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Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by usrn on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:41AM (#31097651)
>This can't be good for his mental health

There are way worse things for your mental health than habitual physical activity. I'd bet half the people here would benefit from a good tunnel project.

But it's probably like any addiction. He's addicted to the progress he's making and doesn't feel the same about anything else in his life. He needs a reason to stop digging the tunnel.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by lucumo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:38AM (#31098505)
> There are way worse things for your mental health than habitual physical activity. I'd bet half the people here would benefit from a good tunnel project.

In the update[1] he says it's calming and makes him feel safe. He's happier after doing it.

It doesn't sound so bad. I mean, it's gotta be healthier than so called idle games, and about as useful. Or similar to lifting weights or jogging or something. It makes him feel good, that's all the justification any non-harmful activity should need.

[1] Mods removed it on Reddit. Archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/20220417170609/https://old.reddit...

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Adraghast on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:53AM (#31098774)
> In the update[1] he says it's calming and makes him feel safe. He's happier after doing it.

That makes it more concerning, not less. A quirky hobby stops being quirky when it starts filling a psychological need. Fast forward three months and dude might not want to ever leave his tunnel. Why would he? He feels calm and safe there.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by recursive on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:00PM (#31098892)
If it's concerning to you to fill a need with a hobby, then you're probably going to be concerned about most people. What would you say are healthy reasons to engage in a hobby, if there are any?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Adraghast on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @01:44PM (#31100413)
I’d say any of the top three levels of Maslow’s hierarchy. A hobby that helps you achieve feelings of self-actualization, esteem, and belonging is great.

Things get hairy at that second level. If you feel psychologically unsafe in your day-to-day life, there’s something wrong - either with your environment or the way you perceive it - that a tunnel can’t fix.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by chmod775 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:02PM (#31098916)
I feel calm and safe reading books. Would you recommend me to stop?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by rhizome on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:19PM (#31099231)
Though I'd call it "desire," what hobby doesn't fill a psychological need?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:34AM (#31098440)
Tunneling isn't the problem. This isn't a tunneling story. It would be similar if the tunnel were a ski mountain, an office or a drug den.

This is a story of escalating isolation. He's isolating from society, from people who care about him and whom, we presume, he cares about. (Or maybe not. Maybe he gets along fine at work and at church, and is simply uninterested in his SO.)

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by sn0wtrooper on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:41AM (#31098574)
Another brick in the wall? Or another meter deep into the tunnel?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by jessriedel on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:03PM (#31098947)
I'd say this is about his girlfriend not liking that he's isolating from society. (Which, of course, is a perfectly valid preference of hers.) There's lots wrong with society; the choice to mostly disconnect from it is a reasonable one for many people.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by cm2012 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:19AM (#31098194)
He shouldn't stop digging his tunnel but it sounds like he should spend less time on it if he wants to keep a healthy relationship with his girlfriend. That would be true no matter what his hobby was.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by lazide on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:25AM (#31098292)
Sometimes these kinds of hobbies/pastimes pop up because of unresolved relationship issues or personal issues brought up by the relationship.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he does the tunnel so he doesn’t spend so much time with her, but can’t say it or manage whatever is going on with him.

Random armchair psychologist from afar of course.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by jacquesm on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:31AM (#31098400)
That may be cause and effect switched. People can do pretty weird things.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by etiam on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:38AM (#31098512)
Considering her attitude towards it, maybe it's a secondary gain to be putting some natural limitations on time spent with girlfriend.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by diputsmonro on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:56AM (#31098818)
Why are you jumping to judge her? Is totally reasonable for someone in a relationship to want to spend time with their partner, and be upset if they literally never get to. What's even the point of a relationship if there's no companionship?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by swah on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @01:25PM (#31100179)
Did she ever offer to help with the digging?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by ineedasername on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:10AM (#31098047)
>He needs a reason to stop digging the tunnel.

