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Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by tptacek on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:06AM (#31617181)
Not only does this mean the customer overpays, but the fish that end up on the plate are often ones you wouldn't want to eat in the first place. Escolar, which often shows up instead of tuna, contains histamines that can cause very disturbing side effects...

Escolar is delicious, and I'd be disappointed to learn that the "white tuna" I was getting was albacore (blech). Also: I don't think histamines have anything to do with the GI side effects of overconsuming escolar.

The whole article is pretty weak. "Stay away" from artificial vanilla, it says, but then: Cooks Illustrated triangle-tested this with panels and found that in baked goods, artificial vanilla is actually what you want. Your cinnamon is... cassia! Look for real Ceylon cinnamon on the label! Why? Who's to say?

The idea that you need to buy milk from local farms, or switch to nut milk, to avoid detergents is especially funny. I think they're just writing this stuff to grab attention, not because they have any insight into food counterfeiting. Belle Cushing was one year out of Brown when Conde asked her to put this together; I assume the research was a series of Google queries.

It's annoying because there really are interesting (and problematic!) counterfeiting issues. I'm terrified of supermarket olive oil. Too bad Conde has no better advice than to find a "tasting bar".

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by chrischen on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:12AM (#31617215)
I once bought a whole 6-8 inch block of dry-ice frozen escolar from some online sushi website and it caused some diarrhea (though not in any really bad way like an upset stomach—it just really lubricated your bowels). Also you'd have to eat a lot of it in one sitting. I read that it was due to indigestible oils, not histamines though.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by tptacek on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:15AM (#31617234)
Yeah, you need to be careful with escolar; a piece or two of nigiri is all I'd risk with it. But the reason you have to be careful with it is that, in addition to being indigestible, it's very delicious. It's something you'd want to eat a bunch of! If this article had any credibility, I'd say it's ironic that the only places I've ever had escolar served as escolar are Michelin-starred.

Publications have been trying to scare people with "counterfeit white tuna" for decades.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by chrischen on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:25AM (#31617268)
Oh boy I ate like a 3x5x2 inch chunk in one sitting that day. Needless to say I did shit my pants.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by tptacek on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:38AM (#31617332)
I guess what bugs me about this is that to me, if you're ordering "white tuna", escolar is the thing you want, not albacore. Albacore belongs in a can. It's not "counterfeit" so much as oddly-named.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by runnerup on Saturday June 04, 2022 @06:17PM (#31625632)
I don't think its just escolar that does this. I'm a huge fan of salmon and if I eat too much this also happens.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by chrischen on Sunday June 05, 2022 @12:33AM (#31628042)
I don’t think i’ve ever gotten this from salmon and I’ve eaten equivalent amounts of raw salmon before. However extremely greasy foods do cause a reaction down under for me so it could have been salmon belly or fatty salmon that you had too much of.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by slim on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:29AM (#31621470)
Check the origin of olive oil. If it's Tunisia, you're good. We've been exporting olive oil for 3000 years. It's all hand picked and pressed in the 12 hours following the harvest, the process has been mastered for generations. And "extra virgin" is the normal quality over here, we don't have lesser than that
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wolverine876 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:30PM (#31622340)
I have some Tunisian olive oil that I enjoy very much, and I am interested in learning more about it, but with respect, there's no reason presented why Tunisians or the Tunisian name would be less involved in counterfeiting that Greeks, Italians, Californians, etc.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by slim on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:49PM (#31622568)
Because we only produce olive oil in Tunisia and actually import other types of oil. It does not make sense economically to mix it with something that's not cheaper.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by voakbasda on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:29PM (#31623645)
There is also nothing preventing intermediate distributors outside Tunisia from blending and repackaging that oil with cheaper oils. Or from such scoundrels from outright lying about the country of origin.

