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Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by sanedigital on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:18PM (#30067487)
My favorite part of all this is that Giamatti’s character actually loves Merlot, it’s just that he’s adverse to drinking it because it reminds him of his ex-Wife. The Chateau Petrus that the two had saved (that he ultimately drinks out of a fast food cup at the end) is a 100% Merlot wine. Your average movie-goer and wine-drinker doesn’t know that context, and so all they remember is “I am not drinking any f*cking Merlot!”

[Edit: others were kind enough to remind me that the saved wine is actually Cheval Blanc, a 55-40-5 Cab Franc, Merlot, and Cab Sauv blend. It’s been awhile since I’ve thought out talked about this movie.]

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by shiftpgdn on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:55PM (#30067777)
This article is a weird bit of serendipity for me as I rewatched this movie over last weekend; having only originally seen Sideways in college nearly 20 years ago. College me didn’t like wine and didn’t even really understand at the time why this movie had such rave reviews.

Now that I’m the age of the characters in the movie I realize that the wine is literally the least important factor in the movie (and also that it’s implied Paul Giamatti’s character kills himself at the end.) It’s funny that such a small subplot in a feature film can have a dramatic effect on a major industry like wine making.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by goto11 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @06:38AM (#30070711)
> it’s implied Paul Giamatti’s character kills himself at the end.

It is a typically silly fan theory, because if that was the case, there would be no development journey for the character, making the whole story pointless.

Fan theories are often like that: "it's actually all in their head", "its all just a dream". Edgy on the surface, but really negates all the drama and and development of the story.

> the wine is literally the least important factor in the movie

Of course the movie is not "about" wine in the sense of a documentary about wine, but wine is certainly a significant part of the story and the main characters journey.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by SuoDuanDao on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @08:27AM (#30071510)
>Edgy on the surface, but really negates all the drama and and development of the story.

I've noticed that. I suspect it comes from a lack of tragedies in our entertainment, that we try to invent tragic meanings to stories intended as comedies.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by Loughla on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:06AM (#30072562)
To get a little darker - I think it runs deeper than that. Yes, comedy and mindless entertainment are popular, but. . .

I think the "it was all a dream" or "it's all in their head" sort of fan theories come from a place of denial. If the story is real (even in a plainly fictional movie setting), and a character shows development, learning, growth, and change over the course of whatever happens - that could have repercussions in my life. It is easy to get into a rut of behavior and to steadfastly avoid thinking about all of the things you can and should change in your life. If entertainment shows me people who actually do change based on a need to change something about themselves to become better people, then I am forced to think about that and consider what that means for my life. That could mean that I actually do need to be more considerate, healthier, or whatever it is. Whereas, if the entire story is fake, or a dream, or whatever, then how I act now is the inevitable conclusion of my life, and there is no changing.

It's easier to just hand-wave away any lessons about human behavior and say that it's imaginary.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by fineIllregister on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:11PM (#30074473)
To get a lot lighter:

"It was all a dream," or, "It's all in their head," are easy fan theories to attach to works of fiction because that's what actually happened. The creator of the fiction imagined it in their brain. You can trivially apply it to any fiction without any creativity.

More complicated fan theories rely on the content itself, and thus are going to change from work to work. So people hear "It's all in their head," more.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by SuoDuanDao on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:08PM (#30074424)
Interesting, maybe there are two factors at play - In coming to my conclusion I was thinking about a common fan theory that Harry Potter would voluntarily die at the end of the series, which would certainly be a departure from how he was introduced as the 'boy who lived'. But your analysis makes a fair bit of sense in the context of plenty of other fan theories I've come across...
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by goto11 on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @11:36AM (#30087682)
In the classical definition, a tragedy is a story about a person of high standing or good fortune who loses everything and typically dies in the end.

In Sideways, Giamattis character starts out in a really bad place, but through the events of the story ends up in a (slightly) more hopeful place. Having him kill himself in the end instead would not turn the story into a genuine tragedy, since nothing would really be lost. That would just be a pointless story going nowhere.

