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Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by c7DJTLrn on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:38AM (#31489522)
Good man, I hate Dyson shit so much. It's all overpriced rubbish. Whenever I see their hand-dryers in a public bathroom I just use paper towels instead because they tend to blow stagnant water and particles in your face.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by oxplot on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:18AM (#31492457)
> Whenever I see their hand-dryers in a public bathroom I just use paper towels

Removing and replacing paper towels with hand dryers in public bathrooms has been an unfortunately shortsighted move that's been copied without much thought. Hands aren't the only thing that get wet in a public bathroom. You may wash your face, you may be removing stuff off your clothing, and countless other uses that a hand dryer alone can't accommodate.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by samatman on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:24AM (#31493317)
Aerosolizing whatever might happen to be stuck to someone's hands is pretty irresponsible all by itself.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by orev on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:50PM (#31494495)
By the time you make it to the drying step, whatever that stuff is, should have already been removed by the soap, water, and scrubbing.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by samatman on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @02:06PM (#31495471)
Thanks Mom.

Seriously, if paper napkins and no Dyson Aerosol-Your-Skin-Cells-9000 means I don't have to think about the sanitary habits of my fellow citizens, that would be reason enough to stop installing them.

They also scream like a banshee and don't dry your hands. I happen to also wear a beard, perhaps you can see why having only the Scream And Don't Dry My Hands Machine available would be unsatisfactory.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by foundart on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:58PM (#31494617)
I don’t think it’s safe to assume that people are doing that good of a job on the wash step.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by ssl232 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:00PM (#31497494)
And even if they did, many (most?) bathrooms have doors that open inwards, so you have to touch the same bare metal that they (and every other previous user) also touched... and I'm yet to be convinced by the usual argument that it's for fire safety.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Terry_Roll on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:08PM (#31493886)
Those directional nozzle hand dryers that twist upwards so you can dry your face is a big billy bonus. One of my favourite campsites set in the Welsh Mountains has a Dyson blade for drying hands, and sure its very quick to dry your hands, but on a freezing winters day or night coming back from a hike in the mountains and its freezing cold and you are soaked through, the directional nozzle hand dryers give you that warmth you can never get from the Dyson blade, like drying the insides of your hiking boots for the next morning.

The ultimate bachelor's vacuum cleaner was the Dyson DC15 Animal. It just cleaned and cleaned and cleaned, their newer stuff I dont rate.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Fnoord on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:55AM (#31490023)
I grew up with a Miele vacuum cleaner (my parents were all about Miele). Only disadvantage is they last so long that newer hardware is potentially more energy efficient. I don't get the point of wireless vacuum cleaner except autonomic ones and in niches where you don't have electricity (like an area where the electricity is often down). Having recently owned some different brands (Samsung, Beko) which broke down got us back te Miele again.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Shaanie on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @06:10AM (#31490123)
Have you ever used a wireless vacuum? It may sound stupid, but it saves significant time and effort over a conventional vacuum; taking the clunky vacuum out, plugging it in, unplugging it and putting it back means it takes (much) more than twice as long to do spot vacuuming.

Personally I'm never going back to a corded vacuum if I can avoid it.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by wlesieutre on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @07:09AM (#31490503)
Not even mentioning the cord management? You just vacuum where you want to vacuum and don’t have to drag a cord behind you and throw it around to keep it out of the way of being run over.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by PetitPrince on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @06:28AM (#31490211)
This!

The friction to use a cordless vacuum is very low compared to a corded one. And consequently, vacuuming change from being a chore that's done once few weeks for a an hour to some short 5-10 minutes burst every few days.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by mr-debil on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:19AM (#31491693)
They're talking Miele, which most likely means canister vacuums. The two of you have very different mentality / approaches to vacuuming...and that's totally OK.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by oxplot on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:10AM (#31492345)
> I don't get the point of wireless vacuum cleaner

The point of anything cordless is how it eliminates the hassle of, well, dealing with cords. In case of a vacuum cleaner, one has to:

- pull the cord out

- plug and re-plug it

- ensure it doesn't get stuck around the corners and under furniture legs

- ensure it doesn't pull some other furniture and topple them over

In addition, corded vacuums have practically no power envelope or weight restrictions, so they end up being bulky, heavy and loud, even if the context in which they are used doesn't require the power.

Dyson cordless (I can't speak to any other) in contrast:

- weighs lot less and can be carried around with ease

- can be moved around without a second thought of where the cord is or whether it can be maneuvered in a certain way

- is a lot quieter (can be used at night)

- is instantly accessible without any setup so it makes sense to use it for a few seconds to clean something up

- can be used outside of the house where there is no power outlet - e.g. in the car in a rental apartment parking

Since I switched to cordless (which has been 6 years or so), I no longer dread vacuuming. It's actually a pleasant experience and sometimes, when I get a few minutes, I do a clean of areas that get dirty often (entrance).

