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Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by beebmam on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @10:51PM (#28860022)
There's a whole fraud economy that has emerged in the last decade or so. Its existence has done deep harm to social trust, in my opinion. It extends far beyond just fake reviews of course; it reaches deep into the corrupt business practices and politicians/governments around the world.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ekianjo on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @10:59PM (#28860058)
How do you know reviews were more reliable before ? In pretty much all industries people were hacking reviews before especially when channels were more limited. Nobody invented fraud yesterday.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by zipiridu on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:18PM (#28860171)
The "fraud economy" was democratized in the last decade but it has always existed. Previously you needed to be rich, powerful, and well connected to have media companies cover your business/product. Now you can buy fake engagement, reviews, upvotes, etc with a few click so everyone does it. If you don't do it you will be outcompeted by the ones who do. I've experienced this myself. I tried buying ads and writing organic posts but got little traffic on a site I wanted to promote. Then I decided to spend a few hundred dollars on fake upvotes and my ROI was easily 20x better than on ads. I had to be a bit more careful so it wasn't too obvious but I learned that these dark patterns work. I've heard of similar tactics used by unicorn startups in their early stages at much larger scale. The reviews weren't trustworthy before either, it's just more obvious now.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lifeisstillgood on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:39AM (#28861526)
>>> The "fraud economy" was democratized in the last decade but it has always existed. Previously you needed to be rich, powerful, and well connected to have media companies cover your business/product. Now you can buy fake engagement, reviews, upvotes, etc with a few click so everyone does it.

Yes. And this is a pattern we are seeing all over - thank you. It's it necessarily good or bad. just more open, democratic, cheaper.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by evgen on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:58AM (#28861613)
The fact that it was previously restricted to only monied interests means that it was relatively rare in the past. Yes, there were the magazines and floating 'reviewers' who everyone learned were shills for whatever company was paying them for a good review, but the bulk of the reviews were earnestly trying to live up to consumer expectations for such reviews. Once things became more 'democratic' and cheaper we saw the review version of Gresham's Law at work -- fraudulent reviews flooded out sincere ones and the system has mostly because useless for its intended purpose, it is now just another marketing channel.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by drran on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:53AM (#28863075)
It's the problem. We need a spam filter for reviews. Let's create a startup and fake it growth with fake reviews. «Fake it, until you make it.»
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ClumsyPilot on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:23AM (#28862868)
"It's it necessarily good or bad. just more open, democratic, cheaper"

Thats not like a sensible rule of thumb. If we 'democratise' landmines, it would be clearly bad. This is similar

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lifeisstillgood on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:05AM (#28863704)
I get what you mean, but honestly, fake reviews != landmines.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by batty_alex on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:41AM (#28862569)
The system is broken and everyone needs to cheat to participate. That’s bad - not some amoral democratized system
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by Scoundreller on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:28AM (#28860799)
What I find funny is when some multibillion company buys tens of thousands of followers on Twitter, but each post gets like 1 like or 1 comment. Like, hello!!!!!

But maybe it's because of FTC rules: fake followers are legally okay, but fake likes and fake comments could be considered a fake review and therefore FTC violation.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by thow-58d4e8b on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:44AM (#28860874)
Another giveaway is accounts posting multi-sentence comments or reviews within seconds of their previous submissions. How can this get past bot checks is beyond me
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by kabes on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:59AM (#28860950)
For the same reason that on facebook I still get daily friend requests from very sexy women with a brand new profile, 4 friends total, none in common, in a random location in the world with 1 post linking to some dating site. It's because they just don't care. Well, either that or facebook engineers are completely incompetent.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by bigiain on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:42AM (#28861214)
> Well, either that or facebook engineers are completely incompetent.

Or they're making bank on dating site affiliate fees as a side hustle...

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by 3np on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:00AM (#28861311)
They don’t need to. The increased time you spend in the site as a consequence is enough of an upside to look the other way.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by disgruntledphd2 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:35AM (#28862945)
This really isn't true. Remember that FB has many, many users and (presumably) many, many scammers, so one would expect to see lots of scams.

I too get those (messages lately) friend requests, and almost always by the time I read the message the account has been deactivated (when it says FB user).

So, overall, I think they're doing a reasonably good job on this particular problem.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by kabes on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:22AM (#28863883)
My experience is different. I have many times reported a profile like this. Exactly as described above, a child can see it's a scam account. And then a couple of days later got message that after review the profile doesn't violate the community standards.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by disgruntledphd2 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:13AM (#28865427)
really? That's very odd (not that their reporting system sucks, it definitely does), but that you need to report it.

Interesting that we have such different experiences, I wonder why that is. (remember that on FB, a 1 in a million event occurs approximately 3k times per day).