Hayden Church' character on the other hand do have something to lose, so his story could have been made a tragedy.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by SuoDuanDao on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:17PM (#30088352)
I forget where I saw the description but I quite enjoy it, an author was breaking down stories into four general groups: In Melodrama, the hero wins. In Tragedy, the dragon wins. In Comedy, the hero and dragon overcome the root of their conflict, and in Farce they dance around each other without resolving anything.

I wasn't familiar with Sideways, but from your description it sounds like I'd call that a comedy being reinterpreted as a farce. Which can be a great story form as well, but maybe it's reached for too often in fan theories because it's the easiest thing to imagine after melodrama.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by RichardCA on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:26AM (#30068816)
Wine is important because Miles is using his love of wine as a cover for his alcoholism. For the first half of the movie Miles is a basket case while Jack seems to have everything together, but as the plot progresses we see Miles gradually starting to come out of his neuroticism and then the light shines hard on Jack's sex addiction. The movie is about the contrasts and dynamics that evolve from their respective journeys.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by j4yav on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @06:54AM (#30070803)
I am surprised that a lot of people seem to have watched this movie and identified the two main characters as role models they want to emulate, that wasn’t my takeaway at all. My reading was similar to yours.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by moron4hire on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:01AM (#30072486)
That's a problem with a lot of people regarding a lot of movies, I've found: people think the Main Character is always the Good Guy and whatever they do is a positive model for life. See: The Wolf of Wall Street.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by j4yav on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:19PM (#30076628)
High Fidelity as well.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by shiftpgdn on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:14PM (#30074521)
They don't evolve at all though. Jack cheats on his wife to be with basically no repercussions and Miles never gets over his ex. It even becomes such an issue with his life he drinks his "crown jewel" wine out of a styrofoam cup because he sees no future.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by the_af on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:58PM (#30075312)
The comment you're replying to stated the dynamics evolve, and that is true.

In my own reading of the movie, while Jack learns nothing and even earns a reprieve, Miles does evolve -- though painfully and at the very end of the movie. He finally lets go of his ex wife, realizing she's definitely out of reach and committed to a new family now that she's pregnant. He also lets go of his book dream, and also the drinking of his prized bottle signals -- albeit in a humorously depressing manner -- his finally letting go of everything that got him stuck.

In my mind his walking up Maya's stairs is a symbol of a hopeful new beginning. Because this is a dark comedy/drama, it's not immediately obvious everything will work out well, but at least there's hope.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by lost_soul on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:14PM (#30067916)
Paul Giamatti goes into Virginia Madsen's apartment at the end of the movie and we don't know what happens next. How is it implied that he kills himself?
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by shiftpgdn on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:18PM (#30067949)
There are numerous hints dropped throughout the movie that he needs to die to fulfill his role in life, and the directing and storytelling is tight enough that it’s all intentional. Specifically the Confederacy of Dunces references, the phone call asking if the main character in Mile’s novel kills himself, and the “ascension” in the final scene where he is walking up a very sunlit staircase surrounded by flowers.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by carabiner on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:58PM (#30068240)
You seem to be paraphrasing what's listed here: https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/7wb8nj/at_the_...

Yeah, there are references to death and suicide in the movie, like there is in most fiction about depression. But there's nothing explicit about Miles's fate, and the film ends on an upbeat note ("Because you were wearing your seatbelt!" Jack says to Miles). I've watched the movie 20x and the stuff you list is very liberal interpretation of some scant events.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by tptacek on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:42PM (#30068107)
Doesn't square up with the novel, either --- and Sideways was shot very soon after the novel was published.

There's even a sequel to the novel with the same characters.

I'm calling "shenanigans" on this whole "Miles kills himself" meme.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by renewiltord on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:48AM (#30068591)
Sure, but only in the way that Jar Jar Binks is a Sith Lord
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by bee_rider on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:38AM (#30068873)
A massive improvement that would redeem one of the dumbest characters in the series, to the point where you just have to believe it is true?
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by thaumasiotes on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:13AM (#30069854)
I think most of the appeal of the theory is that you can call him Darth Darth Binks.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by the_af on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @08:23AM (#30071477)
> I realize that the wine is literally the least important factor in the movie

Agreed!