No one has come up with an unbreakable or unforgeable supply chain for these goods, which is why counterfeiting is still such a problem.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by blacksmith_tb on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:42AM (#31621669)
I am sure that Tunisian olive oil is delicious (I've been to Morocco where it was also great, but not Tunisia - yet!) The problem for anyone who isn't there in person is not knowing if it's been mixed with less-delicious oil from somewhere else while it was being shipped. Here in the US I tend to stick to oil from California, which is less likely to have been tampered with (since it didn't travel as far, or pass through as many hands).
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by slim on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:19PM (#31622176)
I think this is mostly FUD. Olive oil gets botteled, sealed and branded before getting shipped to USA. When it's sold in bulk, you will find origins other than Tunisia on the bottle. Olive oil is like wine, every territory has it's own flavour. I'm sure some people will like the taste of Californian olive oil, while others will like the Tunisian olive oil
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by blacksmith_tb on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:23PM (#31625228)
Yes, that makes sense, if it was shipped in the bottle it should be fine I'm sure.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by hypertele-Xii on Saturday June 04, 2022 @07:09PM (#31626038)
Checks out. Organic Tunisian olive oil in one liter glass bottles is all I buy, all the way up here in Finland, and it's both the highest quality and cheapest, oddly enough.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wolverine876 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:36PM (#31622402)
Ironically, the parent comment has much less research than the article. For example,

> I don't think histamines have anything to do with the GI side effects of overconsuming escolar.

'I don't think'? That's it? Are you an expert? They didn't even say anything about excess consumption (not generally required for allergic reactions) in the part you quoted, so that seems like a strawperson.

> I assume the research was a series of Google queries.

At least the comment is honest about its sources.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by tptacek on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:27PM (#31626642)
There's literally a name for the GI illness escolar causes: keriorrhea. It's caused by the indigestibility of wax ester-containing oils in the muscle tissue of the fish; it's a phenomenon similar to those "fat-free-fat" potato chips they used to sell. The "histamine" thing is a reference (the author doesn't know it) to a problem (scombroid poisoning) caused by improper storage of many different kinds of fish, not just escolar --- tuna and amberjack cause it too. Scombroid poisoning happens because, above a certain temperature, histadine in the fish flesh is enzymatically converted to histamine.

Happy to help! Would have been happy to help the author of this bad article, too. Oh, well.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by dmcginty on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:35AM (#31617958)
To piggyback off of your comment on escolar, the article's description of toothfish being passed off as Chilean sea bass is also rather misleading. "Chilean sea bass" is just a marketing term for toothfish, which means they're the same thing. All Chilean sea bass is a type of toothfish, but the article makes it sound like there may be a way to get 'real' Chilean sea bass.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by EdwardDiego on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:30AM (#31619550)
Exactly, that was annoying, Chilean sea bass ain't nothing but a way to market toothfish.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by fsckboy on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:30AM (#31618187)
according to the research I just did, escolar is not toothfish; "Chilean seabass" is Patagonian toothfish.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by shakes_mcjunkie on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:20AM (#31617873)
I'm assuming the histamines thing is referring to scombroid poisoning which happens in escolar as well as other types of fish when it's not properly stored before eating.

https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/scombroid/index.html

This counterfeits food article is lazyily researched clickbait.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by EdwardDiego on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:29AM (#31619537)
Yeah, "stay away from imported milk powder", what, all of it? My country is pretty damn proud of the milk powder we export, it's good stuff. But let's not discuss the environmental cost a massive switch to dairying has inflicted.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by pull_my_finger on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:41AM (#31617355)
The article mentions pomegranate as a "super food".. something I've long wondered if these super foods are only "super" because at the time of discovery a lot of them are grown naturally and not commercially min/maxed for yield at the expense of nutrient panel etc.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by LargoLasskhyfv on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:20AM (#31621340)
Hrm. I'm into that pomegranate thing, maybe not so much for the superfood thing, but because I simply like the taste.

Anyways, there is an experience eating them, which I didn't have with any other food, so far. I only can compare this with the feeling of burning heat you'll get when for instance drinking strong alcohol(Brrr!), or chewing and swallowing a few pieces of raw garlic(Brrr!). Then one can feel a hot burning sensation, spreading out from the stomach, all over the tummy.