Agreed, but once he unleashes the Balrog it will be a bit too late. Then the area will be a Superfund site for generations until some grey guy shows up with a stick & an attitude.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by CaptainJustin on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:11AM (#31098076)
I wouldn't worry. The Balrog shall not pass.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by manholio on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @01:42PM (#31100387)
The Balrog are decent people.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by tantalor on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:52AM (#31097802)
I accept your offer to join your tunnel digging club. When/where are the meetings? Do I need to bring my own shovel?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Dave_TRS on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:02AM (#31097951)
At summer camp we had joke activities like "sand a log to nothing" and "dig a hole to China". Kids would sign up for these activities and actually sand down the log and dig the pointless hole for hours. Just as popular as playing soccer, swimming, etc. I agree this tunnel boyfriend may be on to something
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Siecje on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:07PM (#31098992)
What did you sand with? How many files did you go through?

Did you have an activity to turn a log into a paddle?

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Dave_TRS on Wednesday April 27, 2022 @08:42AM (#31179148)
Just regular sandpaper. I like the paddle idea, that'd have been a more interesting goal and given something to show for the effort.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by missedthecue on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @04:49PM (#31102817)
Sounds like boot camp.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by Toreno96 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:03AM (#31097971)
That reminds me this one book I've read in my teenage years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnels_(novel)

Two main characters were meeting after-school to dig a tunnel, although their motivation was a little bit deeper (sorry, I couldn't help myself) than just digging itself.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by boringg on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:54AM (#31097829)
Can I use SSH?
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by throwaway413 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:14AM (#31098106)
Sure, but you have to go physically put your shovel in the hole first and then come back.

…just be careful. There’s a man in the middle of the tunnel who will try to take your stuff.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by arez on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:53AM (#31097823)
I'm in too, doesn't even matter if we live in different cities, we can just dig a tunnel and meet in the middle
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by gilleain on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @10:57AM (#31097889)
Ok, but be sure to use similar tech to that used in the Channel Tunnel:

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-channel-tunnel-1779429

so that the two tunnels meet in the middle ...

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by jacquesm on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:33AM (#31098424)
Looking forward to the transatlantic version.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by freeopinion on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:17PM (#31099209)
Find a club near you at https://www.justserve.org
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by andix on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:02AM (#31097954)
Maybe he’s digging the tunnel, because he already has mental health issues. For example a voice inside his head, that tells him to keep digging.

If he’s healthy, I also agree that this hobby is probably not bad for mental health.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by sam0x17 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:07AM (#31098023)
Maybe that's why we contribute to open source! It must be the voice in our head!

Or it's a hobby...

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by sangnoir on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:29PM (#31099393)
The line can blur; I would like to (re)intoduce you to the wonderful TempleOS[1][2]

edit: I had no idea Terry Davies passed away in 2018; he'd occasionally drop in on HN comment threads about his OS.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS

2. https://templeos.org/

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by crate_barre on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:08AM (#31098031)
Dude, you have to understand you work 8 hours a day. It’s just as absurd.

Dig the fucking tunnel.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by ineedasername on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:14AM (#31098112)
There's a direct payoff for working 8 hours a day. We really don't know enough about this person's motivations to judge the health of his actions one way or another, but speculating a mental health angle isn't unreasonable. And yes, I'd say the same thing if someone cutoff all social contact and most time with their partner over a more mainstream hobby as well. MH issues aren't a given, but they're certainly on the table unless we learn more about this.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by crate_barre on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:20AM (#31098204)
The “direct” payoff is an abstraction. Follow the code. It’s so you get money to pay for food, shelter and piece of mind, possibly status. Somewhere further up Mazlow’s hierarchy is enjoyment.

Regardless, I consider anyone operating in humanity to be mentally ill in general. It’s just, how much of your mental illness impacts the rest of us, and how much of it is abstracted away so we can quickly label it harmless (mostly to the rest of us).

Digging a tunnel the closest shit to “ain’t bothering me” as it’s going to get.