> It’s implied Paul Giamatti’s character kills himself at the end

Uh, the film ends in a hopeful note. Virigina Madsen's character states she enjoyed the book, and he goes to seek her out and is about to knock on her door when the screen fades to black. To me, it is implied she opens the door and at least they become friends again, if not a couple.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by misiti3780 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:02PM (#30074351)
I know, I have no clue what that comment is about. If he killed himself I certainly missed that.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by tptacek on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:12PM (#30067904)
The case for Miles killing himself at the end of Sideways seems really weak.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by pseingatl on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:13AM (#30068743)
There are two sequels. He didn't kill himself.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jb1991 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:57AM (#30068967)
What sequels?!
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by pseingatl on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @06:08AM (#30070520)
Two novels followed the original. They're both available on Amazon. Both have wine themes as well.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by Apocryphon on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:27AM (#30069163)
The article features an image from one of them.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by dagurp on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:34AM (#30069200)
Spider Man 2?
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by throwaway984393 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:08AM (#30072589)
Miles really took an edgy turn with that barbed wire face tattoo
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jb1991 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:35AM (#30069207)
No it doesn’t.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by brigandish on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:49AM (#30068924)
> it’s implied Paul Giamatti’s character kills himself at the end

I had to check for myself and it really doesn't look that way to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86sA9H1M76k

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by RockofStrength on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @09:30PM (#30080938)
Robert Wilson theorizes that each character in Sideways symbolizes a type of wine. Miles = Pinot noir (thin-skinned, great potential). Jack = Cabernet Sauvignon (adaptable, survivor). Maya = 1961 Cheval Blanc (Miles' prized bottle, actress born 1961). Stephanie = Cabernet Franc (hollow, flabby, overripe, shallow). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0mO0UhBim4&ab_channel=Rober...
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by everybodyknows on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @09:14AM (#30071980)
The screenplay suggests that Mia's judgement of him may be a matter of life and death -- but that she accepts him and so he lives:

https://secureservercdn.net/198.71.233.72/p2z.144.myftpuploa...

https://www.scriptreaderpro.com/best-screenplays-to-read/

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by shiftpgdn on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @12:11AM (#30082009)
I greatly enjoyed reading the screenplay. Thanks for linking it.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by supernova87a on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:54AM (#30068632)
Miles doesn't kill himself. Well, perhaps at most he does something like that metaphorically -- in that he says goodbye to his old life in the act of drinking that prized bottle alone in the diner.

I wrote this a couple years back on Quora when someone asked "why is Miles celebrating alone in the diner?" Maybe we've all felt something like this at one point.

>> Imagine you’ve been living the last few years with some crazy hope or dream that all the things happening to you are just a fiction and that things are going to turn around. The bottle of wine is a delusional symbol of a life that you’re going to get back — good career, a wife who loves you and wants to have a kid with you. To be opened on the day it all comes true.

Look at Miles’s eyes as his ex-wife tells him she’s expecting a kid with another man. All the hope and fictitious dreaming comes crashing down — that life was a complete delusion, like when you look yourself in a mirror and see, really see, what your life has become and that all the things you’ve been saving that bottle of wine for, just don’t exist.

Not much left to save that bottle for. No one to drink it with and toast over a fancy dinner. Just take it to the grimy local burger joint, drink in sadness to the life events that passed you by, and savor the sublime, once-in-a-lifetime taste of dreams that are dashed on the roadside.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by auggierose on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:23AM (#30069145)
I watched this movie a long time ago. But I am 100% sure: No such thing is implied.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by baby on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:13AM (#30068357)
There’s def. no such implying at the end
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by psyc on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:31AM (#30069180)
> and also that it’s implied Paul Giamatti’s character kills himself at the end

No it isn't.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by pstuart on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:10PM (#30067891)
Ow. Spoiler alert.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by itisit on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:54PM (#30068193)
Don’t worry, it’s not a spoiler. More like irrelevant internet fan theory. I’d enjoy the film free of this taint.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by Godel_unicode on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:46AM (#30068575)
Sideways came out in '04. If you had it ruined for you in 2022, that's on you.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by mprovost on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:49AM (#30068921)
My new metric for whether it’s too soon to discuss something: can you uproot a vineyard, plant new vines, wait 5 years for them to grow and then harvest.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by rgrieselhuber on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:42PM (#30067675)
It shows the anxiety people have about wanting to look smart about wine. Just drink what you like. I've always liked Merlot.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jandrewrogers on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:19AM (#30068402)
What many people miss is that it is not about the grape varietal, but the intersection of varietal and geography. Every famous wine region will produce poor wine from varietals not suited to that region, and varietals are sensitive to the local environment. This is where I think the Europeans get it right. They don't focus on the varietal, they produce a blend from varietals that make sense in the region they are grown, producing a wine with somewhat unique characteristics (modulo production skill).