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by Scoundreller on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:52AM (#28860911)
The social networks don't mind the bots if it leads to engagement. Their "anti-bot" policy is a joke. They know who the bots are. They only ban the ones that are anti-engagement (which they can also determine).
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by shrikant on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:42AM (#28862155)
Absolutely this.

Just a couple of days back, something had been bothering me about some new-ish commenters I'd encountered on Reddit, so I did an unscientific check. I realised that about a year or so back, Reddit quietly made it so that when you create an account, they autosuggest a username of the form "Word1-Word2-Number" or "Word1Word2Number", making it hard to tell apart from automated bot/astroturf accounts.

(Try it out -- look at the profiles of any account you encounter that has the above form, and they've been created pretty much always on/after October 2020)

My conspiracy theory is that this was a growth marketing hack to muddy the obvious differences between regular people accounts and bots/spammers.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by nprateem on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:32AM (#28860542)
A friend was wondering where you learnt about this stuff?
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by mkhpalm on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:21PM (#28860186)
One example I can remember from 10+ years ago was newegg. I don't recall ever really feeling like I got "duped" based on the many online reviews there. I think that sentiment was pretty well revered and not just my personal opinions of it. Everything was pretty well spot on from my experiences. That said, I have no idea how that would fair these days.

I'll even go so far as to say back when Amazon was getting started their reviews were a lot more reliable as well.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by makeitdouble on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:52AM (#28860637)
It should be pointed out that current fake review issues are not just on fraudulent products.

For instance Aukey has been caught by Amazon, but in my experience their products were pretty good, and they probably played the fake review game mainly due to everyone else playing it, and it became an arms race.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by qaq on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:41AM (#28860856)
The cynical take Aukey was taken out because they had good products and good reputation in a high margin category that Amazon wanted for their house brand to play a bigger role in.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by jonathankoren on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:03AM (#28860979)
I would have called this conspiracy territory, but then it broke that Amazon was doing exactly that in India.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/amazon-i...

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by KajMagnus on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:20AM (#28861429)
Does this indicate that by not fixing the fake reviews problem, Amazon can, whenever it wants, get rid of a troublesome competitor?

(since the competitors are sort of forced to use fake reviews)

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by makeitdouble on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:23AM (#28861756)
I guess it's double bound:

- they can really fix it (e.g. by kicking every fake review mandator) and drown competiting products far below in the search results, leaving "Amazon's choice" ones at the top.

With way fewer reviews it will be harder to argue the ranking results legitimacy.

- they don't fix it, and as you say, get an excuse to kick any random brand trying to stay afloat on their platform.

Either way Amazon wins.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by naim08 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:33AM (#28862112)
"Amazon's Choice" are also littered with fake reviews. WSJ did a story on this and looked at hundreds of "[AC]" listings and found majority of listings had fake reviews; many of the fake reviews being the top reviews.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by HPsquared on Thursday October 14, 2021 @04:20AM (#28861738)
It's selective enforcement, in a different context.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_enforcement

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by KajMagnus on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:45PM (#28867502)
Thanks, interesting reading, and some from there linked topics as well
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by blfr on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:36AM (#28861513)
I would have called this conspiracy territory

It is a conspiracy theory. Some of them are just true.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by jonathankoren on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:14AM (#28865430)
Touché
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lepouet on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:43AM (#28862582)
Today i was looking for a nice gan usb c charger, surprise, an AmazonBasics charger was one of the first result and the only recognizable brand.

And the first, promoted, comment/ratings is from a guy who received the product for free in exchange for a review.

https://www.amazon.fr/AmazonBasics-One-Port-Charger-Tablets-...

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by MomoXenosaga on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:24AM (#28862434)
The whole advertising industry is an arms race.

Unless your product is so revolutionary or cheap you're gonna need marketing.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by hodgesrm on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:43PM (#28860287)
Newegg reviews were pretty good--they steered me away from a lot of noisy gear when building servers. That kind of feedback does not exist in the specs.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by TedDoesntTalk on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:43PM (#28860285)
Ebay seller reviews have been fraudulent for 20 years or more (not ALL reviews, of course).

And i think you are talking about the times before NewEgg had 3rd party sellers.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by foota on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:55PM (#28860347)
Honestly, I think 3rd party sellers are half the problem. Eliminating them won't fix everything though, since there are sites where the 1st party itself is dishonest (e.g., yelp), but if you trust the site and it is all 1st party then you're in a good state for reviews, since there's little incentive for anyone to fake them.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by DavidPeiffer on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:18AM (#28862394)
>Honestly, I think 3rd party sellers are half the problem.

Totally agree. Right now there's a spread from anyone can review anything (yelp, Google reviews) to purchase required to review. What if only 1 out of 20 purchases, selected randomly, were allowed to place a review?

