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Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by AmericanChopper on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:51PM (#32719306)
Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by josephcsible on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:23PM (#32719504)
It's unfair to ask for an un-networked EV when basically nobody is even making un-networked ICE vehicles anymore.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by AmericanChopper on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:33PM (#32719557)
It’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by josephcsible on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:04AM (#32720746)
What make and model?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by aembleton on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:55AM (#32723770)
Dacia Sandero would tick that box. I don't think the Toyota Yaris is connected either.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by elif on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:49PM (#32719652)
Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io

If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by RocketOne on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:25PM (#32719831)
Not kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by AmericanChopper on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:16PM (#32720121)
Being harmed is also a concern. I don’t own any other products where a software bug or compromised system has quite the same potential to physically harm me.

But underlying that is the fact that there are no networked features that I personally want my car to have. So however small the risks (of both physical harm and being effected by bizarre networked car dark patterns), they are risks that I would be taking exclusively for the benefit of the manufacturer of the product for which I am supposedly the customer. As long as there is an acceptable alternative to such a product, I will always choose the alternative.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by natch on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:03AM (#32722048)
>Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for.

If you think this has happened, I believe you are mistaken. But I'm open to hearing evidence.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by throwaway5959 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @08:52PM (#32719319)
It’s going to be increasingly more difficult to find an un-networked vehicle period.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by hwillis on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:34PM (#32719568)
Is there something that makes the electric Volkswagens, Hyundais, Nissans, Chevys and Fords different from the conventional cars?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:32PM (#32720221)
Greed.

More seriously, a natural obsolescence from dead battery packs that are BER.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rootusrootus on Sunday September 04, 2022 @09:13PM (#32719448)
Un-networked? My wife's Bolt just has OnStar, which has nothing to do with it being an EV -- all GM vehicles have come with OnStar for years now. Pretty easy to disable it, too.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by osigurdson on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:30PM (#32719855)
Is it not possible to take a Tesla off of the network by physically disconnecting something?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by cbo100 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:49PM (#32719962)
You could just take the SIM card out and never connect it to wifi.

Things like navigation can be done on-board (proven when in zero connectivity area), and playing MP3s from a USB can replace spotify.

No idea what it might start complaining about long term though when it can't talk to the backend for extended periods.