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Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by smcl on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:29PM (#32297553)
They seem hellbent on having a rotten reputation. I do not know a single person who likes it other than recruiters (who all tell me they're upset about people not replying to their out-of-the-blue messages). Every developer I know either simply dislikes the LinkedIn experience, or knows about the company's shitty behaviour and despises the company (to the point of deleting their profile or not signing up).

Surely this kind of thing will eventually come back to haunt them?

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by gtirloni on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:37PM (#32297622)
> Surely this kind of thing will eventually come back to haunt them?

I doubt it. Network effects matter and nobody is switching from LinkedIn for fear of missing out. There is no other work-related social network like it.

It's different with FB/Instagram that there isn't much at stake so people will just switch to test something and then stay. With LinkedIn, the "what if I miss a job opportunity?" factor means there's pressure to ignore the UI issues and just stick it out.

I don't see a disruptor in this industry, do you know of any?

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by patrickkidger on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:33PM (#32298569)
From personal experience: possibly Twitter. Having a presence there has given me several serious offers to interview, for jobs worth having (FAANG and similar).

The folks in my field (ML/applied math/scientific computing) are all on there, and moreover those reaching out to me are always technical folks rather than recruiters.

(Twitter gets a bad rap, but the academic/dev parts of it are the single best way I've found to track the Zeitgeist of fields and topics I'm interested in.)

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by kingkongjaffa on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:21PM (#32298960)
I had the opposite experience.

'tech twitter' is full of junior developers, developer advocates, and students, all trying to sell e-books to each other or virtue signal their way into a dev advocate role. I only found content creator and tech influencer sales pitches.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by cyberlurker on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:40PM (#32299121)
This is definitely true, but then I also see more experienced developers and researchers tweeting about these people making fun of them and calling them on their bullshit.

I think tech Twitter quality is heavily dependent on being thoughtful of who you follow.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by encryptluks2 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:03PM (#32298824)
I did. I deleted my LinkedIn account. Too much spam. My personal information was constantly being shared despite telling LinkedIn I didn't want them to. I still get a few emails per week where they shared my email address with recruiters. I'd rather not work with recruiters anymore at all. In the future the best opportunity will be from my website or direct contact.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by raunak on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:32PM (#32298554)
Blind would be a cool one but it kinda defeats the purpose.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by TameAntelope on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:26PM (#32298035)
I see “network effects” cited so frequently as this impenetrable fortress, but… literally every site that now has “network effects” had to fight them to exist, so it seems kind of odd…
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by nr2x on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:07PM (#32298336)
We talk about exponential growth a lot more than exponential collapse. Historically, social networks collapse as quickly as they grow. Even mighty Facebook recently hit the peak, and in their most important markets the network effect is utterly collapsing.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by gtirloni on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:28PM (#32298049)
When LI started, it didn't have much competition so it was easier.

Network effects is not an impenetrable fortress. It just means your product has to have a really good reason for people to switch, and I dont see anyone in the work network space doing anything really better than LI. I wish someone was.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by monkeydust on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:46PM (#32298184)
How about a video only (or video first) network - companies can promote but has to be videos. Tiktok meets LinkedIn (!)
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by TameAntelope on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:49PM (#32298704)
That’s my point; nobody tries because harpies screech “network effects” every time it’s discussed…
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by pyb on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:26PM (#32298034)
Linkedin succeeds because most companies suck at recruiting so much, that this bottom-feeder behaviour by recruiters and Linkedin actually gets people hired, much faster than they otherwise would be. Recruitment agencies and their cheesy, ignorant reach-outs are actually what gets the market going. This is because hiring managers at tech companies don't want to do the job themselves, even though they'd do a lot better.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by A4ET8a8uTh0 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:31PM (#32298059)
This is exactly the issue. As sucky as LinkedIn is, it actually did result in better results for me than average HR department at a given company. That should not be the case, but so very often it is.. therefore, LinkedIn remains one of the viable options.

I am relatively lucky, because I am now old enough to have friends, colleagues and some reputation so I do not need it ( amusingly, my profile was flagged for something recently and I have not looked back ), but I remember when I did and recruiters were the least painful way to get my foot in the doors

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by brightball on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:50PM (#32298217)
Honestly, this feels like a natural reaction to the ruling that they couldn’t stop people from scraping their site.

They probably just decided, we may as well do it too.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by shafyy on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:06PM (#32297868)
I've deleted my LinkedIn profile years ago because it was annoying as hell.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by oriettaxx on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:15PM (#32298398)
> Every developer I know either simply dislikes the LinkedIn experience, or knows about the company's shitty behaviour and despises the company (to the point of deleting their profile

omg, I had that feeling too (and I actually removed my profile): good: I thought I was alone :)