Merlot can be the basis for excellent wine (see: Petrus). However, I think California generally produces mediocre merlot. California's strengths are Cabernet (Sauvignon and Franc) and Zinfandel. For Pinot Noir, there are a couple spots like the Russian River Valley that do a good job, but Oregon has a stronger claim.

In the US, you kind of need to know what varietals grow well in what regions. In Europe, they typically produce varietal blends that are optimized for the region where they are produced, but which have very different characteristics depending on the region. I prefer the European model of branding on the region rather than the varietal, because the wine experience is more consistent and predictable. You know it will usually be an appropriate varietal for the region in which it is produced. That is not always the case in the US; we seem to grow any varietal anywhere if we think we can sell it.

That said, if you want to look smart about wine without spending a ton of money, the best choice is something from a region relatively few people have heard of, and therefore inexpensive, that nonetheless produces brilliant wine. Sommeliers often appreciate people that can identify those hidden gems on the list because people trying to be flashy don't even recognize them. Of course, you learn this by drinking wine from literally everywhere, and especially places you've never heard of, until you form an opinion. Availability varies widely with geography but in 2021, with the globalization of wine, there is little reason to spend much more than $10-20 bottle (retail, not restaurant) for almost any style if you know your regions and quality is the sole objective (local availability notwithstanding).

But then, I'm just a random wine drinker on the Internet. :-)

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jhatax on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:16AM (#30069474)
You’re painting with a very broad brush regarding California wine. Some simple numbers:

- Napa & Sonoma counties collectively have 650+ wineries.

- Paso Robles and the extended SLO county (plus Santa Barbara) region have 500+ wineries.

Saying that just the Cabernet Sauvignon and Cabernet Franc are standouts, the latter of which is rarely at 80+% because it is harder to tame in a bottle, by approximately 1150 wineries that produce all manner of Bourdeaux and Rhone varietals is quite reductive.

Oregon Pinots are good if that’s what you like: earthly, terroir-driven taste. California wines are fruitier, part of this is the fruit and the other is the limited use of whole cluster fermentation.

Washington is emerging as a fantastic wine producing state as well.

So, on balance, there is something for every palate produced by California wineries. Maybe even Washington producers. Oregon wineries are getting into Syrah and the darker reds as well.

I agree with your $10-20 range for a decent bottle of wine (retail). What I’d add to your statement is that you shouldn’t need to buy a bottle not produced in the USA if you live here. The locally made wine compares to international options, especially in the targeted price range ($10-20).

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by base698 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @08:48AM (#30071715)
In my experience northern California is fruitier. Paso is jammier, though I've not had that many. Santa Barbara area is starting to do some cabs just to north (Happy Canyon) in the hot area. They have less fruity wine the colder you get to the west.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by MrGando on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:35AM (#30069209)
Love the comment! I honestly think California's most interesting wines being produced now are Syrah's. Crazy good stuff there made by the newer generations.

Agreed on Cabernet Sauvignon. Regarding Pinot Noir, there's just nothing in the US that compares to a good Burgundy, some things I think are interesting are Domaine De La Cote in California and Kelley Fox in Oregon though :)

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jhatax on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:19AM (#30069492)
Try wines from Paso when you can. They are available at the sub-25 price point at most places that sell wine (warehouse, grocery, et al), and you might appreciate the GSM and Syrahs from Paso. Same story in Washington; the strong heat in the growing areas leads to great tannic structure and complexity.

Cheers!

