It's also true that Amazon is consistently the worst employer in all areas including their AWS staff, where they are worried about (and I quote) "Burning through all competent human capital"[0] in certain parts of the world.
With those two factors (Lidl being above the baseline, amazon being below): your comment seems like FUD.
[0]: https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-wo...
And your comment reads as though 'AWS is worse' is a defense of Lidl. It should be possible to do right by your employees, not to see who can get away with the most harm without being outright liable.
'Little' things like asking your female employees that are on their period to wear colored headbands to be allowed toilet privileges or employees committing suicide due to work pressure does not fall in 'not perfect', that's outright hostile.
See provided reference.
The "problem" here is that it's being positioned as a dichotomy between the status quo (Amazon) and an entrant (Lidl) and your claims that Lidl are "bad and I won't use them" implies that you would use Amazon. Since that's what is in the topic.
Not saying they're perfect, as mentioned, all I know is that they're a big employer and externally: they pay better than the competition and have a much higher employee satisfaction rating (where I can see it) than for instance ASDA, Walmart or Swedish chains like Coop and Netto.
Lidl is generally cheap store (there are exceptions when they provide above above-average quality for little price), but where I come from, people are generally happy to work there and they sure pay above average within business.
Lidl is generally cheap store (but there are exceptions when they provide above above-average q, but where I come from, people are generally happy to work there and they sure pay above average within business.
Do you really think Lidl will be able to mistreat the IT stuff, given the current market shortage in Germany?
[Edit] After some googling, yes there was one in France for Lidl, and three for Renault, and three for France Télécom (and more). Is it that other countries do not relate suicides to work (but they exist) or is there something special about France?
(never worked for Lidl, or in France and only shop at Lidl if needed, I don't like their products very much)
https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/societe/lidl-vise-par-une-qu... (in French)
"Blackmail, pressure, favouritism, bullying, sequestration in an office, incitement to suicide and intimidation: the accusations made are edifying, the testimonies surprising. The management of another time."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/technology/amazon-unions-...
Who needs collective bargaining power if the pay is so great.
Witness the number of people that 'didn't get it' and realize that I am not at all surprised that some people would write something like that and mean it, superfluous punctuation or not.
Those traditional companies will never be able to compete with absurd FAANG salaries (that are obscene in my opinion anyway, but that is not the topic) due to the nature of the business. If this thing scales, however, then salaries could be higher.
Finally, I am living in Germany, I have worked for German companies. Many of us dont like the US, we dont like those American services, too. If there was a German alternative, even with a premium, we would pay that. It has to be competetive in functionality, but not necassarily in price.
I'm on a personal vendetta against any company that abuses its employees. Lidl, Amazon, and others besides, consider me an 'equal opportunity employer' when it comes to abusive employers.
Also, your comment is well outside the HN guidelines.
A close friend of mine works for the local Lidl division, she is part of the team that does internal communication and as such she has been directly involved in "marketing" compensation-related stuff and related perks to the company's employees and such. To me it does seem that Lidl, the company, tries to treat its employees as humanly as possible, which is saying something when it comes to the retail market.
I don't know about the personnel abuse, but here in the UK Lidl employees are one of the better paid employees as far as groceries stores go.
EDIT: maybe I was thinking of Aldi, who, after a quick search, seems to pay significantly more than Lidl.
Source: friend who was a market researcher for Tesco
Not sure what branch you are refering to, but that's definitely not the case with their IT department. Their pay and benefits are well above market rate.
That being said, both are irrelevant, since it won't be the first company that treats retails workers like shit, while handling the IT workers like spoiled rock stars.
So does Amazon?
They've had a whole series of scandals, it is one of the worst employers in Europe and some of the stuff they do is just incredible. Some of them are more pressworthy than others but Lidl never really stopped.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidl#Working_conditions_and_la...
Of course misconduct of management would happen 'in one particular warehouse or shop', where else would it happen? Lidl consists of corporate, warehouses and shops. Most opportunities for abuse will be present in the latter two.
As for the spying scandal: the same board that condoned that still runs the company today, they conveniently scape-goated one individual and threw him under the bus but just like other scandals involving multi-nationals the real perps typically stay out of the firing line.
Lidl paid a 1.5 million euro fine, which is a pittance and their exec a nice golden parachute, who by the way now has a nice little thing going as a high flying consultant:
Their store staff yes indeed, but they won't be able to get away with that for IT staff. The situation is similar to Amazon... those who are essentially disposable cogs get treated as such as far as the law allows (and in some cases even worse), the ones who can't be replaced get paid really well.
Amazon has the same...
That said, being part of the same 'group' there might be enough insulation to avoid this link damaging the company, but since the Lidl connection is proudly mentioned on each page in the footer. I think that they either don't realize that it might be a risk to declare that so openly or they don't care in the same way that scammers don't care about you figuring out they are scammers, if you are offended by that then they probably don't want to hire you because you just might be aware of your market value.
For some more information about Lidl employer-employee relationships:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidl#Working_conditions_and_la...