The battery life and the power available have improved to the point where it's no longer something I worry about (especially for my two bedroom apartment).

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by esaym on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:15AM (#31493189)
I've never used or even looked at Dyson, but the problem with most vacuums is how the vacuum itself slowly falls apart until it is no longer usable (even though the motor still has years of life left). For years I rocked a 1986 rainbow I bought off of ebay in 2003 for $200. But found myself using it less and less since it is big and you have to fill it with water each time.

Bought a Shark upright that I used in between my more thorough weekly rainbow vacuumings. But the shark was slowly falling apart, and you can't buy replacement parts and there are so many models, that finding used parts is not really possible either.

So I did the "buy once, cry once" routine and bought a Sebo E2 canister. Like many other European brands, parts are easily available and you no longer have a disposable product which is a win in my case.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by hetspookjee on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:19AM (#31492461)
You most definitely cannot use the Dyson V7 at night as it’s really loud, especially noticeable is the very high pitched sound.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by oxplot on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:20AM (#31492477)
I pack a V10 :) - Also, I didn't mean using it at night next to someone sleeping. But rather, as not to awaken your neighbors.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by blagie on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @07:26AM (#31490637)
I'll be the contrarian. I have a Roomba and a Dyson cordless. I'm very happy, and my home is much cleaner than with my old industrial-grade vacuum:

- The Roomba goes once a day. It doesn't pick up much in one pass, but my house is much cleaner because it runs all the time. Covering the same spot many times, it does well.

- The Dyson cleans very well, and picks up all the places the Roomba doesn't get to or emergency spills. It's never run out of batteries.

On the whole, it's less effort and cleaner than with my old big'un vacuum.

And if I want to do a deep clean, I'd rather wash in either case.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Lio on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:56AM (#31493731)
One thing to keep in mind is filtration.

I currently own a Dyson cordless for vacuuming the mattress when I change the sheets, a Bosch class M industrial vacuum and a Miele from before the dawn of time.

I’ve previously owned a Roomba.

I have the Bosch as a workshop vacuum and if I need to clean up something I don’t want blowing back into the air it’s the one I use. Eg brick dust or MDF dust.

Both my Dyson and my old Roomba were bagless and when you empty them it goes all over place.

I also don’t trust the filtering on them. They say hepa filters but that doesn’t mean it’s not leakng out case somewhere.

You only get one set of lungs so if it maters to you get something better than a Dyson.

My Miele still works well but I don’t trust the filtering on thar either.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by blagie on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @11:35AM (#31506043)
When I did the vacuuming myself, I had a sealed, true HEPA system. It made a big difference. For the Roomba, I'm not sure it matters. I'm never around when the Roomba is running. I run it when I'm running errands or picking kids up from school. Or I'll run it in a bedroom when I'm in the office or vice-versa. I don't like the noise. Since COVID, I also have a HEPA filter in each room.

If the Roomba kicks anything up:

- If it lands back on the carpet, it will get it on the next pass.

- If it doesn't land on the carpet, the air filter will get it.

My allergies are a lot better with this setup than what I had before.

However, the Dyson has a HEPA filter, but it's definitely not a sealed HEPA filter or "true" HEPA. Air goes around. The air coming out smells dusty. It's fine because it's only for things which the Roomba can't get to, but I'd be very unhappy with it as my sole vacuum cleaner. For what it does, it's super-convenient.

I should also mention: I have a carpet washing machine too. I rarely use it (much less than I should), but it's a huge step up.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by germinalphrase on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:54AM (#31492913)
I’ve always been interested in Roombas for this use case, but reviews have always pointed toward “fun for a hobbiest, but utility doesn’t outweigh drawbacks”. Have they gotten better in recent years?
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by blagie on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @11:25AM (#31505891)
I don't know what older Roombas were like, but mine does a really good job.

It doesn't pick up a lot of trash on one pass, but it makes many passes. Even with many passes, it sometimes misses stuff that my old big vacuum would have picked up, but I run it every day or every other day.

The carpets stay really, really clean.