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by vlunkr on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:21PM (#32298956)
To be fair, who ever wanted a work-based social media platform? People have accounts because it’s expected as part of the recruiting process. The only people I see posting on there are embarrassing “workfluencers” sharing each other’s content into the void.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by divbzero on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:32PM (#32298555)
My hope that Microsoft’s professional oversight would be a healthy moderating influence has not panned out.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by jacquesm on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:03PM (#32298826)
HN humor at its best.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by TedShiller on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:34PM (#32298582)
You might notice that Microsoft has destroyed all of its acquisitions
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by f6v on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:36PM (#32297612)
I have the opposite experience. I don’t get any messages from recruiters after having set the appropriate preferences. And I use LinkedIn to connect to relevant people in my field.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by mostlyghostly on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:20PM (#32297996)
My recruiter invites have been dropping at a exponential rate once I passed age 45. LinkedIn is apparently a fairly efficient platform for age discrimination.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by wyclif on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:48PM (#32298204)
One way to mitigate that somewhat is to never put your age online. I plan on being 39 for as long as possible.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by t_mann on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:16PM (#32298412)
Your CV kinda gives it away though...
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by derekbaker783 on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:15PM (#32298909)
Drop everything beyond N years...
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by wyclif on Sunday July 31, 2022 @09:25PM (#32300765)
Yes. Most people's CV's who have been around for a while are too long anyway. The goal should be one page, with only the most recent/relevant experience.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by mostlyghostly on Sunday July 31, 2022 @11:10PM (#32301528)
Empirically, I'm getting about the same results from my 1 page and my 2 page CV, based on call back rates, funnel progression, and interviewer comments. Go ahead and use two pages if the incremental content is relevant to your overall pitch.

(In my case the extra material is relevant... I've run pricing at five companies, which is usually a massively cross-functional job. Unlike my typical competitor, I've also mastered most of the supporting technical, accounting, and commercial disciplines... which makes me a one stop shop for serious pricing problems.)

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by wyclif on Tuesday August 02, 2022 @07:44AM (#32317420)
Don't get me wrong, two pages might be optimal if you have lots of varied experience. I wasn't trying to make a case for one page only. It really depends on what you want to convey to interviewers.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by tedmiston on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:53PM (#32297765)
Consider yourself lucky.

I get hundreds per year.

Maybe 1 in 50 are decently relevant.

Many are mass spams. A good amount will be in tech I have no interest in, haven't worked in in over a decade, or have never worked in. It's clear the messages are sent without ever actually reading your profile or even job titles.

I wish there were a way to control only the handcrafted / non-spam messages reaching my inbox.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by reillyse on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:33PM (#32298570)
I have a PhD and so have Dr as my first name on LinkedIn.

All the automated messages address me as if Dr was my actual first name, So “hi Dr” or “Dr,…”

So it’s a good filter for all the machine created messages, which is a very very high percentage of them.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by jjulius on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:14PM (#32297932)
The ones that really grind my gears are the ones that clearly guessed your current work email address based on your LI profile and standard business email username formats.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by tedmiston on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:04PM (#32298312)
Oh for sure. I bet `<first name>@<small company>` or `<first.last>@<company>` goes a very long way.

There are seem to be some techniques for verifying existence of an email address without actually emailing it.

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/565504/how-to-check-if-a...

I tried the below services with a custom G Suite domain and, to my surprise, they successfully worked, even for addresses that I know have never been posted publicly (!).

https://email-checker.net/validate

https://clean.email/verifier/how-to-check-if-an-email-is-val...

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by boredtofears on Sunday July 31, 2022 @03:07PM (#32297874)
Yeah, I really don't have that much of a problem with LinkedIn. It definitely seems like they do scammy things, but I don't really notice since I really only login to it when I'm looking for a job. When I set my preference from "not looking" to "actively looking" or even the "casually looking" option (forgot what it's called), the flood gates get opened wide. Then it's pretty much just like picking a job from a job tree because there's usually so many options from recruiters. Then I turn it off, and the emails pretty much shut down (once in a while one or two seems to trickle through somehow, which is annoying but not that bad).

For my intent it kinda works the exact way I want it to, but I really only ever login when I'm looking for a job.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by kar5pt on Sunday July 31, 2022 @07:20PM (#32299849)
Am I crazy or did they get rid of this setting? I remember they used to have a way to set your status to "not looking", but I've been looking recently and can't find it.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by sunsunsunsun on Sunday July 31, 2022 @04:17PM (#32298418)
I wish I had this problem. I get maybe one or two messages from recruiters a month.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by abirch on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:46PM (#32297703)
It seems like it should be easy to replace LinkedIn but no one seems to do it. I've looked at Xing and a few others. I loved the premise of LinkedIn but you can't forward messages any more.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by ska on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:48PM (#32297725)
> it should be easy to replace

Often network effects dominate this sort of thing, so that's probably not true.

Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by abirch on Sunday July 31, 2022 @02:58PM (#32297807)
You're right about the network effect.
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by nsonha on Sunday July 31, 2022 @05:03PM (#32298825)
tell me how you find job posts, do you disklike the concept of a search engine for jobs?
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by smcl on Monday August 01, 2022 @05:44AM (#32303803)
I don't dislike the concept of a search engine for jobs. I haven't had to search for a job for a while, but there are plenty of places outside LinkedIn which provide job listings
Re:Tell HN: LinkedIn is automatically importing job postings... by nsonha on Wednesday August 03, 2022 @01:59AM (#32328139)
the whole idea of search engine is that you only go to one place, so, what that one place is gonna be?