Single person review shops become easier to spot - they are suddenly ordering way more than typical. Returns might skyrocket, which is expensive for everyone involved, however there's now another signal available to spot odd patterns of behavior.

Inclusion of a restocking fee, which is obviously not popular with consumers, is another option which would help make it more expensive to fake reviews.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by kube-system on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:55AM (#28860927)
Manufacturers or importers/distributors would still have incentive to fake them.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lotsofpulp on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:00AM (#28861952)
There would be far fewer of them, and the consequences may not be worth it. That is why trust in a Target or Costco vetted vendor is higher than a small time seller named “eBizValue”.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by smashed on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:46PM (#28860301)
A++++++
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by tw04 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:36PM (#28860247)
I think you mean duped?
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by mkhpalm on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:05AM (#28860402)
Ah yeah... typo I guess
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ghaff on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:14PM (#28860147)
Reviews were more "expert"-based 20 years or so again in magazines that had some editorial oversight and processes for selecting and reviewing products.

Of course, there were far fewer reviews available, companies still gamed reviewers/magazines but in different ways, and there was sometimes outright fraud around benchmarks, etc.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lazide on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:16PM (#28860165)
A huge portion of those reviews were payola, plain and simple. If a reviewer didn’t provide at least a somewhat positive review (even for complete dreck), they were often blacklisted.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by oceanghost on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:59PM (#28860369)
Can confirm.

In an industry I was in, the trade publication gave the "product of the year" award to whoever bought the most advertisements in the magazine.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by Scoundreller on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:32AM (#28860827)
I think that's true of all trade rags, as well as any top X under/over Y pubs.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by oceanghost on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:14AM (#28885496)
I think so too. My brilliantly satirical boss at the time, called the team to attention and said something to the effect of:

(holding up the magazine cover) "I'd like to thank you for creating X magazine's product of the year!"

>he paused for a moment<

"Which is awarded to the highest ad-spend of the magazine for the year."

Absolute comedy, and a wonderfully satirical human being.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by tw04 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:37PM (#28860260)
Blacklisted how? 20 years ago consumer reports was considered a trusted source and they purchased everything they reviewed. How are you going to blacklist someone from going to the store and buying your product?
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by kube-system on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:00AM (#28860956)
CR is the exception, and that’s why they charge their subscribers a lot of money.

The vast majority of publications fund “reviews” in different ways.

Some publications you can pay to have your product “featured” in.

In some others, companies give a reviewer who has a reputation for favorable reviews free products. The unspoken expectation is that the reviews will drive sales and that the free product (and free content) train keeps going.

And yet others have serious conflicts of interest with their supporting advertisers.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by techrat on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:48AM (#28860616)
Consumer Reports buys the products they review. They can't be blacklisted if they're not relying on the manufacturer to send them a free demo/item.

(Youtube/Blog) Reviewers get blacklisted by companies by not providing a positive review about a product they were given. As they rely on scooping type style reviews, this means they not only don't get a free product to review, but they can't review it until after it's for sale instead of being able to 'preview' it for people and get more clicks that way.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by Scoundreller on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:31AM (#28860822)
Only problem is that CR then needs to wait until release day to start its review. While the corrupt get advance copies to review that get released in advance, or are embargoed until release day, but still, will get published way before CR can publish a proper review.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by saalweachter on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:50AM (#28863047)
Honestly "don't buy stuff right after it comes out" is one of the simplest things you can do as a consumer to not buy a lot of lemons, even if you don't read Consumer Reports.

The "gotta have everything day one (or earlier!) to be cool!" is the most successful piece of meta-marketing imaginable.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by josefx on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:45AM (#28861230)
A lot of reviewers try to be relevant by reviewing new things before they hit the market. That makes the manufacturer the only source of the product and the manufacturers have no reason to provide early access to people writing bad reviews and writing a review a month after everyone else just doesn't attract nearly as much attention.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by pyuser583 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:26AM (#28860518)
Was? The 10 bucks/month I pay for consumer reports is the best money I spend on a subscription!

They’re still quite strong.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by plorkyeran on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:14AM (#28860459)
CR was notable and trusted specifically because they were the only ones in the industry who did that.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by astura on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:25AM (#28860784)
Consumer Reports was (and still is!) so trusted because it is the one publication that lacks the usual conflicts of interest that every other publication has.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ytpete on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:21AM (#28861091)
The Wirecutter (now part of NY Times) is another that doesn't accept freebie products, if I recall.