A side benefit -- to me -- is that I need to keep the floors Roomba-ready. If you leave laundry, cables, etc. on the floor, you've got a problem. YMMV if you have family; with some visitors, I can't use the Roomba at all.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by cronix on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:30PM (#31494207)
Funnily enough, the cord was the thing that eventually wore out due to normal use and needed to be replaced several times on all of our vacuums growing up. It's trivial to fix, but most don't know how and didn't want to lug a big heavy vacuum to a repair shop and just end up getting a new vacuum. I enjoy not tripping all over a cord or constantly having to tug it out of the way of where I want to vacuum. I enjoy not having to constantly plug/unplug it while moving from room to room when I run out of cord. I enjoy not having to wind the cord up after every use. It's so easy to clean the car and not have to weave the cord everywhere. I enjoy not having wear marks from the cord in the paint of the floor trim, which happens a lot in doorways as they protrude inward from the wall, or any time you go around a corner and pull the cord.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Gigachad on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @06:25AM (#31490195)
I switched from a Dyson corded vacuum to a Samsung battery powered one and it’s amazing. I’ll never go back to wired vacuums. My parents have a Dyson battery powered one and it is garbage.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by oxplot on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:14AM (#31492390)
Dyson constantly improved their cordless vacuums in the past 6 years. I have a V10 which is leaps and bounds better than V7. The battery runs forever, the bin is larger and empties cleanly without meddling, has a great weight distribution and it's more powerful.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by thinkmassive on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @12:29PM (#31494191)
Even with newer models available, the V10 still seems to hit the sweet spot of high performance without extra weight.

The newer models offer larger batteries and debris capacity, and higher power (suction), but as you mentioned the V10 has been plenty for my household, so they don’t seem worth the extra weight let alone expense.

I previously had a V7 that worked well enough in a smaller home for a few years. After the battery started deteriorating I replaced it with an aftermarket one, but that was slightly larger so it no longer fit in the charging dock. Now the V7 lives in a campervan where it’s still plenty useful.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by brnt on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @03:22PM (#31496435)
Bought a house with a 30 year old Siematic kitchen... it all works, but maybe after 30 years you dont need it to work anymore. It's loud and not very energy efficient, and 30 years will leave some grime in places where toothbrushes don't go.

Our next kitchen won't be a Siematic.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Consultant32452 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @07:06AM (#31490477)
I have one of each and the cordless is the go-to for spot cleaning spills and vacuuming the stairs. My Miele canister vacuum is amazing, but a relative hassle.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by grishka on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:25AM (#31489813)
I always ignore the hand dryers regardless of the brand if there are paper towels.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Xcelerate on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:45AM (#31489569)
Are they that bad? I’ve been interested in buying a cordless vacuum, and the Dyson ones seem to top all the review lists (e.g. Wirecutter). What are some good alternatives?
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by unfoldedCravat on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:35AM (#31489886)
Not really relevant to cordless ones but I know Dyson removed their pre-motor filter on their latest corded vacuums. If the dust chamber is too full excess dust is blown through the motor and then stopped from coming out into the air by a post motor filter. This will lead to premature motor failure over time.

The Dyson 'bagless' idea is a bit of a sham. Yes they work, but they don't work that well. They don't make as much suction as their bagged competitors so they cheat and use smaller orifices to increase suction instead of by having a larger motor or alternative design. Then in order to have 'like new' performance all the time you have to continually wash (which doesn't really clean well enough) or replace filters.

Some people love them but they don't make sense to me. If I'm emptying my vacuum I'm going to empty it into a bag anyway so I may as well use a bagged vacuum that works more consistently and doesn't throw dust everywhere.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by mr-debil on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:24AM (#31491759)
I love bagless, it is perfect for my use case. I have Huskies and fill up the canister multiple times per vacuuming of the house. The majority of my vacuuming is just picking up hair, not dirt. I'd fill bags up so quickly, and I've yet to find one that is replaceable as quick as a bagless canister can be emptied.

It's not a sham, different use cases call for different things.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by nikau on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:13AM (#31489739)
They are good in certain circumstances, but they use a few tricks, eg. there is no battery meter on the V6 to avoid range anxiety, so it will just die without warning and flash a LED vs having a battery gauge.

The suction is also pretty poor, however it makes up for it by having a roller in the vacuum head which picks up the dirt.

If you have anyone in the house with long hair its almost unusable as the roller will be clogged up after a single vacuum. A traditional vacuum with better suction and no roller wont have this issue.

On the plus side they are light and manoeuvrable, and the wall mount means you always keep it charged.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by nsteel on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:19AM (#31489775)
I agree with all of this. I've had mine 5 years now, the battery life was never greatand unsurprisingly it's not getting any better... Would I'd buy another? Probably not. I heard Shark is supposed to be pretty good.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by sithadmin on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:37AM (#31492705)
Shark's cordless vacs are pretty mediocre. Especially poor battery life. Tossed mine in favor for a Roborock that is only marginally more expensive, but far better in basically every way (run time, suction power, accessories, ease of cleaning).
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by nsteel on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @07:56PM (#31498966)
I've never heard of Roborock and cant find much availability in Europe which might explain the one price I did find. Shame, the Dyson won't cut it once I move to a bigger place.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Lio on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:05AM (#31489684)
I have one of the cordless vacs. It works well at being a cordless, the size is great and it's easy to handle but...