Similar happens with pomegranates. But different, not hot and burning, just a good feeling warmth. And this happens only eating them raw, not from drinking juice, no matter if organic/direct pressed, or from concentrates. Still tastes good, but doesn't have the "effect".

Doesn't really matter where they come from, the strength of the effect and the taste varies, it's all very variable, depending on ripe-/freshness? Similar as it is with apples.

I've had very good ones out of season coming from Chile, had excellent ones from Iran, Türkiye, and elsewhere I can't remember right now.

Whenever I see them in some grocer/supermarket I buy one ore two for testing, and when they are good I'll get one to two whole boxes whith about 25 to 30 of them. They store well, but it doesent really matter, since they are gone soon anyway :-)

tl;dr: Raw good, juice mostly still tasty, but not as good.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by showerst on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:34PM (#31623069)
Maybe you’re just slightly allergic to pomegranates?
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by LargoLasskhyfv on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:13PM (#31623491)
You mean the feeling of warmth spreading out is an allergic reaction?

If so I wouldn't care, because it feels good. I don't know how to describe this exactly. Maybe inducing a feeling of general wellbeing?

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wirthjason on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:48PM (#31616798)
While not a true counterfeit I'd be curious on the brands/foods/restaurants that increasingly add fillers to their products. As inflation rises companies turn shady tricks like less product for the same price and substituting ingredients to help offset the costs. These tricks tend to happen slowly so they go unnoticed to the average consumer.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wolverine876 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:53PM (#31622616)
Is there evidence connecting fraud to inflation? Very generally, the cost of someone's income and expenses both increase. It also provides a way for sellers to increase costs, regardless of inflation, then blame inflation like it's a natural force. There was a NY Times article about it in the last few months.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wirthjason on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:22PM (#31627329)
I’m not saying it’s outright fraud but companies change things and don’t tell the consumer. Im making up this example but let’s say you buy a coffee blend that’s composed of 60% bean A, which is more expensive, and 40% bean B. Then next week they flip the ratio, 60% B/40% A but still charge the same price. I can’t say it’s outright fraud but it kinda feels deceptive. Of course the company might say “consumers actually prefer the 2nd mix blah blah blah.”

I found a this article pretty good.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-12/how-infla...

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wolverine876 on Sunday June 05, 2022 @01:47AM (#31628388)
I understand, but I'm saying it's fraud. I think we somehow have lowered our standards for 'business'. If customers prefer the second mix, then there's no reason the vendor can't label it as such and let customers make up their own minds.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wirthjason on Sunday June 05, 2022 @02:04AM (#31628443)
I see what you mean. I totally agree. It’s a bit like a bait an switch.

I’m not aware of any consumer protection laws against something like that. The only thing I could think of is either regulated products, like buying 2% milk that isn’t 2%. Or where it’s a obviously counterfeit.

In the former case of regulation Bryers ice cream changed their labeling to remove “ice cream” because it doesn’t meet the USDA definition of ice cream and instead call it “frozen dairy dessert”.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/is-your-favorite-ice...

The best people could do is vote with their dollars but it’s not always obvious.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by artificialLimbs on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:02AM (#31617160)
I see butter didn't make the list. Butter quality has gone to shit in many brands recently, and some of it tastes like it was mixed with or is wholly pure margarine. Kerrigold was sued recently over their claim that their butter is from pasture raised cows.

Edit: "has been" = was

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by freddie_mercury on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:33AM (#31617306)
This is a disingenuous comment.

I just Googled the Kerrygold thing. A single person sued, making claims. Suit dismissed by judge four years ago.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by udit99 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:41AM (#31617354)
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by frank_nitti on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:42AM (#31618262)
Well, now that does seem pretty misleading on Kerrygold’s part. Very similar to the “from Italy” essentially meaning “spent a nonzero amount of time within Italy’s borders” in some cases, as the author called out.

