastructure coverage of 99% of drivers' trips, and that last 1% (think driving around Alaska) will take just as much effort to service as the first 99%
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by erik_seaberg on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:03PM (#32719389)
The price difference needs to include owning a house vs. renting an apartment.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by natch on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:05AM (#32722063)
We charged two Teslas at an apartment for years, no problems. Using a single 110 outlet (shared, one car at a time). In the occasional road trips we also used superchargers. If it can work for two cars surely it can work for one car. You do have to choose an apartment where your outlet is close enough to the parking, obviously.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by timbit42 on Monday September 05, 2022 @10:47AM (#32724902)
Make an offer to your landlord to pay for a charger installation for your parking spot.

Eventually EVs will be so common that landlords will be falling over themselves to get chargers installed so they aren't pariahs.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by erik_seaberg on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @06:57PM (#32744251)
I don’t think renters are going to start buying EVs until a large majority of rentals have reserved charging and parking somewhere nearby. If landlords wait to see demand, it won’t appear.

Replacing street parking is going to be a bigger problem.