They do use affiliate links, so they have incentive to want you to buy _something_, but no incentive to give any particular brand or model a biased review.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by sgerenser on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:49AM (#28862625)
Except when they drop a product from their recommended list when they don’t want to participate in an affiliate program: https://www.xdesk.com/wirecutter-standing-desk-review-pay-to...
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by acheron on Thursday October 14, 2021 @10:36AM (#28864860)
I still can't believe people actually click on affiliate/tracking links. I get things based on Wirecutter reviews occasionally, but I always go to the product separately so it's not tracked.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by astura on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:42AM (#28862991)
YMMV but "review site with referral links" is a category of site I very much wish to avoid.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lazide on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:34PM (#28872874)
As long as it's a generic referral program (Amazon?) in general I find it at least somewhat ok - I can see how they're getting paid, and I can assume (maybe?) they aren't getting a special kickback to sell that particular product over another one at Amazon or whatever.

When it's seller specific affiliate programs? It's all just spam basically.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ratww on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:00AM (#28862268)
I have friends who used to be in the music instrument journalism industry, and the common approach was to only review what they liked.

They got a guitar or synth that was bad? They would just tell the manufacturer they would rather not say something bad.

Of course, after a while readers started asking questions, so the answer was to review products from companies not advertising in the magazines.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lazide on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:29PM (#28872831)
It seems like this is a recipe for being hungry. The only products they reviewed were products that no one advertised in their magazine?
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ratww on Friday October 15, 2021 @09:46AM (#28877635)
No, no, let me rephrase: they would give good reviews to everyone that gave them free stuff that was good.

Customers asked "why aren't there any review saying a product is bad", so they started doing that with products whose manufacturers didn't advertise there or didn't give free stuff for review. They'd borrow, or buy a few Danelectro or Behringer pedals for $30 dollars just to make a bad review and "save face" to readers.

Basically they got "token bad products" to save face.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lazide on Friday October 15, 2021 @10:49AM (#28878284)
Wow, that’s pretty good hah! (Well, in a misleading the consumer but quite clever way anyway)

A decade plus ago I worked alongside a team of writers, and they always kept alcohol in their desks. I totally understand why now.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ratww on Saturday October 16, 2021 @09:26PM (#28893162)
Oh, that's amazing, haha!

You definitely need a bottle for when you get some terrible product and you know the manufacturer won't like that it won't get reviewed.

Funny enough, the situation is even worse now: with YouTube reviewers, there's no more expectation of neutrality as with professional journalists in the past. So all quality reviews are praising products.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by ekianjo on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:04AM (#28860697)
> in magazines that had some editorial oversight

such magazines had massive conflicts of interest and could not be trusted in the first place.

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by MrStonedOne on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:11PM (#28860123)
before, people got reviews from friends and personal connections, not a sidebar on google maps.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by lotsofpulp on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:03AM (#28861961)
People still get that. They just also get reviews from others online. Forums have been invaluable to me for finding out information about niche fields where I do not have a person familiar with that in my social circles.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by OneTimePetes on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:11AM (#28862003)
It was based upon a tree of trust. And at least there was a synthetic consensus everyone agreed upon. Everyone was misled by state media, but now people switch from one tree of trust to another, depending on predictive power, which leads into conspiracy trees, because they always predict the worst outcome. A clock that screams doom all day long, will never betray you.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by simonh on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:23AM (#28862062)
Youre right that I can't be sure at a macro level, but I personally found Amazon reviews more useful and accurate relative to the things I actually bought a decade ago than I do now.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by joebob42 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:12AM (#28860445)
I think it existed before, controlled by larger parties (media etc, professional reviewers and critics). With the rise of the internet, there was a brief period where anyone could share their opinion with you, and sellers hadnt figured it out yet. Now they mostly have and we're back where we were or worse.
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by victor9000 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:52AM (#28860909)
Could you be more specific?
Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by paul7986 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:25PM (#28860205)
Don't forget all media especially political and world news media!

Zero trust in any of those reality TV outlets.

I mean there are tons of resources and sites now to fact check the media (whether that's the media themselves like USA Today's fact checking section to non-profits), which is ridiculous if such resources are needed to constantly check what's true or not. Thus, i've tuned out and not a fan of people who plug themselves into their media machine of choice and live/die by it. They do not think for themselves rather their idiot media machine controls them!

Re:FTC Puts Hundreds of Businesses on Notice about Fake Reviews by throwaway6EQUJ5 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @03:46AM (#28861556)
>They do not think for themselves rather their idiot media machine controls them!

Everyone ultimately has to rely on authorities about subjects. From parents to scientist. It's a dilemma, you can't know/research everything your self but you also shouldn't trust blindy everything you get told, so there is no final solution.

The only thing you can do is never stop questioning, falsify everything, don't deem anything above it as sacred. This way, you will collect a shifting world view from all sources.

If you don't engage with your news channels, if you don't question in a meaningful way, if you discredit whole groups of outlets just by virtue, you have surrendered.