Likewise Kerrygold’s cows are “grass-fed” insofar as they’ve ingested grass at some point in their lives… I think it merits the criticism

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by lnsru on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:37AM (#31617966)
The article is talking about expensive food. There is good German television series about industrial food processing. When you end with bacon chips without any bacon inside. Or wasabi product containing 0,07% wasabi. But heck, I just bought fake 2€ sanding paper. It looks like sanding paper, but does nothing to the sanding object while the real brand paper is super efficient and durable. I mostly assume that the goods I buy now are fake.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by crabbygrabby on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:11AM (#31619416)
I bought fake sand paper on accident two years ago or so. Was completely useless, but did appear like sandpaper....
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wirthjason on Sunday June 05, 2022 @02:08AM (#31628458)
I don’t get it. How do you buy fake sandpaper? Was it on Amazon and you couldn’t feel it?
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by Blackthorn on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:09AM (#31616894)
I think the cinnamon one is a bit unfair. Cassia is what basically everyone in the USA knows and expects as cinnamon.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by stouset on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:29AM (#31616991)
Alternatively you could see this as a damning consequence of letting this kind of “innocent” food fraud go unchecked. It’s gotten so bad with cinnamon that effectively zero percent of cinnamon in America is cinnamon, but is a cheaper counterfeit.

Part of me is inclined to agree with you. There’s nothing “wrong” with cassia. But it bothers me that we’ve established a precedent that we can just label one food as another because it’s cheaper and easier to access.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by esperent on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:36AM (#31617019)
There's two types of cinnamon commonly used as a spice:

Cassia cinnamon

Ceylon cinnamon

The latter is what this article is calling "real" but they are both real. Ceylon originates in India and is used in Indian cooking. Cassia originates in SEA/China Asia and is used in recipes there.

They are simply two different varieties of the same tree and they are both cinnamon. In fact there are many more varieties than just that two, same as with apples, tea, coffee or any other plant and it makes no sense to designate only one variety of cinnamon as "real". They have different flavors and neither is better.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by 6177c40f on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:58AM (#31617149)
In fact, the genus Cinnamomum which contains cassia and ceylon (C. cassia and C. verum, respectively) is pretty large and diverse. Sometimes what people refer to as cassia can actually be one of several species, e.g. C. burmannii, which is also often referred to as korintje. There are others that can be ambiguously named. E.g. the aromatic compound camphor is harvested from camphorwood (Cinnamomum camphora), which is not to be confused with the tree known as camphorwood in Australia, Cinnamomum oliveri.

I have no real point here other than cinnamon (i.e. the genus Cinnamomum) is fascinating and confusing in equal measures and people should definitely read up on it.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by LordAtlas on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:13AM (#31617524)
> Ceylon originates in India and is used in Indian cooking.

As an Indian, I can assure you that the cinnamon we use in our cooking is indeed Cassia.

Ceylon is in Sri Lanka, a bit south of us.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by esperent on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:42PM (#31626738)
Ah, thanks for the info, I didn't know that - I have only travelled in the south of India and found that mostly Ceylon was used.

Cassia does originally come from China though, although I guess it has spread a long way.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by fsckboy on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:38AM (#31618238)
it's not, however, "unfair" to teach people that there are actually different varieties of a product they buy, and that one is more expensive and maybe presumed to be better. I agree with you that they did not make all these distictions clearly, but it was interesting to learn and I plan to taste test them when I can.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by esperent on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:43PM (#31626750)
They are literally calling other varieties "fake" and telling you to avoid them at all costs. Not really what I would call teaching.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by avereveard on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:17AM (#31617242)
There is almost zero correlation in Italy between the type of the rice on the package and the type of the rice contained, only a couple types have regulations, and even for these they're not always respected [1]

I hate it because we're often sold an inferior product and likewise it's probably too late to do anything about it.

1. http://bressanini-lescienze.blogautore.espresso.repubblica.i...