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by misiti3780 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:04PM (#30074372)
I agree, try Pax Syrah if you get a chance, it is the best one I have tasted:

https://www.paxwine.com/

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by MrGando on Sunday February 06, 2022 @03:54PM (#30236908)
I like Pax, if you can try the Syrah's from Jolie Laide... the Halcon Vineyard one is among the best Syrah I've tried in the US :)
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by ricardobayes on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:50AM (#30070087)
Random funfact: if you are drinking Californian wine, chances you are drinking Hungarian wine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agoston_Haraszthy
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by dfxm12 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @09:12AM (#30071952)
That said, if you want to look smart about wine without spending a ton of money, the best choice is something from a region relatively few people have heard of, and therefore inexpensive, that nonetheless produces brilliant wine.

How is this possible in the Internet age? I mean, I've always liked Dolcetto d'Alba (I know, Piemonte is a well known region, but not for this wine), but in the 10s, there were a few popular articles talking about how it's such a great pizza & pasta wine, and all of a sudden, bottles were more expensive...

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jandrewrogers on Wednesday January 26, 2022 @01:34AM (#30082480)
Wine region popularity is substantially driven by marketing and fashion. The number of regions in the world that produce excellent wines are legion; most people have only heard or experienced the most famous and well-marketed. It is difficult to overstate just how expansive the wine producing world is, and most don't export much because there is no market for wines from non-trendy locales.

I have experienced wines I discovered when they were inexpensive become trendy and therefore expensive. I've always just moved on; you'll never run out of obscure wine-producing regions that produce excellent inexpensive wine. The largest practical limit is distribution, but wine has become much more global.

You will find a lot of good wine in countries you might not expect e.g. white wine in Mexico. Many countries that produce superior wine almost never export, such as Switzerland. There are excellent small appellations even in France with brilliant wine that everyone ignores because few people have ever heard of them, so it costs very little if you can find it. Smaller countries in Europe are always at a disadvantage regardless of their wine quality e.g. Portuguese and Spanish wine are very similar in quality and style but Spanish wine commands the higher price.

There isn't nearly as much information about wine on the Internet as you may hope. Absent a substantial marketing effort, it largely isn't discoverable virtually. Even in cases where countries like Uruguay attempt to market their wines, it has minimal visibility to the wine drinking world.

It is an inefficient market with incentives that don't necessarily ensure the best wines for the money are easy to find.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jnsaff2 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @09:50AM (#30072345)
So funny story, a week ago my fiancee had a work trip to Serbia. There she discovered that the country produces sublime wine. Brought back a suitcase full of it and every one of them has been amazing.

Neither of us had heard anything about Serbian wines or that they had any wine production nor that it's really good.

So I'd say there are ton of interesting regions to be discovered.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by wil421 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @10:44AM (#30073065)
At a past job I went to Serbia several times and the wine was fantastic. I took a pic of a few of the bottles but could never find them responsibly priced in the US.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by rhino369 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @11:52AM (#30074164)
There are still biases against new world wines. But its really about finding a something you really like from a less known region. Everyone has preferences, so find one that matches yours.

That said its often hard to find those. I like red wines from the regions near Capetown, SA. You can get some of it in big wine stores, but its hard.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by base698 on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @08:46AM (#30071697)
> For Pinot Noir, there are a couple spots like the Russian River Valley that do a good job, but Oregon has a stronger claim.

What about the Pinots from "Sideways" in Santa Ynez area? Paul Lato, Sea Smoke (maybe played out) to name a couple.

Funny enough I'd been to Lompoc a half a dozen times before I realized it was the region from the movie.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by bmm6o on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:56PM (#30075269)
I've been told that wine making in Temecula (inland SoCal) didn't really take off at first because they were growing varietals typical to France, and the results weren't too good. They eventually switched to varietals more typical of Italy (which better matches the local conditions) and found more success.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by aishvar on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @12:50AM (#30068605)
Is there a list of what's generally considered the best region for each grape?
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by zwaps on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @02:32AM (#30069187)
Not really, there's some basic information in what is popular - say Sauvignon Blanc in NZ or Zweigelt in Austria, but that doesn't mean these need to be the best regions in terms of taste. Generally, some grapes do better with sun and warmth, while others (like Pinot Noir or Riesling) do better in moderate climate.

