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Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by chrisco255 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:15PM (#32719787)
Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density, we're gonna have ICEs for a long time. Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather, they so far have not proven themselves to be capable of long haul towing (battery life drops off precipitously while towing), there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge, emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes). Also, power grid constraints. California recently asked electric car owners to not charge at certain times of the day. This, in spite of the fact that electric cars are still in single digit percentages of ownership. This is unacceptable and it's very clear the grid is not ready to support it.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:05AM (#32723344)
>Electric vehicles are not good in cold weather,

The country with highest share of EV is… Norway. And by a huge margin.

https://alternative-fuels-observatory.ec.europa.eu/transport...

I think you're wrong.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by chrisco255 on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @08:42PM (#32745033)
https://insideevs.com/news/556375/electric-car-winter-range-...

EVs lose 15-40% of their range in cold weather.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by redox99 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:54PM (#32719999)
> emergency vehicles cannot depend on EV (you can't wait for an ambulance to recharge for 45 minutes)

That seems pretty irrelevant? It's not like you have only one ambulance.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by kevin_thibedeau on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:14PM (#32720102)
In remote areas of the US you very well could have only one ambulance.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by redox99 on Monday September 05, 2022 @02:54AM (#32721320)
And what if it breaks? You can't really have only one ambulance either way.

But even then, OK, you could argue that in some specific scenarios you need an ICE ambulance. That does not mean that ambulances can't be EV.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by crooked-v on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:29PM (#32720201)
In the extremely contrived example where two calls come in back to back from locations that are 400 miles apart, the need to charge an EV in the middle of driving for 6 hours straight is going to be a pretty minor factor.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:09AM (#32720768)
Lol maybe take a look at Canada where towns are 100km apart and an ambulance can potentially be driving constantly on an 8 hour shift. Not to mention the Fact they have huge alternators on them to power all the medical stuff.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by Tade0 on Monday September 05, 2022 @06:49AM (#32722849)
> California recently asked electric car owners to not charge at certain times of the day.

California asked its residents to save electricity (so, among other things, not charge cars) between 4 and 9 pm - during the evening peak.

That's not when most people charge their EVs.

This has been sensationalized by some media outlets.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by rcMgD2BwE72F on Monday September 05, 2022 @08:12AM (#32723391)
>there is not enough charging ports or parking spots for hundreds of millions of cars to recharge

Most people drive so little, they could recharge once a week. And I doubt they couldn't do it neither at home, nor the office, nor the supermarket, nor anywhere else.

Stores will do everything to have people charge at their parking. Remember when hotels made people pay for Wifi? I do.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by iknowstuff on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:30PM (#32719858)
Norway says hello.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:36PM (#32719886)
Norway is small (1700km N->S, but a fraction of that E->W.) One can drive it's entire length in a day or two. It is barely half the size of Texas. Nor is Norway very cold. Because it is so close to the sea, temperatures rarely drop below -10c.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:27PM (#32719843)
>> Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density

That may be the doomsday scenario. Imagine we had a new battery tech today that could cram 1000+miles into a car in say 5 minutes. EV sales would spike. ICEs would disappear. Then everyone would get their new EV home ... and the national electricity grid would collapse.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by elihu on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:04PM (#32720050)
It's not like everyone who drives an EV recharges their full battery capacity every day. And besides, home charges are typically level-2 charging from a 220V outlet, and they charge overnight. DC fast charging in homes basically doesn't exist, because the expense of the electrical service you'd need to do that doesn't make sense unless you're putting the fast charger somewhere where it will be heavily used.

Grid upgrades are a thing that's going to have to happen, but I think the concern is kind of overblown. It's not like everyone is going to switch to EVs at the same time, and over the course of a decade or two the utilities can use the increased revenue they're collecting to upgrade their infrastructure as needed.

We're going to need more electricity production to offset the increased demand. Some of that might be offset by residential solar.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by dixie_land on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:31PM (#32719861)
speaking of doomsday, I can stock up on fuel with reasonable effort (storage tank, fuel stabilizer). But you can't easily build your own battery farm
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sephamorr on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:53PM (#32719994)
Interesting perspective. Another view: solar panels on your roof, using your car battery for your house nighttime needs means that during doomsday your energy intensive lifestyle doesn't have to change at all.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by noirbot on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:26PM (#32720184)
Ah yes, the roof of my building where I'm on a middle floor. I'll start lobbying the board to install solar for just me to use.

The problem with a lot of this is that the more "responsible" you're already living, the less reasonable the next "responsible" thing is to do. Going solar/off grid is only really possible if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended. If you live in dense housing, you probably don't have solar, let alone a way to charge an EV. I park my current car 100-500 feet from the nearest outlet that I own. There's essentially no world I could buy an EV and not have to charge it for hours outside of my home.

The efficient future is here, but it's for the rich who did all the garbage NIMBY stuff that made it necessary for everyone else to have to live "efficiently" to make up for their gluttonous use of land/power over the past decades.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by lostapathy on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:50AM (#32720645)
To reply to the GP’s point here … if you live in apartment you also aren’t stockpiling Jerry cans of gs, either.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:12AM (#32720795)
You sure can keep a couple on your vehicle
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by lostapathy on Monday September 05, 2022 @07:31PM (#32730734)
A couple jerry cans in your vehicle is hardly a "stockpile." And also not a great idea.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Tuesday September 06, 2022 @10:37AM (#32737673)
It’s enough to get you 50-100% of your range. And it is a great idea on long trips or off-roading (and can sometimes be required)
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by mechanical_bear on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:17AM (#32720445)
> if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended

By whom? In my case, I am not the only resident, I have a large family on our acreage.

Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by sandworm101 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:45PM (#32720297)
It is dangerous to assume that everyone lives in a house with a roof, or that they are free to reconfigure thier home's electrical systems. I certainly cannot.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by adgjlsfhk1 on Monday September 05, 2022 @12:24AM (#32720488)
Well if you live in an apartment complex, I'm pretty sure storing large amounts of gasoline in your apartment isn't allowed either, so there's not a difference.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:12AM (#32720792)
I keep a jerry fan on the back of my truck in the parking garage.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by adgjlsfhk1 on Monday September 05, 2022 @01:20AM (#32720827)
a what?
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by katbyte on Monday September 05, 2022 @10:50AM (#32724943)
Jerry can*
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by ZeroGravitas on Monday September 05, 2022 @05:09AM (#32722082)
Preppers are apparently really into adding solar panels to the top of golf carts these days.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by 1958325146 on Sunday September 04, 2022 @10:51PM (#32719981)
You can relatively easily install solar panels/batteries, and they even pay for themselves while we await doomsday.
Re:EV adoption in US is happening faster than predicted by colordrops on Sunday September 04, 2022 @11:28PM (#32720192)
Power density and recharge speed has been increasing steadily for decades.