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by 6177c40f on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:47AM (#31617092)
Yeah, I would argue that calling it counterfeit is completely wrong. Cassia and Ceylon cinnamon are both in the genus cinnamomum, so it's completely appropriate to call both cinnamon. Really, they're two very different spices whose flavors are only somewhat similar and have different culinary uses, but Ceylon cinnamon is less common in the US, so when we say cinnamon we pretty much always mean it to be cassia cinnamon- no deception or counterfeiting involved here.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by _rutinerad on Saturday June 04, 2022 @05:01AM (#31618352)
Kind of like wasabi. The people who expect real wasabi know what to look for.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by WalterGR on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:05PM (#31616574)
I've heard that most wasabi in American restaurants is actually horseradish with green food coloring. Does anyone know more?
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by RajT88 on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:21PM (#31616649)
I had heard the same, but it is true even in Japan.

Real Wasabi is insanely water-intensive. This is where I first read about it:

https://www.theatlantic.com/video/index/585172/wasabi-fake/

There is a NZ brand which has cracked cultivation. It is not cheap.

https://www.purewasabi.co.nz/

ETA: I have not tried it. Saving the purchase for when I can talk my wife into sushi from my wild catches. Tall order.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by dendrite9 on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:52PM (#31616821)
There are a number of places in the PNW that grow wasabi, at least one on Vancouver island, one in Oregon, and I think one in Washington. The price at my local asian grocery store seems to range from $99 to $199 per pound over the last 3-4 years. Totally nonscientific, I just pay attention when picking up other herbs. I'd guess about $129/lb is normal there. I still haven't convinced myself to make a meal to justify the expense, I don't cook enough Japanese food.

https://www.thewasabistore.com/the-farm-1

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by staticautomatic on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:05AM (#31616870)
NC State University’s horticulture program also cultivates it in mountain stream beds.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by kurthr on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:33PM (#31616716)
Yes, even in Japan real wasabi is a treat at a nice sushi place. Most wasabi is gathered and cultivated by hand, and then freshly hand grated for your seating. You can buy the root at some Japanese stores and grate it yourself.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by froh on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:45AM (#31617071)
side remark wrt wild catch:

Take good care of parasites. The deep frying of stor bought fish is also a parasite treatment, so is cooking. Wild catch needs detailed knowledge for the specific species, if and how it needs inspection and if and how it can be eaten uncooked and unfrozen, ie completely raw.

Wild catch is not just in and by itself "good and healthy"

This article has some sound references at the end:

https://sushimodern.com/sushi/safe-sushi-grade-species/

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by RajT88 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:07AM (#31617186)
Oh yes. I am well aware of the parasites.

Our next freezer will be of the requisite grade.

Local fishing charters here like to dice up fresh salmon or trout on the boat as sashimi. I reckon their customers stay thin, if you follow my meaning.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by giantg2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:53AM (#31619735)
I don't think you need a special grade freezer. Just one that isn't self defrosting. It only has to be at -4F for a week or two.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by RajT88 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @11:33AM (#31621528)
Yeah, you can shorten that time with colder temperatures I have read.

Also, some fancy sushi chefs let the fish age a while at very low temps. See: Naomichi Yasuda

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by froh on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:23AM (#31617577)
Freezing deep freezing! autocorrect fried my freezing, can't edit any more, thanks for reading my gibberish as intended
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by giantg2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:50AM (#31619719)
According to the FDA tuna is the only one that's not required to undergo parasite destruction. Even then is not "no risk" its "extremely small risk".
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by 0des on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:35PM (#31616730)
yeah but if you get real wasabi, to do it justice you're gonna need the traditional shark pelt mounted on an artisanal wooden board to grind it on. we aren't peasants.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by tptacek on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:02AM (#31617158)
In the US, you're generally paying extra for real wasabi (it'll be on the menu, in a better Japanese place). Honestly: unless you're like a connoisseur of wasabi, the "fake" stuff is a more effective product; real, freshly grated wasabi is kind of watery and weak. Certainly, if you're one of those "mix wasabi into the soy sauce" people, real wasabi isn't what you want.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by jiggawatts on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:46AM (#31617383)
A simple rule of thumb is: if the chef didn’t grate the wasabi in front of you immediately before serving, you got coloured horse radish.