Beyond that, I am not sure if one can trust a simple list. I think this is because region can be very narrowly defined - sometimes "side of this hill, vs. that side". Then, each year also produces different quality.

I think there are certain prototypes per region that you could learn about. But even that is a challenge. So for France, for example, the regions you want to learn don't stack hierarchically in a nice fashion (like you start with 4 broad regions and break them down). But it can be done. In realiy, however, different wines are made in each region (see "region" above) so you are not guaranteed to get something like the prototype, nor can you guarantee that the wines of a given year will be like the prototype at all. Another good example is Italy, which has fewer prototypical examples one might be able to learn. But then, Italy also has a great number of wine makers that do something very different, sometimes something better, so again it doesn't help you find a good wine.

Best bet is to pick a region and really get into it. Like, learning stuff about Bordeaux can keep you busy, but at least you'll have a solid idea. The wrong approach would be to do stuff like say: "oh Bordeaux has Merlot, while Germany has Pinot" which is sort of true in ratios of averages, but individually, and also generally, incredibly wrong.

I personally believe that identifying a good wine in all cases basically requires you to know about the wine maker and the year. I.e. - it's a full time job.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by jhatax on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @03:20AM (#30069503)
Simplest answer: the best region for a grape is the region from where you like wine made from that grape. :)
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by ashtonkem on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:25PM (#30067986)
Funny, I've always been a pinot noir guy. I never watched the film, but I would've turned 21 roughly five years after this movie came out, and now I can't help but wonder whether my preference for Pinot was influenced by this movie and how it affected the quality and quantity of wines that were available to me as I started drinking it. Would I have preferred Merlot if this movie had never come out or if I was older, and I'd been around when quantities of Merlot were roughly equal to pinot? An interesting counterfactual.

My parents prefer cabernet sauvignon, by the by.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by sanderjd on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @01:09AM (#30068717)
Yeah it's better to be an enthusiast than a connoisseur. I like pretty much all wine that isn't just bargain swill. They're all great in different ways.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by readams on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:55PM (#30067774)
He had a 1961 Cheval Blanc, which is not 100% but is a primarily Merlot blend.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by MrGando on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:32PM (#30068038)
The defining feature of Cheval Blanc is the huge amount of Cabernet Franc that goes into the blend, not the Merlot in general... some vintages like the 2011 one have less Merlot than Cabernet Franc. Yes, it's a right bank Bordeaux, but it's by far the most atypical. Petrus for instance is one that I would call primarily a Merlot Right Bank Bordeaux.

source: https://www.chateau-cheval-blanc.com/en/vintages/chateau-che... (you can check other vintages there etc)

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by sanedigital on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:59PM (#30067802)
Ah yep, thank you for the refresher. It’s been awhile since I’ve thought about this. The point still stands!
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by kcarter80 on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:34PM (#30068054)
I'm not sure it does. Merlot isn't even the primary varietal in that wine.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by plugger on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @04:32AM (#30069976)
In the book it was Petrus which is 100% Merlot. They approached the chateau to see if they'd green light the use of Petrus as his unicorn bottle. The chateau refused, and they instead landed on Cheval Blanc.

I've always been left wondering if the "I am not drinking any fucking Merlot" line was a direct result of the snub by Petrus.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by sanedigital on Tuesday January 25, 2022 @08:05AM (#30071312)
In most years it’s at least 40% of the blend. If you’re saving a wine that’s 40% Merlot and you hate Merlot, that’s on you.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by tptacek on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:54PM (#30067764)
He's drinking a Cheval Blanc in the burger joint at the end, which is a Bordeaux Cab Franc/Merlot blend.
Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by vatys on Monday January 24, 2022 @11:26PM (#30067992)
The burger joint was in real life “Orcutt Burgers” in Santa Maria. At the time the movie came out, I often visited a friend who lived a block from there, and we ate there regularly. It was a trip to see the movie with him and instantly recognize the restaurant in that scene.

By now the place has probably changed name or owners. It was a pretty good local flavor burger joint at the time.

Re:A “Sideways” supply response in California winegrapes by steelstraw on Monday January 24, 2022 @10:48PM (#30067713)
Wow. Good example of how easily context can get lost, even without confirmation bias. Also how important context is to meaning.