Now, if your nonsense pushes you to monopolize industries and abuse labor for profit, yeah, now your mental illness is on blast.

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Few would consider that the GF is mentally ill, so obsessed with how it would look to others, so obsessed with how it’s non conforming.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by ineedasername on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @02:08PM (#31100770)
"Ain't bothering me" as an attitude applies if you don't have an attachment to the person. In this case, the partner is actually bothered by it. They don't have a right to force a halt but concerns about major behavioral changes are reasonable for a loved one to have in this situation. "Ain't bothering me" also only applies if you disregard the potential damage to local underground infrastructure, other people's property, hitting a gas line and cause a major issue, etc.

If they're in a rural area where those aren't potential issues and the boyfriend doesn't want to change, then the partner simply has to decide if they can live with the new situation. I think we'd agree on that.

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I'm confused on your comments about reading into the partner's mental health. I see no indication in their post saying they're concerned about how it looks to others. As for non-conforming, they seem to be somewhat accepting, stating that they haven't made it a big issue before because the boyfriend seems relatively happy. They specifically say, "My biggest concern is his safety". That seems reasonable. Major behavioral changes on the other hand would be a bigger warning sign. (while acknowledging that a red flag doesn't mean there's an actual issue)

EDIT: From an update [1] here's why the boyfriend says he does it: "It’s just pleasant. When I’m down there, I feel safe and calm, and I’m always happier when I leave than when I went in"

I suppose there are worse coping mechanisms than that.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/u6a3...

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by raldi on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:10AM (#31098048)
Tunneling is the new Fight Club
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by brodouevencode on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:49AM (#31098692)
You should read Choke, also by Palahniuk. In it the side-kick, Denny, compulsively built a castle as a deterrent to his sex addiction.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by lazlee on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:45AM (#31098636)
Dude, the first rule of tunnel club ...
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by ajross on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:23AM (#31098253)
> There are way worse things for your mental health than habitual physical activity. I'd bet half the people here would benefit from a good tunnel project.

True enough[1], but "aggravating a clear conflict with ones partner" clearly qualifies. Obviously we have only one side of the story here, but it's not so much "digging the tunnel" that is at issue here. It's "digging the tunnel and failing to sufficiently explain the hobby to your increasingly concerned girlfriend" that carries this into the realm of nutjobbery. It's one thing to be "I know it's weird, but <my obscure hobby> makes me happy and I promise it won't impact our relationship" and quite another to front with "I'm digging the tunnel. Leave me alone."

The implicit questions being asked by the poster here are ones our amateur miner should have answered long ago, basically.

[1] And for the record: I have a hard time believing that an amateur tunnel through sediment in an otherwise typical geological area is all that dangerous, the guy isn't chasing veins through bedrock or tapping sinkholes here.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by lazide on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:28AM (#31098339)
It’s likely more dangerous thank bedrock tunneling frankly. Loosely consolidated sedimentary soil can easily shift and slide with relatively little outside input. A truck driving by, a rain, sprinklers, even someone walking over it.

And it only takes a small amount of dirt covering someone to crush them or suffocate them to death. Literally less than a foot depending on distribution.

Construction crews have to shore up anything higher than waist high for this reason.

Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by fifticon on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:42AM (#31098594)
A guy on our street died digging out for sewer, only ~2m deep - a side he had stacked dirt on caved in/slided and covered him. He left a wife and 2 kids. No tunnel, just unsafely stacked dirt mound.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by rotexo on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @12:10PM (#31099056)
Thank you. My partner is an architect, and while they aren’t a structural engineer, they had enough structures training in grad school to know that hobby tunnel digging is extremely dangerous. There are clearly alternative physical activities that would have all the same benefits with none of the downsides.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by jacquesm on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:34AM (#31098442)
You never really know which is the rock that keeps the rest of them up.
Re:How can I get my boyfriend to stop digging his tunnel? by ransom1538 on Wednesday April 20, 2022 @11:20AM (#31098207)
Maybe he should pickup vaping like everyone else.