It's made of really cheap plastic and has cracked in a few places.

Being bagless is good in that I can see what it's collected but bad in that when come to empty it the dust I'm allergic to goes everywhere. (If only someone would invent a bag to keep the dust in eh?).

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by 1-more on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @11:41AM (#31493544)
I had a Dyson. I lost it in a breakup. I got a Shark. I figured any cordless stick vacuum is gonna get me what I want. The Shark is nowhere near as good. I found a Dyson on the street. It runs circles around the Shark. It's no contest. It makes it so easy to vacuum without all the ceremony of vacuuming from the past.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by xiphias2 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @06:35AM (#31490257)
I guess people just like complaining, it works great, especially used together with a robotic vacuum cleaner for the easy locations. I just got some food on the floor an hour ago, I would have been lazy to get a wired vacuum cleaner there, but with Dyson wireless it was really easy.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by rbinv on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:50AM (#31489608)
I love their cordless vacuums. Mine's approaching 6 years with no issues whatsoever. My previous (corded) Dyson vacuum also works perfectly to this day, bought in 2006 and used at least every other day (because dogs) for 10 years. It fell down the stairs a couple of times, too. Really robust in my experience.

The cordless one does not quite match the suction, but it's so much more convenient and sufficient nonetheless.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by sirfz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:18AM (#31489763)
I got a Black & Decker cordless vacuum and it works great. Great battery (~60-90m runtime on full charge) which is also easily swappable (same batteries as their drills) with decent suction, build quality feels good too. It's almost 3x cheaper than the Dyson so really great value
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by dontlaugh on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:49AM (#31489594)
Unfortunately, they make the best cordless vacuum. I have one and it's very good, but I couldn't say it was good value.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by yardie on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:03AM (#31491477)
I have the Dyson V10. And I got it much cheaper by buying refurb and coupon stacking for <$200. I think they were the first to get the cordless vacuum formfactor right. There are many alternatives now that are significantly cheaper. And if I wasn't able to purchase mine at the price I did I probably would have considered them.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by ChrisRR on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:05AM (#31489682)
No they're not that bad. The jets are pointed downwards

Dyson aren't awful but they're definitely overpriced.

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by d3ckard on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:46AM (#31489963)
I have a V8, my wife loves it and I appreciate it as well. We have a large apartment, so we prefer cordless solutions. Dyson has a decent battery and enough of sucking force to be useful. Personally can recommend. It also cleans super easily, with one lever.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by bruce343434 on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @04:46AM (#31489575)
I have a corded dyson that doesn't use those dust bags, but it sucks (but not in the way a vacuum is supposed to). It's squeaky plastic and feels rough/wrong on the ground.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by karavelov on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:56AM (#31490034)
Miele - more expensive than Dyson though.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by slowmotiony on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @06:20AM (#31490172)
I use a Tineco one - twice as cheap as the Dyson and it works great for years now.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by jalk on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:13AM (#31492382)
Don't know how good it is, but I'm considering a Bosch universalvac 18 since it uses the same batteries as a bunch of their cordless tools and garden products (18V) which I already have a couple of
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by jonfw on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:11AM (#31491578)
I have a tineco cordless vacuum which I think is incredibly well built, I bought it because it topped the Consumer Reports leaderboard at the time I was looking for one
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by sithadmin on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:35AM (#31492679)
Roborock cordless vacuums are fantastic. Have an H7 and have nothing but praise for effectiveness and versatility.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by deepsun on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @05:00AM (#31489662)
I own both Dyson and Samsung, and I'd say they're pretty equal, but Samsung is much quieter.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by tjpnz on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @08:16AM (#31491014)
I tend to use paper towels too. Electric hand-dryers promote the build-up of bacteria given how microbial life prefers warm places and how often people will walk away before their hands are properly dry.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by Gordonjcp on Wednesday May 25, 2022 @07:34PM (#31512267)
I'm not exactly sure how they could blow stagnant water in your face, unless you have some extreme sanitation problems.
Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by oxplot on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @09:57AM (#31492177)
> I hate Dyson shit so much

I've been using Dyson products since 2005. Happy to shine some light on why people pay for it voluntarily :)

Re:Unofficial firmware upgrade for Dyson V6/V7 vacuum batter... by _joel on Tuesday May 24, 2022 @10:12AM (#31492365)
Agreed, they're absolute garbage compared to similar offerings now.