I’ve had plenty of both but I generally enjoy the sharper heat of the latter more, even though it annoys me that it’s mislabelled and hence a bit “fake”.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by supernova87a on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:15AM (#31617233)
It's worth trying real wasabi at least once to know what it tastes like and appreciate it. It has hints of grass, as it should for a vegetable/root that has been recently grated, sometimes in front of you (and it must be recently grated, to not have lost its flavor). It has a slower/deeper flavor than the horseradish stuff which hits you more immediately in the nose like mustard -- real wasabi takes just a little longer. And you can definitely tell it's a plant fiber, it's not just a mushy paste like the powdered stuff.

Ask for it at higher priced places where they take a little more care about the fish quality and eventually you're bound to find some. Like so many things it's good to know the difference at least once. It's no huge loss if you only eat the horseradish the rest of the time, but at least have experienced it once!

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wirthjason on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:37PM (#31616737)
I don’t see much problem with this. Most Japanese people have a green tube of grated wasabi in their house. (https://www.sbfoods.co.jp/products/detail/16343.html)

There’s definitely filler (more than 50% is real)but I don’t think people care, especially the average busy wife trying to get dinner on the table every day.

Most of the time I’ve had real wasabi its at a super nice place, like eating kaiseki, and it’s presented as the root with a small shark skin grater.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by metaphor on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:11AM (#31616915)
> Most Japanese people have a green tube of grated wasabi in their house. (https://www.sbfoods.co.jp/products/detail/16343.html)

>> 原材料名: 本わさび、西洋わさび、...

...except the everyday stuff shown in your link indeed contains substantial 本わさび as a first ingredient, whereas the typical stuff sold in the US[1] is effectively just 西洋わさび and happens to be explicitly labeled "For external Japan" (despite also being manufactured in Japan) for reasons.

In other words, a consumer in Japan who settles on "close enough" isn't really making an equivalent compromise as a consumer in the US.

[1] https://www.sbfoods-worldwide.com/products/search/001.html

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wirthjason on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:31AM (#31616999)
Excellent points. It makes me wonder… I love yuzukosho. I don’t taste the difference but I wonder if the ingredients are significantly different from between the JP and the US one.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wolverine876 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:44PM (#31622500)
Then they can label it something else and let people make their own decisions about it.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by 0des on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:37PM (#31616740)
Also most storebought salmon and tuna is soaked in red/pink dye to give it that color. Farm raised fish don't always have that color unless their diet supplies the carotenoids and other things they need for that color, like a flamingo that turns pink from its diet.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by exhilaration on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:16AM (#31619946)
It's not dye, it's carbon monoxide. New York Times article: https://nyti.ms/3Ni2CFL
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by 0des on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:48AM (#31620279)
Where I am located, it is dye. Dye is far more common.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by TedDoesntTalk on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:08AM (#31616886)
Is that true for wild salmon or only farm Raised salmon?
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wahern on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:31AM (#31617294)
I don't think the flesh of farmed salmon is actually soaked in dye. Rather, farmers use an additive in the food pellets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astaxanthin Note that astaxanthin is also what colors the flesh of wild salmon, they just consume it naturally. https://wildalaskancompany.com/blog/heres-why-salmon-are-pin...
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by wrp on Saturday June 04, 2022 @04:37AM (#31618232)
In South Korean markets, the cheap tubes of "wasabi" are colored horseradish. The texture of the cheap stuff is grainier. As for the taste difference, I can't think of the right words, but it's like the difference between cheap and fine coffee. The flavor of real thing is somehow mellower and richer.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by legitster on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:01AM (#31616857)
I've had real wasabi and was pretty underwhelmed. Not nearly as strong so you appreciate the flavors more. But not worth the exorbitant price.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by staticautomatic on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:04AM (#31616864)
I disagree, though I’m not sure it’s all that superior to freshly grated white horseradish.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by more_corn on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:50AM (#31620307)
Yes, real wasabi has an earthy flavor and will be a bit chunky. You’ll know it if you get it and you’ll be paying a lot extra for it (even in Japan). Most of us have never had real wasabi.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by InCityDreams on Saturday June 04, 2022 @10:10AM (#31620505)
Not just USA. Got mugged in Europe: wasabi was actually horseradish. My fault? Should have read the label, i guess.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by IshKebab on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:18PM (#31624119)
Is it really mugging if "wasabi" is really horseradish everywhere? At this point wasabi is just the name for horseradish paste.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by jhugo on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:10AM (#31616905)
Living in southeast Asia, i just look for the spelling mistakes. Pretty sure Quaker Oats don't really put "seaving suggetions" on the tin.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by legitster on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:03AM (#31616863)
I remember an anecdote about Heinz insisting his products come in glass containers. Apparently at the time it wasn't unheard of for the bottom of canned goods to be packed with rocks or sawdust.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by grapeskin on Saturday June 04, 2022 @02:25AM (#31617592)
And now we've returned to that era with overly large plastic packaging that's only 50% full, if that.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by em-bee on Saturday June 04, 2022 @03:32AM (#31617937)
for a completely different industry (lego bricks) someone explained that the overly large packaging comes from automation. because the machines just drop stuff in an open box. an they need extra space to avoid overflow or parts falling off the side because they didn fall into the right place.

just like you use a large funnel to avoid spillage even when a smaller one would do.

i also read elsewhere that the products settle during transport. which at least makes sense for corn flakes and other similar shaped foods.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by krageon on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:10PM (#31622812)
If this were the case, the air would not keep increasing relative to bag size. Leaving all that aside, the crisps I bought as a child came in bags with nowhere near this amount of "required" extra space. This is quite simply a deceptive marketing tactic to make you be at peace with getting less for more (or the same, best-case).
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by giantg2 on Saturday June 04, 2022 @08:42AM (#31619645)
My favorite was when I was buying Great Value "100% Natural Flavor" chocolate syrup... which contains vanillin. False advertise much?
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by 542458 on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:41PM (#31616765)
Vanilla extract is listed - I’ve recently been using homemade extract. I originally did this because I ran out during a covid spike, but it works well enough that I’ll probably continue doing it.

It’s relatively straightforward. Just chuck a split vanilla bean or two in with some strong liquor like tequila or vodka and let it sit for a month or two.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by millimeterman on Saturday June 04, 2022 @12:11AM (#31616912)
Good vanilla extract is made using a more complex process than just putting vanilla in alcohol [1]. With that said, in most usages the differences between good extract, cheap extract, and even artificial extract are not noticeable [2].

1. https://www.seriouseats.com/diy-vanilla-extract

2. https://www.seriouseats.com/taste-test-is-better-vanilla-ext...

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by 542458 on Sunday June 05, 2022 @08:26AM (#31630363)
Thats an interesting pair of articles. Thanks for the links.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by orev on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:48PM (#31616801)
Things that are imitated are usually done so because the “real thing” is expensive and/or hard to get. This is like saying “why buy a fake Rolex when you can just buy a real one”. Sure, you can, but it pretty much misses the point of why imitations exist.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by legitster on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:59PM (#31616848)
I've forgone real vanilla completely. It's expensive, inconsistent, and very bad for the environment.

The taste we associate with real vanilla is it's imperfections anyway. So I'll cut artificial vanilla with a splash of bitters and bourbon and have found it to be generally superior for most recipes.

Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by jonahbenton on Friday June 03, 2022 @11:26PM (#31616681)
(2014)
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by moistly on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:54AM (#31617420)
Dang. I don’t see a way to edit the title now. Sorry.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by supernova87a on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:16AM (#31617237)
Ugh, "pork bung calamari scandal"?
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by more_corn on Saturday June 04, 2022 @09:55AM (#31620358)
Yeah, this was the one I came looking for. Inverted pork anuses look just like calamari. If you’re not getting tentacles you’re getting pig butthole.
Re:Common counterfeit foods and how to identify them (2014) by pleb_nz on Saturday June 04, 2022 @01:01AM (#31617155)
No wasabi?